Keepers of the Flame, a Friends Page for the Great Peace March
   

WELCOME TO THE GREAT PEACE MARCH GUESTBOOK PAGE

where the stars come out to play!


Name:dean gamache
Email:gamafoo{at}yahoo.com
HomePage:http://
Comments:Many of you wont remember me since i was only there for the begining where i helped set up some of the communications for the march. I wish i would have stayed but i couldnt. Any way i hope to reconnect with anyone that wants to.
May 2, 2016 00:45:17 (GMT Time)



Name:JuliaZ
Email:juliaz{at}gmail.com
HomePage:http://www.gpmreunion.org
Comments:Just seeing if this page still works, and if it goes anywhere. It has not been updated in a loooooong time! See you in Iowa in June!!
February 10, 2016 19:55:03 (GMT Time)



Name:Chad Jaeger
Email:chadjaeger{at}hotmail.com
HomePage:http://
Comments:My name is Chad and JERRY CONNER was my father. I was born in August 1966 and was placed for adoption by my birth mother against Jerrys wishes. I have only just found him and his family. I am so proud of him from what I know of him and if anyone has memories of Jerry that they can share, I would so love to hear from them.
October 25, 2015 23:46:32 (GMT Time)



Name:Mike
Email:wackalectic{at}gmail.com
HomePage:http://
Comments:Hi I wonder in there is a way to find a woman I met in DC at the end of the march. She was tabling - at Dupont Circle I believe - as the march arrived in DC. We hung out for a few days. I was working with greenpeace at the time. I don't remember her name! - uhg. So I am thinking there is no chance. She was a writer, as so many on the march were. She wrote poetry and some erotic short stories. Anyhow, just wondering whether there might be some type of archive of marcher profiles somewhere online I could browse. Such an amazing time and so many incredible people. Peace - Mike
December 30, 2014 17:45:30 (GMT Time)



Name:Daniel Summer
Email:danielvsummer{at}gmail.com
HomePage:https://www.facebook.com/daniel.summer
Comments:I walked every step of the way. It was nice to stumble across this site. I hope everyone is doing well.
December 17, 2014 20:14:36 (GMT Time)



Name:Meaghan
Email:meaghan.oneill{at}longbeach.gov
HomePage:http://
Comments:Greetings I am looking to contact anyone who might have information about Cynthia Carlson and her surviving family members. After her tragic death during the march her family had a tree planted at my nature center in long beach ca in her memory with a plaque. We have construction starting and we would like to move the plaque and plant another tree but would like to notify the family if possible. Any information would be great. Thank you.
November 12, 2014 20:21:54 (GMT Time)



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Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Still get goosebumps when I see pictures of the march. Anyone organizing a 30 year reunion.
August 2, 2014 09:42:16 (GMT Time)



Name:Jack
Email:kaimana{at}stringcheeseincident.com
HomePage:http://
Comments:Surfs UP !! Ala Moana ! They just couldn't keep Hawaii 5-0 off the air......dad da da da duh...sending much aloha and peace to all... Kaimana
February 7, 2014 01:58:23 (GMT Time)



Name:Isabelle Kessler
Email:ilkessler{at}msn.com
HomePage:http://
Comments:Doing some research and cannot remember the beginning road/route out of Griffith Park. Our first day walking. Anyone remember this?
February 1, 2014 20:45:19 (GMT Time)



Name:Jim Brown
Email:f1jim{at}yahoo.com
HomePage:http://
Comments:I recently purchased one of the blue North Face tents from the march with the names Fran and Bob still on the peace march patch on the tent. Any ideas as to who Bob & Fran were? Would loive to connect with them. Thanks Jim
October 16, 2013 22:02:56 (GMT Time)



Name:Lynn R
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Hi gang, I rarely come to this website, and I do not desire to Facebook yet, but I thought it was worth mentioning that dear friend Mim will turn 95 on November 3rd, 2013. We talk on the phone once a month, and she is well and happy.
October 14, 2013 12:08:41 (GMT Time)



Name:Rich Sickler
Email:
HomePage:http://https://www.facebook.com/rich.sickler2
Comments:I'm glad too.
September 18, 2013 02:31:46 (GMT Time)



Name:Ted Thomas
Email:tedbike3000{at}comcast.net
HomePage:http://
Comments:Checking in, glad this resource is still around.
September 15, 2013 07:08:26 (GMT Time)



Name:John Abbe
Email:johnca{at}ourpla.net
HomePage:http://climatemarch.org/
Comments:Thanks for hosting the site, and spreading the stories and lessons learned from the march. The march inspired so much, including a planned 2014 march to inspire action on our changing climate. http://climatemarch.org/
July 2, 2013 19:22:25 (GMT Time)



Name:Rich Sickler
Email:
HomePage:https://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/groups/greatpeacemarch/
Comments:Link above is for the GPM facebook page.
June 18, 2013 13:15:14 (GMT Time)



Name:Joe
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:This site was infected by a virus that most likely hit the server. We meaning my computer guy with my support have cleaned that up and the site should be fully functional again. I have also re-upped for another year.
March 29, 2013 18:10:33 (GMT Time)



Name:Joe
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:This is a test.
March 29, 2013 14:55:14 (GMT Time)



Name:kathy poobah reutlinger
Email:krpoobah2{at}hotmail.com
HomePage:http://
Comments:hi-responding to the "test" from joe-i have been wondering about this page lately,too! and hey to kyra(!),from your old babysitter! wassup,yall!
March 29, 2013 10:52:39 (GMT Time)



Name:Joe Kinczel
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:This is a test of the page.
March 28, 2013 19:54:15 (GMT Time)



Name:Kyra
Email:kyrvlyn{at}facebook.com
HomePage:
Comments:Hi, my name’s Kyra. I’m 20 years old, and I’m a Great Peace March baby. I wasn’t conceived during the march, but that’s where my parents met and I remember attending the 1996 reunion. Thank you for marching. You are all truly inspiring! So... Great Peace March 2.0? Can that be a thing?? <3 & Light
January 3, 2013 19:42:09 (GMT Time)



Name:Kyra
Email:kyrvlyn{at}facebook.com
HomePage:
Comments:Hi, my name’s Kyra. I’m 20 years old, and I’m a Great Peace March baby. I wasn’t conceived during the march, but that’s where my parents met and I remember attending the 1996 reunion. Thank you for marching. You are all truly inspiring! So... Great Peace March 2.0? Can that be a thing?? <3 & Light
January 3, 2013 19:41:48 (GMT Time)



Name:James Knight
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:I looked at your post today, Rich. I tried to "like" it...
December 19, 2012 17:16:41 (GMT Time)



Name:Rich Sickler
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:I looked at this page today.
December 7, 2012 05:04:13 (GMT Time)



Name:dale porter
Email:dalaf123{at}att.net
HomePage:http://
Comments:i would like to communicate with any marchers who would care to do so. be well, peace. dp
July 18, 2012 10:44:20 (GMT Time)



Name:Joe
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:I too loved Sadnah and will miss her.
July 1, 2012 14:20:22 (GMT Time)



Name:Lori
Email:lshields.slc{at}gmail.com
HomePage:http://
Comments:I loved Sadnah. Who told you? Last I heard she was in Mexico to do art. She used to pick a spot and dance in a circle looking very sexy! I think she called it her Buffalo Woman dance. (Or maybe I called it that.) She was a beautiful woman!
June 30, 2012 00:12:39 (GMT Time)



Name:Drew Roots
Email:rootsbodywork{at}myabmp.com
HomePage:http://
Comments:I was just informed that Sadnah L. has passed on. I do not know the exact date, but about five to nine days ago from today, June 16th, 2012. She was a good friend to me on the GPM and helped me many times. Her Spirit and enthusiasm helped keep the March going. Send her your prayers and blessings, and pass this on to others. If you are on Facebook please pass this on!
June 16, 2012 21:36:53 (GMT Time)



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Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Did anyone go to the peace march reunion April 6-9? If So how was it? Do tell.
April 16, 2012 07:38:36 (GMT Time)



Name:Rich Sickler
Email:
HomePage:http://www.facebook.com/groups/greatpeacemarch/#!/events/194110370654852/
Comments: Peace Camp Reunion April-6-9 2012 We will definately want or need firewood at this shindig, bring it if you can and any vegas folks or anyone going to the test site before april. could you take wood out to the peace camp or stash it in vegas until april? All who sit by the fire light will thank you. http://www.facebook.com/groups/greatpeacemarch/#!/events/194110370654852/
January 9, 2012 01:03:56 (GMT Time)



Name:Marc
Email:
HomePage:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthright_citizenship_in_the_United_States
Comments:Lots of ways to be born a citizen of the U.S., Shanawa. Being born in the U.S. is one way. (Obama qualifies) Having at least one parent who is a U.S. citizen and has lived in the U.S. for a total of at least 5 years is another way. (Obama qualifies) There are other circumstances as well that entitle someone to be deemed a citizen by birth.
December 14, 2011 08:41:13 (GMT Time)



Name:Ted T.
Email:
HomePage:http://www.gunblast.com/081208-Newsmax.htm
Comments:The above is my source...one of those "We hate Obama" gun sites that I browse now and then (right wing, but good reviews). So this is definately not from the leftist media.
December 5, 2011 01:41:25 (GMT Time)



Name:Ted T.
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Based on a 1875 Supreme Court ruling, why not include that little tidbit Shanawa?...How these TeaBaggers, racists, and crackpots can keep going with this bullshit is amazing....and you! I can't tell if it's malice or stupidity that keeps you posting these obvious, and disproven lies and rumors. Normally I refrain from commenting on your post, but mainly because I'd spend most of my reply commenting on your poor spelling and grammer mistakes. Obama is a citizen, you know it, your TeaBag friends know it.....but you keep it up because you know that yelling the racist epithets you'd like to isn't accepted anymore. Just stop it!
December 4, 2011 23:05:42 (GMT Time)



Name:Shanawa
Email:
HomePage:
Comments:Hello Verna and Jim, Glad to see you here. I have not been a part of Occupy but a few of the GPM marchers are. You can check out our facebook page. That will show you who is and who is not for this between us.
December 3, 2011 23:55:19 (GMT Time)



Name:Shanawa
Email:
HomePage:
Comments: “Natural Born Citizen” was defined as children born of two U.S. citizens – regardless of the location of the birth. It found: “The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also.”
December 3, 2011 23:50:59 (GMT Time)



Name:Shanawa
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:The United States Supreme Court has ruled that Obama is ineligible to serve as President. The Liberty Legal Foundation has filed not 1 but 2 lawsuits Both lawsuits, and the Liberty Legal Foundation promises there will be more, would render it impossible for the Democratic National Committee to place Obama’s name on the 2012 ballot. Back in 1875, the United States Supreme Court, in Minor v, Happersett, ruled that:
December 3, 2011 23:49:25 (GMT Time)



Name:Verna and Jim
Email:vernawicks{at}att.net,jimburke_8@hotmail.com
HomePage:http://
Comments:Learning much more, everyday, about the "Occupy." I would be interested to learn who among you are now involved with Occupy as well. I can see this has migrated and evolved into a "global" major awareness that is now being addressed (at last!). Please let us hear from you. Thank you and shalom, Verna
November 19, 2011 14:51:36 (GMT Time)



Name:Verna and Jim
Email:vernawicks{at}att.net,jimburke_8@hotmail.com
HomePage:http://
Comments:Season's greetings and love to all. Verna and Jim
November 16, 2011 11:54:03 (GMT Time)



Name:Verna and Jim
Email:vernawicks{at}att.net,jimburke_8@hotmail.com
HomePage:http://
Comments: Jim and I wanted to say "Hi" to everyone. Sending all our warmest love and best wishes over the holiday season. Love, Verna and Jim 11/14/11
November 14, 2011 14:35:26 (GMT Time)



Name:Shanawa
Email:
HomePage:
Comments:Great and wonderful news today, something for us all to celebrate. The US's most powerful nuclear bomb is being disassemble. The B53, a weapon hundreds of times stronger than the bomb dropped on Hiroshima — is being disassembled nearly half a century after it was put into service at the height of the Cold War.
October 25, 2011 18:27:39 (GMT Time)



Name:Ted T.
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Jack took probation...I did 90 days federal prison for NTS and then 120 state halfway house for Peace Camp...there was a whole bunch of mess around APT/Greenpeace '91 that had me not returning to Vegas 'til 2001, and then only by accident.
October 12, 2011 23:36:45 (GMT Time)



Name:Naneki
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Ted, you can eat chips and salsa in the tunnels while I paint. I would love for Jack to be there to re paint PELE. Hope to see ya there!
October 12, 2011 16:10:51 (GMT Time)



Name:Joe
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Ted, you were arrested at the NTS right? Didn't you and Jack spend months in jail in about 1990 over that? Is that what you refer to?
October 10, 2011 14:18:29 (GMT Time)



Name:Ted T.
Email:tdthomas16{at}aol.com
HomePage:http://
Comments:Go back and forth on a NTS/Peace Camp reunion......have so much love for my peace family...and so much pain from the APT/Greenpeace actions. Some of you I love, and a person or two I quite frankly don't trust/hate... my soul is conflicted and I wonder if I could let myself be free to celebrate the good and not be overwhelmed by the bad. Clarification....Rich, thank you for helping me center myself and realize some of what I had to do...If I attend, we'll sit in the tunnel with chips and salsa....
October 7, 2011 06:56:36 (GMT Time)



Name:James
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:I reform nearly every cell in my body every six weeks whether they need it or not.
October 5, 2011 19:32:22 (GMT Time)



Name:Naneki
Email:seeya{at} the revolution
HomePage:http://
Comments:The Reformist a new suspense thriller...feel the hype!
October 5, 2011 16:05:45 (GMT Time)



Name:Joe
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:I am so reformed that I am almost born again - but not quite.
October 4, 2011 22:51:14 (GMT Time)



Name:Rich Sickler
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:I't's all hype.
October 2, 2011 12:44:44 (GMT Time)



Name:James
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:I've reformed more than Joe has reformed.
September 30, 2011 21:46:58 (GMT Time)



Name:Joe
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:No, I've reformed.
September 29, 2011 00:16:06 (GMT Time)



Name:James
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:I've reformed.
September 28, 2011 16:32:37 (GMT Time)



Name:Naneki
Email:whereru{at}?
HomePage:http://
Comments:oh how sad that nobody comes around here no more..where is everybody? Is anybody seriously considering going to the Peace Camp reunion or is it all hype? James Knight, I think we need your inappropriate humor here!
September 26, 2011 21:13:30 (GMT Time)



Name:Lori
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Hey Rich, I know where the test site is, (Thanks Naneki) and I agree with Naneki, thanks for thinking of the test site for a reunion!
September 7, 2011 20:39:34 (GMT Time)



Name:Naneki
Email:me{at}peace camp
HomePage:http://
Comments:Hey Rich, Thanks for starting the ball rolling for a peace camp reunion at The Nevada Test Site...ah the memories. For years after the Peace March and walking to Ground Zero, I returned to the front gate and wove Ginny Dean and Liz Mareck's names into the fence. Also hiked in and planted a prayer pole as well as going under the fence and doing ritual with Corbin. I hope Jack and Ted will be interested in attending as well. The tunnels need new paint..
September 6, 2011 21:29:26 (GMT Time)



Name:Lori Shields
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Lori Shields
September 6, 2011 03:06:05 (GMT Time)



Name:Rich Sickler
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:I meant to ask you, which Lori are you.
September 3, 2011 02:49:34 (GMT Time)



Name:Lori
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Thanks for the information Rich. I have not friended anyone on FB. I don;t want FB tracking all my connections. I don't know why I am so suspicious. Also, I already waste enough time in front of my computer as is. Perhaps I'll see you in Nevada but I am guessing my family will not want to participate in a GPM think so soon. Where is it located? Like near what airport or town? (If it's near something, or on the way to somewhere, my family is more likely to be interested.)
August 31, 2011 11:52:09 (GMT Time)



Name:rich sickler
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments: The basics: April 6-8 2012 at the peace camp,but come early and stay late. Myself and 3 people have responded yes. Judith Brosius,Greg Zolad, and Stephane Luccini It's set up as a private event, i guess you have to be a friend or in the peace camp nevada group or be invited. I just didn't want to put it out there to the world. That can change. But i say everybody invite everybody. I'm done organizng this thing except maintaining the event page. great idea lori about mass email we have to get the word out some way besides facebook. I'll post updates here,but just show up and bring something to share. I guess with this post it's out there now. Friend me on facebook for in invite for now. More to follow
August 27, 2011 22:18:42 (GMT Time)



Name:lori
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:I write to you as a pretty illiterate computer user. I could not access the information that was posted on facebook Rich. Can you post the information here on this sight? Or tell me how to get to the facebook sight again? Or have Frank do a mass emailing of the information to all the email addresses he has collected? PS Spent a whole week at the reunion and did not get to talk to enough folks on any meaningful level. It was great to see you though!
August 25, 2011 22:01:57 (GMT Time)



Name:rich sicker
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:there will be a peace camp nevada test site reunion 4/6/12 info on facebook.
August 25, 2011 12:40:49 (GMT Time)



Name:rich sicker
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:there will be a peace camp nevada test site reunion 4/6/12 info on facebook.
August 25, 2011 12:40:17 (GMT Time)



Name:Lori
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Hi Gene, I am sorry you could not make it to the reunion. But YES there will be more reunions! It is difficult to say with certainty at this time but there are plans in the works for Zion National Park in 2 to 3 years, and Cleveland area in 5 years. I really hope you are successful in you fight against local injustice!
August 18, 2011 14:14:21 (GMT Time)



Name:Gene
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Ah, yes! I remember the chess games we played in D.C. when we organized the Soviet Walk. I even beat Allan Affeldt one time.
August 7, 2011 00:02:20 (GMT Time)



Name:Joe
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:By the way Gene, I am looking forward to playing chess with Mike Tisserand and Marc Polonsky at the campsite today.
August 6, 2011 15:04:22 (GMT Time)



Name:Laura M
Email:astrangeplacecalledhome{at}yahoo.com
HomePage:http://astrangeplacecalledhome.blogspot.com/2010/11/chapter-twenty-one-fifth-root-race.html
Comments:Twenty-five years ago this week, I returned to Iowa for an unusual, musical marcher-in-the-home. The resulting offspring was the lullaby that's posted at the end of the chapter. In the meantime, the main march found its way into Chicago.
August 6, 2011 07:04:55 (GMT Time)



Name:Gene
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Thanks to you, Joe, another beautiful guy! I can only wish everyone a fabulous time and hope that this will not be our last reunion.
August 5, 2011 16:21:31 (GMT Time)



Name:Joe
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Gene, there are so many GPMers and IPWers here - what a loss for everyone that you will not be coming. Hope that the political struggle you are involved with goes the way you want. I will miss seeing you.
August 5, 2011 13:30:29 (GMT Time)



Name:Gene
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:James - I knew you would be the first to write me on this page. You're a beautiful guy! David Pettee wrote to me on Facebook.
August 3, 2011 05:13:08 (GMT Time)



Name:James
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:I'm saddened, Gene, you will be missed. I wish you the best in fighting the good fight.
August 2, 2011 15:54:06 (GMT Time)



Name:Gene
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Dear Marchers: This is difficult to say, but I (and June) will not be coming to the 25th Anniversary Reunion. How could I miss this major event? I have attended so many other reunions, why would I miss this one? Especially since I still consider the Peace March the biggest and best thing in my life, the greatest adventure. There are many reasons, but mostly we must attend a critical meeting of a group here at our community, a revolutionary group fighting to overthrow 45 years of tyranny in Rossmoor. This is a very big story. Suffice it to say here that June and I are in the fight of our lives in this, against some very powerful people, very reactionary people, the same kind who took over Wisconsin and other places. I send my warmest greetings to my Peace March Family. Please know that I identify wholly with the GPM, cherish it in my heart, and love the people associated with it. I can hardly imagine this reunion without me, but there you have it: I cannot come. I am truly sorry.
August 2, 2011 15:42:02 (GMT Time)



Name:James
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Laura, I so love your writing but I simply can't read on the computer. Printing it out seems like piracy. I want to buy the audio-book, with you reading!
August 1, 2011 16:29:21 (GMT Time)



Name:Laura M
Email:astrangeplacecalledhome{at}yahoo.com
HomePage:http://astrangeplacecalledhome.blogspot.com/2010/11/chapter-twenty-love-day.html
Comments:Twenty-five years ago this week the Great Peace March was enjoying the hospitality of the great state of Iowa. Firefighters came to camp to hose us off; a community band played music for us; Love Day brought march magic; Jackson Browne, a midnight concert. Then we crossed the Mississippi to meet the Delta Queen, an encounter with real Soviet citizens. Hope you can relate to the many personal reflections in this chapter... Happy reminiscing! And, A Happy Reunion! (Please click on the web link above to read the chapter.)
July 26, 2011 06:44:52 (GMT Time)



Name:Lori Shields
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Hi Sam, Would you like me to put your entry from this site onto Facebook since a lot more folks are reading the GPM Facebook site than this one? I am sorry that you can't make the reunion but I am guessing folks would like to hear from you. Shall I post it?
July 19, 2011 02:31:05 (GMT Time)



Name:Laura M
Email:astrangeplacecalledhome{at}yahoo.com
HomePage:http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=6991742738943557520&postID=8332990197001423335
Comments:Twenty-five years ago this week we were getting ready to enter Des Moines. I learned so much from the Iowans I met!
July 16, 2011 23:16:08 (GMT Time)



Name:Sam Wolfe
Email:smwlfe{at}gmail.com
HomePage:http://
Comments:Dear GPM-ers, With regrets I do not plan to attend Ventura reunion. I wd love to hear from my fellow marchers at smwlfe@gmail.com and NOT my yahoo which is samyah002001 (note the zewroes). Remember that I was a radio "ham" in Com 1 vehicle call sign WB8ONT (Ohio s Nicest Teacher)? With great fondness for all you badly needed peacemakers and younger generations of same, have a great reunion. Sam Wolfe 3126 E Derbyshire Rd Cleveland Hts, OH 44118 216-932-8570 Yes, I do snail mail and will respond. smwlfe@gmail.com
July 14, 2011 20:06:03 (GMT Time)



Name:Dan Coogan
Email:dan{at}cooganphoto.com
HomePage:http://www.cooganphoto.com
Comments:Finally getting photos posted before the 25th reunion... Photos posted to Flickr and Facebook (same images) flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cooganphoto/sets/72157626908632257/ Facebook:http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150360412558228.436025.764618227
July 5, 2011 09:47:08 (GMT Time)



Name:Laura M
Email:
HomePage:http://astrangeplacecalledhome.blogspot.com/2010/11/chapter-seventeen-be-here-now.html
Comments:Twenty-five years ago this week we entered Iowa. I fell in love with Iowa. In this chapter: Independence Day; Plain Jane; tornado warning; a lesson from Ram Dass; hearing the corn grow; bubbles; fasting; Wild Wimmin; Dr Strangelove; and Shakespeare, Harriet Tubman and Pete Seeger at Lake Anita. Wow. Happy reading. Forward to friends!
July 3, 2011 06:37:16 (GMT Time)



Name:Lori
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Laura, Your blog is so well timed! It really got me quite excited for the reunion. I hope you are planning to come! And a heads up to all marchers hoping to attend; The registration dead line is June 30th.
June 15, 2011 13:09:08 (GMT Time)



Name:Laura M
Email:
HomePage:http://astrangeplacecalledhome.blogspot.com/2010/11/chapter-fifteen-mad.html
Comments:Twenty-five years ago this week, we were walking across shadeless western Nebraska. In this chapter: the Flag Woman of Brule, a swim in North Platte, Summer Solstice, the Moonwalk, the amber gym. Also, a decent explanation of how we demonstrated the madness of Mutual Assured Destruction. Your comments, memories and stories welcome!
June 14, 2011 03:44:56 (GMT Time)



Name:Laura M
Email:
HomePage:http://astrangeplacecalledhome.blogspot.com/2010/11/chapter-fourteen-armageddon-outta-here.html
Comments:Twenty-Five years ago this week we found ourselves sleeping in a rain-soaked farmer's field. Daytime weather fluctuated from broiling hot to chilly wind and pelting hail. Peace Academy was getting up and started. Hope you enjoy Chapter 14, which includes "Lucille," another original song... Your comments and remembrances welcome, as always!
June 9, 2011 15:22:58 (GMT Time)



Name:Gene
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Not yet, Lori, because I have great films scheduled already all through to the end of the year: "Kadosh," "Mosquito Coast," "The Mission," "September Dawn," "Butterfly," "The Loved One," and "Chocolate." All these are of interest to atheists and agnostics. I'll have to wait till January and start the new year off with "Constantine's Sword" which, from all I read, is a terrific film. Can't wait to show it. Thanks again.
June 7, 2011 16:38:37 (GMT Time)



Name:lori
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Hey Gene, Did your group ever watch Constantine's Sword? I am wondering what you thought of it.
June 6, 2011 21:05:56 (GMT Time)



Name:Laura M
Email:astrangeplacecalledhome{at}yahoo.com
HomePage:http://astrangeplacecalledhome.blogspot.com/2010/11/chapter-thirteen-god-save-us-from.html
Comments:Twenty-five years ago this week The Great Peace March had come through Denver and stepped out onto the Great Plains. We headed northeast toward Sterling, CO. Our tolerance for diversity began to be tested. Recollections and comments welcome!
June 2, 2011 14:43:00 (GMT Time)



Name:Laura M
Email:astrangeplacecalledhome{at}yahoo.com
HomePage:http://astrangeplacecalledhome.blogspot.com/2010/11/chapter-twelve-mantle-of-grace.html
Comments:Twenty-five years ago this coming week, we left the beautiful Rockies and headed out over the Great Plains. We celebrated with Pete Seeger and Pat Schroeder at Red Rocks and cheered the generosity of a doctor who, at the rally in Denver, stepped up and wrote us a huge check. (I started loading trucks with my pal "Evan" and had a near disaster our first day on the job!) Hope you enjoy chapter twelve. Do share your thoughts and memories here!
May 27, 2011 05:42:16 (GMT Time)



Name:Steven Klein
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Comments:The link above goes to the Great Peace March quiz. I found it, but I don't know who created it. I got 39 (out of 40) right. And I guessed a few. Note: To appear on the scoreboard, register & sign in BEFORE you take the quiz.
May 25, 2011 18:33:49 (GMT Time)



Name:Steven Klein
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Comments:Happy <a href="http://www.towelday.org/">Towel Day</a>.
May 25, 2011 17:25:18 (GMT Time)



Name:Joe
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Comments:We're still here!
May 21, 2011 15:28:50 (GMT Time)



Name:Laura M
Email:astrangeplacecalledhome.blogspot.com
HomePage:http://astrangeplacecalledhome.blogspot.com/2010/11/chapter-eleven-close-your-eyes-and-open.html
Comments:Twenty-five years ago this week the Great Peace March walked over beautiful Vail Pass and celebrated the giddy heights of Loveland Pass. In this chapter, you'll find a little march magic, a chat with a Spirit Walker, the emergence of two original march-inspired songs (with links to the music so you can listen if you wish), and the transfer of the GPM school into capable hands. Enjoy reading and reminiscing! Chapter Eleven...
May 20, 2011 03:45:31 (GMT Time)



Name:Laura M
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Comments:Here's where we were 25 years ago this week... (Click on the link above.) Add your recollections...
May 13, 2011 21:54:45 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Exactly Gene!
May 9, 2011 13:26:27 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Joe! Go to the link below for something you will enjoy. http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.jokesprank.com/gallery/data/media/4/atheist-jokes-atheism-1511675-420-325.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.jokesprank.com/gallery/r_funny_cartoon_pictures_4_atheist-jokes-atheism-1511675-420-325_2052.html&usg=__e-CDiX4rnpe3Mbh-F8tmuZPWInA=&h=325&w=420&sz=62&hl=en&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=Wa0MM_RxBLukVM:&tbnh=126&tbnw=164&ei=imLHTZyZEIzEsAPj3emfAQ&prev=/search%3Fq%3Datheist%2Bjokes%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX%26rlz%3D1R2GGLL_en%26biw%3D1001%26bih%3D556%26tbm%3Disch%26prmd%3Divns0%2C145&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=720&vpy=76&dur=828&hovh=197&hovw=255&tx=170&ty=136&page=1&ndsp=15&ved=1t:429,r:9,s:0&biw=1001&bih=556
May 9, 2011 03:45:44 (GMT Time)



Name:Lori
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Comments:https://sites.google.com/site/gpmreunion/ Hi Melinda, To find out about the march, go to the above web site. I hope you can make it.
May 3, 2011 12:09:01 (GMT Time)



Name:melinda v. kirby west
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Comments:My name is melinda i am one of the grand daughters of LEE SIMS Hey there former marchers i was just a kid on this wonderful journey. I met so many people who i still think about all these years later. I hear there is another reunion commin up and i hope to attend. I would love to see my GPM family all grown up
May 3, 2011 07:50:21 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Shanawa, thank you for sharing such a vivid memory. It makes me wonder, not only at the beauty of your description, but also why more of us haven't written down our peace march stories. Your extraordinary hike into the canyon is inspiring, and to think that it's one of hundreds of such inspirational stories is, I think, testimony to the lasting and yet untapped potential of the peace march. Thanks for the vision of the canyon.
May 1, 2011 08:12:15 (GMT Time)



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Comments:As I looked down from this mini canyon I saw a large solid rock the size of a Mall and its parking lot and it was small compared to the size and grandeur of the Canyon itself. It was all just breath taking. I worked my way up over the top of the canyon I just came to and decided to continue walking and take in more of its grandeur when a Red Tail Hawk came by and hovered above me in circles. I stood there overlooking this vision of beauty and wonder and decided to give my thanks for such a wonderful adventure and the beauty laid out before me. I sent up my prayer and sang a song to the four directions, earth, sky and the Great Mystery while the Red Tail Hawk continued hover and fly in circles above. It was one of the most wonderful moment in my life.
April 30, 2011 17:43:38 (GMT Time)



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Comments:As I continued on this journey I finally came to a place where there was nothing but raw land. I came across a mini canyon or what may be called a wash or gully. It was like a mini grand canyon. As I descended down into the bottom of this I felt like a giant walking through this canyon the top of which was about 15 to 20 ft. high. I saw birds, lizards and snakes doing there thing and just taking in all the beauty that nature offered. When I came to the end of this mini canyon it spilled out into a canyon of enormous grandeur. While taking it all in it seemed that I went from feeling like a giant to feeling like the size of a flee, it was so dynamic and beautiful to behold.
April 30, 2011 17:42:58 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Outstanding work Laura, I see you found your downstream focus in your writing ability, it is beautifully done. The time line of this work brings to mind what I was doing then. I was in Peace City waiting for the rest of the walkers to come back from Salt Lake City. I decided, of all things, to take a long walk. It was so open and beautiful that I decided to walk away from the highway. I looked at a map and found were we were and saw that a canyon was to the south, I headed that way. as I went along I found a rail road track and a dirt road that brought me down a little because I did not want to see anything made by humans so I determined to walk as far as it took to get away from it.
April 30, 2011 17:41:43 (GMT Time)



Name:Laura M
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Comments:Here's where we were 25 years ago this week. Hope you'll post comments and recollections!
April 29, 2011 06:45:42 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Yes I did but I still have not made up my mind, there are a lot of things to consider, there are a lot of opportunities coming my way lately.
April 29, 2011 06:01:30 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Yes, Shanawa - we scared everybody away, even Marc and Joe. But I am glad you are here. Did you say you may not make it the big reunion because of a big walk you will be taking?
April 28, 2011 22:30:37 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Looks like we scared every one away Gene. Politicking can be so hard that it just makes everyone run away. It is a passion is it not.
April 28, 2011 22:17:21 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Hi Gene!
April 28, 2011 22:02:40 (GMT Time)



Name:Gene
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Comments:Thanks for your beautiful comments, Shanawa. Yes, peace on this page too. But not so much that the place goes dead. Marc - where are you?
April 28, 2011 05:11:28 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Gene we are comrades on the road to freeing ourselves of the nuclear weapons. That I will never forget also. May Peace last, Brother.
April 28, 2011 01:53:33 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Well, Almost anything the left has to say.
April 28, 2011 01:46:03 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Yes Gene, I,agree. I do hope that it never comes to the point of fighting in the streets. Unfortunately our philosophies mix like olive oil and water, they simply can not mix well together. The left made an enemy of me a long time ago on the Great Peace March when a group of people (feminist) within the march riled up all the people and accused me of something I never done, have never done and would never do. I have three sisters, three daughters and a mother. I will never forget that day. Their sense of Justice that day was bull. That said, truce. Just know if you talk politics here I reserve the right to counter anything the left has to say.
April 28, 2011 01:28:32 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Ah, Shanawa - I see you are passionate about this. And because I have been a socialist ever since my college days, I have a lot invested in that belief system. I could defend socialism to the death as well as you would "die fighting it." When the barricades are in the streets (as well they may be some day) you and I - comrades on the Great Peace March - will find ourselves on opposite sides. For now you and I can carry on here the way Marc and I often carry on. But I'm afraid it will bore most people. I don't know. What do you think?
April 27, 2011 23:28:06 (GMT Time)



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Comments:I am anti tax and believe that the country will prosper and take care of what needs to be taken care of through that prosperity. I will see the day when the evil IRS is removed from government and Elder ladies and men will never again be thrown out of their lifelong homes because they could no longer work to pay their taxes. I will see a country that cannot put people in jail because they refused to pay taxes. Socialism is an incubator for dictators, history has proven that and I will never see that here. I will die fighting it first. You have hate for the rich; I had nothing but scorn for socialism and communism. Taxing the rich will never cure the world Gene, never. You are correct taxes are a cruel brutal joke.
April 27, 2011 19:54:47 (GMT Time)



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Comments:You as a socialist believe that government should be over us and is dominant over the individual I do not. This is the freedom I talk about. In a socialist way of thinking I would go out and spend the money, time and use my mind to produce a product, in my case a set of poems, go out and sell it for $10 dollars and then fork over $5 dollars of it to someone who does nothing to improve their life and if I don’t those that do nothing scream and cry that it is not fare. Prosperity starts with me not the notion the government will take care of me. I have seen what government handouts have done to native people around this country and among the poor; it brings on the mindset that I don’t have to do anything to get the government to give me what I need. It had done nothing but bring stagnation of the mind and dependence on anything but the self.
April 27, 2011 19:53:35 (GMT Time)



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Comments:I see we agree on taxes being a cruel brutal joke. I thought we were talking about taxing the church but you brought the whole game out. OK. I agree Corporations should never get bailouts or subsidies. You can thank BO for that as well as Bush starting it. You think everyone should look outside themselves to get help. You as a socialists think Government should take care of us, I do not. You think we are interdependent, I know we are not. I am independent and take care of myself and the ones I love and if I have extra I give to those that don’t have. I love the freedom in that. I am not rich Gene, I have never been rich but I do not believe like you do when it comes to taxing people. The rich, including the corporations like GM provide a vast amount of jobs and work which is a contribution that you do not recognize nor will any socialist recognize. The rich give more than anyone else because they don’t hate money and have the money to give.
April 27, 2011 19:52:16 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Yes, Shanawa, taxes are a joke. And the joke is on us. When multi-billion corporations such as GE pay no taxes at all, but instead get OUR money funneled to them in the form of subsidies and bailouts, it is a very cruel joke. When a few pigs at the trough gobble up 80% of the wealth and leave 20% to the rest of us, the joke is more than cruel – it is brutal. TAX THE RICH! Let them pay only their FAIR share. But fairness is a stupid word in our system which is called “C...” But I don’t want to mention that C word. I myself am a “S...” – but no, I dare not utter the S word.
April 27, 2011 15:44:46 (GMT Time)



Name:Paulien
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Comments:25 years ago, someone brought a television out into the desert, hooked it up to the generator and we watched the Chernobyl drama unfold. I was with the Japanese girls and they were so upset, I do not speak Japanese, but I understood everything they were saying. When we sat down, one of them sat on a cactus and we were glad there was something to DO, pulling the spikes out of her fanny. What with the Fukushima disaster I have been thinking about them quite a bit these days. Does anyone know their names and where they are?
April 26, 2011 17:21:40 (GMT Time)



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Comments:If a church can have all that just think of what you and I can have without taxes. Taxes are the joke.
April 26, 2011 17:16:39 (GMT Time)



Name:Gene
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Comments:Oh, wow! Is it the Catholic Church that is the biggest owner of property in the world - all tax free? Or is it the Mormon Church? Why, when I lived and worked at Harbin Hot Springs those many, many lush acres were all tax free under the guise that the place was a church - a New Age church, Heart Consciousness they called it. What a joke!
April 26, 2011 07:24:22 (GMT Time)



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Comments:I like this, Gene I am with you on separation of church and state. We don't need another dark ages, We should rename it separation of religion and state since I would never want to live under Muslim rule either. Taxing the Church, well you all know what I think about taxes.
April 26, 2011 03:50:36 (GMT Time)



Name:Joe
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Comments:Thanks Lori. I look forward to seeing the film or reading the book or both. Gene, what do you think about taxing church property and income?
April 25, 2011 22:36:33 (GMT Time)



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Comments:I wish I could join you for the discussion after you watch the film Gene. It is a lovely and painful story because the author/main character is struggling so hard to love his church (he is not making this film to tear down his church,)... yet he has such profound misgivings about it's bloody past (present and future). Great flick! I want to hear your thoughts about it after you watch it.
April 25, 2011 19:35:05 (GMT Time)



Name:Gene
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Comments:Wow! Thanks so much, Lori! I’m glad to hear you recommend that film. I manage a Freethinkers Film Festival for our Atheist Club here in our 10,000 member senior community. We show a movie a month. “Constantine’s Sword” I heard of vaguely, but did not look into it. Thanks to you I just read the Amazon reviews. Perfect for us! “’Constantine’s Sword’ is a cry from the heart about the abuse of religion when aligned with the state.” - New York Times. “Constantine’s Sword” is an astonishing exploration of the dark side of Christianity, warning of what happens when military power and religious fervor are joined.” I will schedule this soon and I thank you.
April 25, 2011 05:09:27 (GMT Time)



Name:lori
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Comments:Oh yeah, it is also a really thick book. Got to through chapter 4 and decided to rent the movie instead. My family was glad to have me back.
April 25, 2011 02:57:32 (GMT Time)



Name:lori
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Comments:Hey Joe, you might really like the movie Constantine's Sword. The link between religion and war. Picks on Evangelicals and Catholics mostly. All with good cause. Excellent flick.
April 25, 2011 02:56:06 (GMT Time)



Name:Joe
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Comments:You are so right Ted, not only about Catholicism but about all institutional religions. Most Catholics are wonderful people who try every day to live out the true message of their faith. Jesus if he ever existed would be spinning in his grave or raging from the gates of heaven about the institutional Roman Catholic Church and all the atrocities committed by that institution in his name. Of course that institution is only as good as the people running it and those Catholic people over the centuries have committed the most heinous acts imaginable. I just heard today that a US judge is allowing the victims of priest abuse to sue The Vatican. The Vatican claims that it is not responsible as always though it has no problem disciplining priests who dissent from The Vatican political line. I also heard a bit of the current pope's town hall meeting. The questions and participants were screened in advance and the whole thing was scripted - in other words a public relations ploy - a farce.
April 23, 2011 15:29:46 (GMT Time)



Name:Ted T.
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Comments:After having served 8 years in Catholic school (altar boy, crossing guard, 4 years perfect attendance, 4.0 GPA) I have to argue....while the Church (big C) has a really bad history (Crusades, Indian Schools, etc.)...there have been/are billions of people who have, with faith, kept a history of moral good going. nursing homes,Catholic Worker houses, disaster aid agencies, down to the little day to day niceties. The basic tenets of all religions are good, but the people that twist that logic or follow it to extremes are the problem. I remember at the end of the New England walk, we stayed at Friends house and a banner on the wall read "We believe the spirit of God is in every man, we cannot prove this, but when Man acts as if it is true, our faith is justified"...I've always loved this. Remember, WWJD falls within the 3 basic ways of telling Right from Wrong.
April 22, 2011 18:03:25 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Woo-hoo! JOE! Talk about the third rail of politics! That's like the fifth rail. Hey, I'm with you. They say everything has to be on the table, so . . .
April 19, 2011 06:11:52 (GMT Time)



Name:Joe
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Comments:A priest got hot and bothered over me when I was 16, but luckily for me and for him, he did not touch me. Yes, the damage done to human sexuality alone by the Abrahamic religions is incalculable. I have a modest proposal for those in congress creating our so-called budget (I wish I could spend anything I wanted and pay no taxes!). How about we tax the churches! Let us start with property taxes and then move on to income tax. That would go a long way to solving the gap between spending and revenue.
April 18, 2011 23:24:42 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Joe! It almost sounds as if... – were YOU, as a young Catholic boy, molested by the priests? I feel that I, as an Orthodox Jewish boy, was abused by the rabbis. Intellectually abused. Well, you can consider it sexual too. I was told to girdle my waist with a particular “religious” device to separate the upper, clean, holy, pure part of my body from the lower, filthy, unclean, animal part. I was told to say, every morning upon arising, a special prayer thanking God for not making me a woman. I was told... But you get the idea. The Catholics and Jews, with all their differences, see eye to eye when it comes to sex.
April 18, 2011 20:09:04 (GMT Time)



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Comments:I think it would be easy to make a case (as I believe Gene has done compellingly in the past) that organized religion in general has caused much more harm than good. I prefer to remain agnostic on that question--I feel it is too hard to quantify the role of religion in human history. Speaking of mixed bags, I realize that I actually do not like everything from that Mother Theresa quote I shared. Specifically: "If you are successful, you will win some false friends and some true enemies; Succeed anyway." That sounds like "success" is a choice, and therefore it's my fault if I don't "succeed." (at what?) But even more significantly, I don't care for this: "You see, in the final analysis, it is between you and God; It was never between you and them anyway." Who's "them"? The rest of humanity? In a sense I get it--it's between me and my soul but "them" has to be part of the equation or it's just a self-absorbed posture.
April 18, 2011 19:56:03 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Maybe Mother Theresa has done more good than harm, but the Roman Catholic Church has certainly done far more harm than good over it's bloody history. It brought us the dark ages, the inquisition, and the crusades just to refer to the holy trinity of its sins before 1500 when the age of genocide began aided and blessed by Catholic priests and soldiers. What a horrid institution! The constant revelations of priestly pederasty across the Catholic world over the last decade or so just confirms the pervasive and widespread nature of the institutional corruption and how it operates on all levels of the institution. If there ever was a practical argument against God, the Catholic Church is it. The very institution that claims to speak for God perpetrates the most heinous crimes on his people all over the planet for over a thousand years.
April 18, 2011 13:01:18 (GMT Time)



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Comments:No, Mother Teresa is not a big subject with me. I would never give her a thought except you brought her up. And Christopher Hitchens is quite a mixed bag himself. (Which one of us is not?) He is one of our “new atheists” - angry atheists you might say. He wrote “God is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything.” But if you don’t want to do research on Mother Teresa at least read the three items I cited: the Slate Magazine article (essential), the Free Inquiry interview (very important) and the reviews of Hitchens’ book on Amazon (amazing).
April 17, 2011 23:02:11 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Tax Freedom Day arrived on Tuesday, April 12 this year — Americans worked for the first 102 days of 2011 just to earn enough to pay their federal, state, and local taxes. The date is three days later than in 2010, meaning that taxes across the board have gone up this year, according to the Tax Foundation, which computes Tax Freedom Day each year. Americans will pay more in taxes this year than on groceries, clothing, and shelter combined, the Foundation noted.
April 17, 2011 20:01:52 (GMT Time)



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Comments:yikes! oh well, she was only Mother Theresa, not Saint Teresa. I'm sure she was a mixed bag and I knew she was strongly anti-abortion. I can't imagine that her clinics failed to help anyone, even if the facilities were inadequate to help all, and even if she had her own toxic prejudices and misguided reverence for vested power. Gene, I admit I don't know much and I'm not disposed to research this, but my best guess is that the organization she created and all the Sisters she mentored to serve the poor and disenfranchised ultimately did more good than harm. I could be wrong of course but that's my gut impression. I'm not surprised to learn she was highly imperfect. Even Gandhi was a sanctimonious tyrant to his family. And apart from all this, I simply find Mother Theresa's words--the ones I quoted--clarifying and inspiring.
April 17, 2011 19:55:49 (GMT Time)



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Comments:From the Free Inquiry interview of Christopher Hitchens: “One of the most salient examples of people’s willingness to believe anything if it is garbed in the appearance of holiness is the uncritical acceptance of the idea of Mother Teresa as a saint...” In this Hitchens speaks of “her groveling to the Duvaliers - licking the feet of the rich instead of washing the feet of the poor.” But I forgot to include the link to the Slate magazine article. Here it is this time above.
April 17, 2011 18:49:12 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Here, from Amazon, is part of a reader’s review of the Hitchens book: “In swift and sly prose, Hitchens relates his personal observations of Mother Teresa’s clinics in Calcutta. He tells one story of a nursery full of starving, sick babies crying in insufficient cribs, which M. Teresa describes as the way “we fight abortion.” He writes of men dying of AIDS, denied pain medicine, because according to M. Teresa, their suffering will assure them of ultimate salvation. At first glance it is surprising, but it shouldn’t be. M. Teresa is a Roman Catholic nun and Mother Superior; in fact, founder of an order. She is not merely Christian in a vague way, but a zealot for Catholicism.”
April 17, 2011 15:24:31 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Well, whenever I hear the name Mother Teresa I think of Christopher Hitchens. He’s been on her case for a long time. “Mommie Dearest,” an article he wrote for Slate Magazine, begins “The pope beatifies Mother Teresa, a fanatic, a fundamentalist, and a fraud.” (link above) Hitchens, of course, wrote the great debunking book “The Missionary Position: Mother Teresa in Theory and Practice.” There is also an incredible interview in Free Inquiry Magazine: http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/fi/hitchens_16_4.html
April 17, 2011 15:23:14 (GMT Time)



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Comments:PRIORITIES by Mother Theresa People are often unreasonable, illogical, and self-centered; Forgive them anyway. If you are kind, People may accuse you of selfish, ulterior motives; Be kind anyway. If you are successful, you will win some false friends and some true enemies; Succeed anyway. If you are honest and frank, people may cheat you; Be honest and frank anyway. What you spend years building, someone could destroy overnight; Build anyway. If you find serenity and happiness, they may be jealous; Be happy anyway. The good you do today, people will often forget tomorrow; Do good anyway. Give the world the best you have, and it may never be enough; Give the world the best you've got anyway. You see, in the final analysis, it is between you and God; It was never between you and them anyway. This was written by Mother Theresa and is engraved on the wall of her home for children in Calcutta.
April 17, 2011 06:18:06 (GMT Time)



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Comments:I think having a post with just an "emoticon" at the top of the guestbook page is tacky, even if it is an emoticon celebrating the fantastic epic Gene/Marc philosophical armistice. Therefore, I am going to post some inspiring words from Mother Theresa in a second. And she mentions God so, who knows? Maybe it will spark the debate anew--Ted forbid!
April 17, 2011 06:16:05 (GMT Time)



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Comments::-)
April 16, 2011 21:03:16 (GMT Time)



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Comments:I agree fully, totally and completely! There – that’s twice we’ve agreed. This is getting weird. Next thing you know the Israelis and Palestinians will embrace, the Republics and Democrats will be in bed together (wait – that’s already the case), and the lion will lie down with the lamb. Seriously Marc, we do have a lot of fun here. And I loved your opening line: “Even if we didn’t both agree on Darwin, we would have to agree that I agreed with Darwin, and that in itself is an agreement.” Very cute, very clever! Yes, we do have fun.
April 16, 2011 19:38:34 (GMT Time)



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Comments:No, Gene, there's no way around it, because even if we didn't both agree on Darwin, we would have to agree that I agreed with Darwin, and that in itself is an agreement. Furthermore, we are in agreement that our dialogues have given tremendous pleasure to our fellow marchers, even if none of them have said as much. In fact, even if they were to say the opposite, that our debates have NOT interested them, I would be inclined to distrust that testimony, because I'm 100% certain that our debates have been enlivening and refreshing to all readers and I cannot be swayed from this ultimate faith. Would you agree?
April 16, 2011 17:48:28 (GMT Time)



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Comments:The government today, announced that it's changing its emblem from our flag to a CONDOM, because it reflects the government's political stance. A condom allows for inflation, halts production, destroys the next generation, protects a bunch of dicks and gives you a sense of security while you're ...actually being screwed. It just doesn't get more accurate than that!
April 16, 2011 09:43:14 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Wow, Marc! I wish I could reach into my computer screen and embrace you. Agree with me? This may be the very first time in all these years you have done so. But now what will become of the fabulous debates we’ve had here that provided so much pleasure to our fellow Marchers? Yes, it’s best to say you agree not with me but with Darwin. But then if we both agree with Darwin, we agree with each other. Can’t get around it... It’s a great day on the Peace march Page!
April 16, 2011 05:09:59 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Oh and Ted--an absentee landlord God who hopes--that's my kind of God, dude. Keep up the omnipotent, infinite work! Amen.
April 16, 2011 04:46:06 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Great Darwin story, Gene! And by the way, I think I'm also an "atheist" when it comes to putting my trust in the empirical, scientific method of learning about our natural world. I hope you're all right with me agreeing with you--or is it Darwin I'm agreeing with? Anyway, one of you.
April 16, 2011 04:43:33 (GMT Time)



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Comments:But did Darwin call himself an agnostic rather than an athsist? Yes, in this context: Two famous atheists, Buchner and Aveling, visited Darwin. The great man asked the two “Why do you call yourselves Atheists?” They responded that it was folly to deny a god, but equal folly to assert one. Darwin thought carefully and responded, “I am with you in thought, but I should prefer the word Agnostic to the word Atheist.” Aveling replied that, “After all, ‘Agnostic’ was but ‘Atheist’ writ respectable, and ‘Atheist’ was only ‘Agnostic’ writ aggressive.” Darwin smiled and responded “Why should you be so aggressive?”
April 16, 2011 00:23:20 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Insofar as Darwin sought only natural causes for events he was an atheist - that is, without theism, without god or gods. And he did seek and accept only natural explanations. He was like one of the greatest scientists of all time, the astronomer Laplace (known as the French Newton). When Laplace presented his book to Napoleon, someone had first told Napoleon that the book contained no mention of God. Napoleon remarked “M. Laplace, they tell me you have written this large book on the system of the universe, and have never even mentioned its Creator.” Laplace drew himself up and answered bluntly, Je n'avais pas besoin de cette hypothèse-là. (“I had no need of that hypothesis.”) Darwin too had no need of a god hypothesis.
April 16, 2011 00:21:46 (GMT Time)



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Comments:“The mystery of the beginning of all things is insoluble by us; and I for one must be content to remain an agnostic.”
April 15, 2011 17:48:54 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Okay, what God are we discussing?
April 15, 2011 06:18:29 (GMT Time)



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Comments:I am an absentee landlord....I am a bored researcher with his finger on the fast forward button....giving Man free will means hoping what needs doing will get done.
April 14, 2011 22:37:23 (GMT Time)



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Comments:I'm confused. So you are saying you do NOT need people to do your will, Ted?
April 13, 2011 18:20:31 (GMT Time)



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Comments:My response to those people is usually "Let me get this straight...your omnipotent, omniscient God needs you to do his will?" flusters them every time.
April 13, 2011 15:09:05 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Thanks Gene. I just read a great article in Russian Life about Gagarin's accomplishments. From my recollection of the article he did say something from this first flight along the lines of I see the beautiful earth, but do not see god. Gagarin seemed fearless yet humble which is a rare combination.
April 13, 2011 11:18:53 (GMT Time)



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April 13, 2011 00:36:50 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Hello fellow marchers, Long time no contact but life moves on. While recently cleaning house, I came across some slides from our time together and not really sure what to do with them. About 25, so far, covering LA to Iowa (where, if I remember correctly, had to sell my equipment to continue) but will probably be a lot more, as I dig around. I probably want to keep the originals, but would gladly arrange copies. You can contact me via my email address and... Peace...it's not a goal but journey...To Each and All, Ed
April 13, 2011 00:28:58 (GMT Time)



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Comments:More on our god talk here: Today the world celebrates the anniversary of one of humanity’s most incredible accomplishments – sending a man into orbit around the earth. Google has a special logo to pay tribute to the handsome and heroic Yuri Gagarin who 50 years ago today blasted off into the vast unknown. What were his first words from outer space? Somewhere (maybe on one of our Soviet peace walks) I got the idea that they were Shakespeare’s: “There is more in heaven and earth, Horatio, than is dreamt of in your philosophy.” (Hamlet) Other people say (on the Internet where you they will say anything) that his first words were “I have looked and looked but do not see God up here.” Neither is true. What he actually says you may hear in a remarkable movie. It is a feature-length film with a ravishing score. You will yourself feel like Gagarin. And, Joe, you will enjoy the Russian speaking. See link above.
April 12, 2011 16:56:41 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Neil Young is telling me to go to his concert with Marc. It sounds crazy doesn't it? How much more crazy is it to say that God told me to blow up a school bus? No, I would not apply the individual soldier metaphor to this unless it was a PTSD soldier who did something insane. Divine will is one of those mysteries to me and people who claim to channel the divine will scare me or at the very least do not interest me either Marc.
April 12, 2011 16:50:14 (GMT Time)



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Comments:I loved James' contribution to the topic! Laughed my ass off! Am sending to my husband and friends.... mostly because I tend to lean towards Storm and my husband is the main star of that cartoon (without the angry edge.) Thanks for sending this along James and Gene!
April 12, 2011 15:43:44 (GMT Time)



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Comments:I'd like to pick up on something Joe said yesterday regarding the God issue: ". . . God is used to avoid doing the right thing over and over again or to do horribly wrong things over and over again. That is the concise history of the religious institutions - using God. I know that many delineate the institutional God from the personal God, but it feels to me like the delineation between the US military and an individual soldier." Joe, I want to highlight a different distinction. Personally, I get nervous around anyone who says that "God told them" this or that, or who believe with absolute certainty that they are following "God's will." To me, the mark of a sane person is that have some room for doubt and self questioning--that maybe they try to live according to the divine will as they understand it, but they don't claim to have a pipeline to the Lord. Would you agree that in those cases, the "individual soldier" metaphor is less apt?
April 12, 2011 15:29:27 (GMT Time)



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Comments:And speaking of "tongue in cheek" (as you did some posts ago, Gene), if James used the word "profoundly" that's a flag that we're in for something pretty silly . . . I'll see if I'm right.
April 12, 2011 04:46:20 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Haven't clicked the vid yet but I will. But Gene, do you realize how nostalgic it is for you to be channeling James? It's like this guestbook page has evolved a whole set of traditions.
April 12, 2011 04:43:28 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Joe and Marc: You gotta see this video (link above). James sent it to me and says it bears profoundly on the big discussion we just had here.
April 12, 2011 02:26:56 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Joe, a little something to help you decide . . . click on the link above
April 11, 2011 22:19:39 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Wednesday, June 1 and Thursday, June 2. Say the word, Joe, and if you're willing to make the trip, I'll buy your ticket.
April 11, 2011 22:06:10 (GMT Time)



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Comments:You're killing me, Marc. When is the concert?
April 11, 2011 22:01:44 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Neil Young songs that are guaranteed to appear: "I Am A Child," "On the Way Home," "Nowadays Clancy Can't Even Sing," "Mr. Soul" . . . have I got your attention, Joe?
April 11, 2011 21:26:54 (GMT Time)



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Comments:wanna come with me, Joe? :-)
April 11, 2011 21:25:25 (GMT Time)



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Comments:I actually lean on God more for dealing with life than worrying about death. But whatever. Here is something I do know as utterly revealed truth. Without Neil Young IT AIN'T BUFFALO SPRINGFIELD! Yeah, Neil will be there. And Stephen Stills. And Richie Furay. Major time warp . . . they played together at the last Bridge School benefit concert and you can youtube that; they were amazing.
April 11, 2011 21:24:38 (GMT Time)



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Comments:I spoke with Bob is God last week and he is agnostic on the reunion question. We will have to wait and pray. If Neil Young is with Buffalo Springfield I would spend the money in a heartbeat, but hey - I believe that Neil is also God. Don't you Marc? It seems to me that the question about God usually does revolve around comfort. The concept of God seems to give many people comfort about this life we lead and especially about our death that ends it. That seems like a natural need, but not really a convincing argument for me, especially when God is used to avoid doing the right thing over and over again or to do horribly wrong things over and over again. That is the concise history of the religious institutions - using God. I know that many delineate the institutional God from the personal God, but it feels to me like the delineation between the US military and an individual soldier.
April 11, 2011 20:51:45 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Lori, I like the Linus analogy and I totally relate. I don't what God is or even if She really exists but I would fall apart without Her. By the way, here's a question I need to ask God, and perhaps my fellow peace marchers: Do you think it might be worth it--or is it insane--to spend $150 on a so-so seat to see the reunited Buffalo Springfield in Oakland?
April 11, 2011 19:39:15 (GMT Time)



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Comments:I believe we have established on this very site that Bob Is God. I think we voted him in somewhere in Iowa. I wonder if Bob Is God is going to attend the Peace March Reunion?
April 11, 2011 19:29:51 (GMT Time)



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Comments: I also think there are various realities. We have all be taught to see certain things and not others. I do not see the dirt in my own home, I do see what kind of car a person is driving... just the color... I do not understand how some Republicans can be very intelligent/good-hearted people and still see the world the way they do. Some realities seemed shared... but not all. I am not even sure when I see the color red that you experience the same color I experience as red. All this mystery is a lot of fun isn't it?
April 11, 2011 18:49:28 (GMT Time)



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Comments:I am sorry I haven't gotten back to this page in a few days. I was the one inquiring about your opinion on the interaction of energy , infinity and beyond. I am open to God. I've had too many unexplained things happen to me and my friends. And maybe it's just because I am not smart enough to put those happenings in a frame work that is explainable or maybe it's because I hold out hope that the unexplained things are of God, that I do believe in God. I totally respect everyone's right/need to believe or not believe in what ever.... I just have to have God like Linus needs his blanket.
April 11, 2011 18:49:06 (GMT Time)



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Comments:That was very beautiful, Joe. Thank you. How easily resentments dissolve as if by magic formula. Although I am older than you two guys, it is I who am acting as a child and you who are teaching me lessons in forgiveness.
April 11, 2011 15:36:41 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Marc, my men's group has been exploring forgiveness recently and it seems clear that the number one person to forgive is oneself. Maybe it works the same way with resentment.
April 11, 2011 09:48:55 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Gene, there is no doubt that we have had some bad moments in the past that would have led to hurt feelings. I am sorry that I hurt your feelings! Please forgive me. Moreover, I think that our relationship on this guest book and online have been mostly excellent for many years and I want to acknowledge that success. I am happy with our relationship and hope you are too. I find you an engaging and religiously(!) fun guy who can make a point and take a joke. I appreciate those qualities about you.
April 11, 2011 09:47:17 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Somebody read me a passage from the 12-step "big book" that was written by a woman who wanted to let go her resentments. She had been successful in forgiving everyone except her mother, who'd abandoned her when she was 7. So she decided to pray for her mom, to ask God (as she understood God) to grant her mom every good thing she would want for herself--whether she felt it or not. And at the end of 2 weeks of simply making that prayer--not even necessarily feeling it in her heart, but saying it in her mind anyway--she was relieved of her resentment! The writer advises us to try the same strategy if we want to be released from resentment. At the end of 2 weeks, she says, we can find our resentments evaporated, and we will feel filled with compassion and peace. So I'm going to try that. I made a list of everyone I resent. If I have to give each of them a separate 2 weeks of prayer, this project will take months. But maybe I can pray for all of them during the same 2 weeks.
April 11, 2011 07:13:56 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Hurt feelings? Yes, I do have hurt feelings that go way back 25 years with you two guys. The three of us do have a history, after all. And if you speak of disrespect, I remember well some disrespectful things you both said about my philosophy and my politics. And that is why I get so emotional whenever we get into a philosophical discussion. But okay, I’m sorry. It’s been a long, long time and perhaps you respect my positions a bit more now.
April 10, 2011 23:49:39 (GMT Time)



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Comments:I did mean Sawada, Shanawa, sorry. Now say that ten times fast! Gene! I simply don't want hurt feelings - either yours or Marc's or mine and I am sure you feel the same way. That is all and no I do not want you to go away or the guestbook to go blank or Marc to go away or anyone to go away. So let's keep up the good work!
April 10, 2011 21:03:07 (GMT Time)



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Comments:I believe you meant Sawada.
April 10, 2011 18:47:40 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Joe I am not Japanese and my family dose not live in Japan. At least that is how I read you post. I am trying to get together a letter to send to the People from Japan that walked with us. May be some of you all can do this at the reunion. I know we have enough compassion to do something.
April 10, 2011 18:20:57 (GMT Time)



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Comments:By the way, Joe... You posted here just a few days ago this remark: “Gene, thank you for being infinitely, you!” Argumentative is what I am! May I still be myself? I love a philosophical fight, don't you? But, okay - no more scuffling with you guys. Peace on this page as far as I am concerned. Let it go blank again.
April 10, 2011 16:59:18 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Yes, Joe, I over-reacted! It all comes down in the end to my style. Instead of admonishing me for my manner of speaking, why don’t you address the philosophical points I made? Marc at least did that. But that’s okay. You are who you are, Marc is who he is, and I am who I am. I, like Bruno and Cyrano de Bergerac, feel very strongly about philosophy and I do get emotional. Shall I apologize to you and Marc and just go away?
April 10, 2011 16:20:34 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Sorry that you seemed to upset Gene. I thought our discussion was interesting and stimulating intellectually and spiritually. Marc did not seem to me to be disrespecting you, but rather to be engaging you and me in the spirit of the discussion. Do you think that you might have over reacted a bit?
April 10, 2011 11:45:55 (GMT Time)



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Comments:I do not have any information on the Japanese who walked with us on the GPM other than Shanawa. He is alive and well in Los Angeles. His family is alive and well in Japan.
April 10, 2011 11:43:00 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Does anyone have information on the Japanese that were on the GPM. I would like to send an email to as many as I can find to send my condolences and tell them that there are people here in the U.S. that care and hope for their recovery. I will look on facebook to see if I can find some of them on there. Maybe we could sign something together as the GPM after all they did come all the way over here to walk with us and had the same dreams of riding the world of nuclear weapons. What has happened there is so sad and devastating. We should collectively come together and wish them well. Do you agree?
April 10, 2011 07:49:17 (GMT Time)



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Comments:When I was on the Longest Walk 2 we had over 20 walkers from Japan. 6 of the people that walked with us are still missing. Please take time to reflect or pray in the way you do for these walkers.
April 9, 2011 15:37:00 (GMT Time)



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Comments:I thank ye and sing thy praises, Merciful Ted, amen, forever and ever.
April 9, 2011 07:18:38 (GMT Time)



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Comments:That's okay....I forgive you.
April 9, 2011 06:56:14 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Okay! Let's leave it at that for now. It's been fun and we have entertained the folks here (and ourselves too!) as we have not done in a long, long time. Yes, LONG LIVE THE PEACE MARCH PAGE. (Joe: I'm sorry I did not send a few bucks to you at your last appeal. I will do so now.)
April 9, 2011 06:51:01 (GMT Time)



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Comments:oh, and no, actually, I was not kidding when I wrote that the materialist/atheist explanation of reality is no more self-evident than a belief in the existence of a God/creator. I absolutely meant that. To me, the interaction of matter cannot explain the miracle (forgive the term) of consciousness. I just find that too much to swallow, that consciousness is a chemical accident. But as I owned previously, that's just my intuitive hit, and I'm not sure of anything and, Gene, you are much more well read than I am in philosophy. I don't know the first thing about "Huxley's agnosticism." I only know my own, which works for me most of the time. But I promise I won't support the burning of anyone at the stake for disagreeing with me, so I hope maybe that will set your mind at ease a bit. (smiling)
April 9, 2011 05:05:28 (GMT Time)



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Comments:ha! Gene, you have exposed yourself for the closet agnostic I always suspected you are. You wrote: "The real mystery is why there should be a reality at all. Why everything rather than nothing? The only answer we can make is it's here, we're part of it, so let's accept it, enjoy it, understand it." EXACTLY! You pose the essential question and then admit there is no answer! (except for the "understand it" part which I don't understand) Hurrah! So we agree! Yeah, brother! As to whether I joke or not, you are correct that I approach our discussion lightheartedly. But I can't tell if YOU'RE joking! Do you REALLY think our debate is a matter of life and death? And that I have a "forked tongue"? Hm. I think you're just trying to provoke me and apparently you've succeeded because I'm responding--so YOU WIN!! A clarification: When I wrote that the ultimate nature of reality cannot be known--I meant it cannot be known by a human mind. Someone somewhere might know it, like in some other galaxy.
April 9, 2011 04:55:43 (GMT Time)



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Comments:The only answer we can make is it’s here, we’re part of it, so let’s accept it, enjoy it, understand it. Finally, Marc, because you often speak with your tongue in your cheek (if not with a forked tongue in your mouth) I never know when you are joking. Surely you jest when you say “I don’t think the materialist/atheist explanation of the universe is any more ‘self-evident’ or rational than a belief in the existence of God (Ted).” Yes, you are kidding! You betray yourself when you add that tag “Ted” at the end of your trip. No, I don’t take you seriously. You’re playing with me and hoping you can beat me as easily in philosophy as you do in chess. But I will checkmate you every single time! You have only at your side a few word tricks. But I have... well, they say the possible number of moves in a chess game is more than all the atoms in the universe. I have that entire infinite universe behind me.
April 9, 2011 01:01:02 (GMT Time)



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Comments:You, Marc, are still young. You’re still sitting on the fence philosophically. You haven’t made up your mind yet. The evidence is not all in. You can’t be sure. (Well, you are very sure of ONE thing: you are absolutely sure that “the ultimate nature of reality... CANNOT be known.”) But otherwise you can’t be sure. Of what? That there is an objective material world? Well, your mind may be agnostic, but your body is materialist with every step it takes. Your body never questions for a second the ground on which it walks. The squirrel when it leaps through the air from one tree, never hesitates for a millisecond hanging in doubt whether the next tree exists. No more does your body. There IS objective reality. And infinity is not such a mystery. Actually, it is the only logical conclusion from a starting point of objective reality and the fact of causality. The real mystery is why there should be a reality at all. Why everything rather than nothing?
April 9, 2011 00:59:21 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Huxley did not say (as you do) that “the ultimate nature of reality... CANNOT be known.” You capitalize CANNOT as if it is an absolute principle that reality cannot be known. Huxley said no such thing. Huxley said “In matters of the intellect follow your reason as far as it will take you, without regard to any other consideration and do not pretend that conclusions are certain which are not demonstrated or demonstrable. That I take to be the agnostic faith.” We have an Atheist/Agnostic club here at Rossmoor with 150 members, and early on we were split about 50/50 among atheists and agnostics. Agnosticism is perceived to be, after all, more reasonable, more open-minded than “dogmatic” atheism. But now the great majority of our members have decided they are atheists pure and simple. Of course, these are all folks in their 70’s (like me), 80’s, 90’s and one woman is over a hundred.
April 9, 2011 00:57:48 (GMT Time)



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Comments:His follower Epicurus, the sweetest and noblest of all philosophers, has been trivialized. And HIS follower, Omar Khayyam, has been sentimentalized. Spinoza is misrepresented. But that’s nothing. Cyrano de Bergerac was assassinated and we know what happened to Bruno. Darwin is dismissed and derided, denounced and denied. But also defended! And his strongest defender was T.H. Huxley, the very man who coined the term ‘agnosticism.’ Huxley was called “Darwin’s Bulldog,” so ferociously did he defend Darwin’s materialist conception of evolution and natural selection. And yes, Huxley himself was a materialist. “I am compelled perforce to believe,” said T.H. Huxley, “in the immortality of what we call Matter and Force...” Yes, Huxley spoke of the “wonder of the conservation of force and the indestructibility of matter...” His agnosticism was not yours, Marc.
April 9, 2011 00:56:32 (GMT Time)



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Comments:You won this one? No, Marc! You beat me in every game of chess we played, but I am the grandmaster in THIS game. No, it is NOT a game! It is deadly serious. It is life and death. It is not just our little tit-for-tat on this Peace March chat. Philosophy is a game of chess played for keeps, and when one side loses it is not just a matter of putting the pieces back in the chest. It is placing the bodies down in a coffin. The materialist philosophy is terribly threatening to the rich and powerful. Plato, that fat (his very name means ‘chubby’) and wealthy darling of the upper class hated Democritus and demanded that all his books be burned. Plato’s own book, “The Republic,” is a blueprint for fascism. Democritus was, as his name denotes, “of the people.” This very great materialist philosopher came up – way back in ancient Greece – with the most brilliant conjecture in all of science – the atomic theory. But of his 60 books only fragments survive.
April 9, 2011 00:55:10 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Oy. Love you, Joe, but why is it that every philosophical discussion, it seems, always ends up with someone telling me I need to read a certain book? Love you too, Gene, but I am not going to read your book either. Right now I'm reading Cold Sassy Tree by Olive Burns and after that I'll probably read Chess Story by Stephen Zweig, or Cutting for Stone which I've heard is excellent. Sorry guys, but I have my own agenda when it comes to reading, and several unread novels on my bookshelf are waiting for me like unopened chocolate. By the way, just because I am an agnostic, does not mean that I don't have spiritual beliefs. I'm just not certain of any of them, and they're kind of vague and they sometimes change. My parents, incidentally, were Jewish-atheist. They were committed to instilling a Jewish identity in me, they had me go to temple on the high holidays and they made sure I was bar mitzvahed but they explicitly did not believe in God. I think that's kinda cool actually.
April 8, 2011 22:13:46 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Mysteries are mysteries and god does not explain the ultimate mysteries to me that is for sure. I just had to say that again to my poor mother who remains a Roman Catholic of sorts who believes in Jesus Christ as her personal savior. I have a book for you Gene and for you too Marc. It is called Buddhism Without Beliefs by Stephen Bachelor.
April 8, 2011 21:52:19 (GMT Time)



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Comments:I should have said that if infinity is a mystery, what sense does it make to "explain" it with atheism/materialism? "I don't understand infinity but I'm sure that materialistic cause-and-effect stretches back forever." Huh? Wha?
April 8, 2011 06:32:36 (GMT Time)



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Comments:That's it in a nutshell, Joe. The origins of existence are a mystery. Hence I'm an agnostic. Agnostic means literally that the ultimate nature of reality, God, what-have-you CANNOT be known. So I guess I "win" this one, huh, Gene? (JUST KIDDING!)But seriously, I think materialism/atheism is just as much a chosen belief system as any religion. I don't think the materialist/atheist explanation of the universe is any more "self-evident" or rational than a belief in the existence of God (Ted).
April 8, 2011 06:30:18 (GMT Time)



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Comments:The riddle is, who are you? I'd love to respond to you but I do not know who 'you' is.
April 8, 2011 05:26:17 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Sorry, the riddle I refer to at the bottom of the last text is, if “Matter cannot be created nor destroyed; it simply changes form.” where did the first matter come from? I see since I spent time writing the last comment that the conversation seems to have taken a "god" spin. I did not intend to make god the focus of the last response.... but what I am wondering is if matter is energy, can you except that energy simply is. No beginning, no end, just recycled and reused to form matter or make the wind blow. Or do you need even energy to have a beginning (date) and ending (date)?
April 8, 2011 04:52:05 (GMT Time)



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Comments:I thought that matter is really not matter but energy that is vibrating on a very minute level that we can not perceive. That matter, or "stuff" that we think is stagnant, is really in motion. That the particles that make up my kitchen counter is not really something solid, but something "alive", changing and in constant motion. If matter is simply organized energy rather than some-thing solid, could it just be (forever and always)? And is God in the perpetual motion of things? The perpetual energy that makes up everything, even matter? Could this energy not be infinite? Or do you need the energy to come from something in order to solve your riddle?
April 8, 2011 04:25:08 (GMT Time)



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Comments:I should have said that if infinity is a mystery, what sense does it make to "explain" it with a god (whatever that is!) - an even greater mystery!
April 8, 2011 04:18:52 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Sure infinity is a mystery. But is a god a rational explanatin?
April 8, 2011 04:03:56 (GMT Time)



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April 8, 2011 03:05:02 (GMT Time)



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Comments:A first cause flatly contradicts the common sense knowledge that everything comes from something. But an infinite chain of cause takes us to places we cannot imagine. How can we accept or believe that which we cannot conceive? There are problems either way. Best to drop the whole thing – forget about it; it’s too tough. Or, as you say, go with your intuition. My intuition is that the universe is infinite and eternal. Why? Because the greatest Greek philosophers said so – Democritus, Epicurus and others. Bruno suffered his tongue to be torn from his mouth and his body to be torched, but he died insisting on an infinite universe. Shakespeare's favorite poet Ovid said so: “Omnia mutantur, nihil interit.” And that was what science confirmed 2,000 years later: “Matter cannot be created nor destroyed; it simply changes form.” Whew! That’s enough for me on this subject. I got to get back to writing a book I hope to show you at the reunion.
April 8, 2011 00:28:25 (GMT Time)



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Comments:You see the dishonesty in this. It is just as dishonest as the Christian who was caught up in the terrible Japanese earthquake and tsunami in which 12,000 were swept away to sea or crushed under buildings. This man crawled out – he survived! A TV reporter ran up to him and stuck a microphone at his mouth. What did the guy say? “Boy, God was sure with me in that building!” God saved his life. But who killed the 11,999 others? This god gets credit for the least little good thing that happens, but never any blame for the bad. It’s fundamentally dishonest. And so is the reasoning of the god believer who prattles about “first cause” over and over. “There MUST be a first cause.” But the simplest child could pluck him by the sleeve and ask “WHY must there be a first cause? Can you prove there must be a first cause?” No, they simply assert it. That child could say with more justification “There CANNOT be a first cause. It makes no sense.” BUT MORE TO COME
April 7, 2011 23:54:13 (GMT Time)



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Comments:That’s a tough one. We have been grappling with this since we fell from the trees and looked at the stars. “Where does it all come from?” Everything seems to have a cause, what is the cause of the universe? Yes, everything has a cause, and that cause before it had a cause, and so forth and so on... Does this go on ad infinitum? NO! An infinite chain of cause is ruled out. Ruled out by religious thinkers such as Thomas Aquinas. Only god is given the property of infinity, not the material world. They allow material cause to go back only so far. Yes, we came from our parents, and our parents from theirs, and so forth back through the generations – back through the lower animals, the fish - the amoeba! Back to atoms, back to stardust... But the farther back we go the more uncomfortable the theists become. Finally they arbitrarily CUT IT OFF and say “It began here! There is a FIRST cause and it is god.” Where does god come from if everything has a cause? “Oh, he’s always been there.” MORE
April 7, 2011 23:33:53 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Hi all is anyone going on the Great Green March? I will be headed down to Portland this month to see how I can help this walk. Then I will be going down to San Diego, the Bay area and Sacramento to see relatives, friends work on Indigenous issues and just get away from this cold and rain up here. May be some of us could meet up.
April 7, 2011 19:23:02 (GMT Time)



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Comments:by the way, concerning our cosmic scammer, at least we know that he or she is not an autobot. It must be someone who took the time to type (or copy and paste) and then go through the trouble of entering the little code and clicking submit, etc. Maybe Frank H. again, who knows?
April 7, 2011 18:55:58 (GMT Time)



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Comments:No problem, Gene, we're still here. I'm still percolating on the materialist/atheist world view. One problem (so to speak) I have with it is this: If material cause-and-effect stretches back endlessly, that presents a paradox, right? It all had to START at SOME point, right? There would have to have been an original "cause." And what was going on BEFORE the original cause? Since my mind buckles at this "infinity paradox," I assume that my rationality is not adequate to the task of apprehending the basic way that reality works. But, Gene, that does NOT mean I assume the existence of some creator God who sits outside of everything and moves the pieces of the universe around like a puppet master (or chess grandmaster!). I don't see that as the only alternative to a materialist view. My overall hunch is simply that the universe is permeated by (for lack of a better word) intelligence, and all things are connected through this intelligence, and that what arises is not purely accident.
April 7, 2011 18:53:47 (GMT Time)



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Comments:I feel violated! I feel like the time on the March when some nut walked into a town hall tent during a big meeting where he opened the long raincoat he was wearing to expose himself naked. “I’m Jesus Christ,” he announced. “I dismiss you all!” What is this??? Seven pieces of crap on our Peace March Page! I thought we solved the scam problem long ago.
April 7, 2011 14:46:30 (GMT Time)



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Comments:“Another factor in the fearful projections is that the scientists aren’t aware of our assistance or that when we are able to be on the ground in numbers that our technology can dematerialize the reactors and nuclear waste as well as purify the air, soil and water. Also, it’s not known that Earth is orbiting in frequencies where radioactivity is fractured, and her phenomenal healing abilities aren’t recognized either. “With the help of our technological assistance, she can restore her health in months rather than the centuries you calculate as ‘half lives’ of radioactive elements. So look forward with positive attitude — don’t underestimate the power of your thoughts, or call them prayers, for Earth to be in full radiance in the near term. A great deal has to be and WILL be accomplished in the time remaining before the end of next year.”
April 7, 2011 02:47:09 (GMT Time)



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Comments:“I want to mention the positive effect of this situation that’s especially sad for Japan, and for your entire world. The reign of nuclear power there is over. In the hands of third density minds it always has been dangerous and it has no place whatsoever in higher densities. But it is not our prerogative to shut down your facilities or prevent construction of new ones. It is yours, and only your collective demand for that could make it happen. Replacement energy sources already are there, they’ve just been suppressed because they aren’t money-makers like nuclear and fossil fuels are. You will see those “hidden” technologies starting to emerge, again by your intention.
April 7, 2011 02:46:07 (GMT Time)



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Comments:“It doesn’t make sense that the level of radiation that has blown across the ocean is the same level as near the reactors. And yes, we are containing those as much as possible from our ships and also we’re reducing the radiation as much as possible in conjunction with the small crew near the facility. Of course our efforts would be much more effective if the ships’ technology could be used on site, but mercenary troops under dark control are being alerted for readiness “for alien attack” and we can’t risk your safety or the ships’ crews’ by public landings.
April 7, 2011 02:44:48 (GMT Time)



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Comments:“Hatonn here. Hello, Steve! Yes, radiation is worrisome to you, and to us too because of the fear this is creating. Remember, the dark ones are feeding on your fear! We understand that right now the situation to many of you seems too serious to be corrected, but we assure you, it is not! The direst reports coming from the United States are with instruments that aren’t perfected to our standards and are registering higher levels than the actual.
April 7, 2011 02:43:01 (GMT Time)



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Comments:So here is Hatonn reassuring us that we need not fear a radioactive cloud or radioactivity in ocean currents, etc. Tomorrow a new article may appear suggesting some new peril. But we remain in the best hands possible, within the parameters of the natural law and the Divine Plan for this age.
April 7, 2011 02:40:19 (GMT Time)



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Comments:I do not expect the scientific minds who have raised the cry of serious risk to believe our sources. But that does not concern me. I believe our sources and that is what governs my state of mind. At some point we have to cross the bridge of trust regarding the galactics. We can’t expect each question we have to be answered or, if it is answered, responded to with the fulness we might like, until after disclosure and first contact. At some point we need to accept that the galactics are seeing to our wellbeing to the fullest extent allowable by natural law and relax our tendency to worry about our future unnecessarily. Yes, there will continue to be Earth changes and these no one can prevent, though the galactics will mitigate them wherever possible. But there is no pending catastrophe for the world. And, yes, the galactics are doing everything possible and allowable to ensure our wellbeing.
April 7, 2011 02:38:31 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Given the level of concern about alleged radioactivity approaching North America, I asked Suzy Ward to ask Hatonn to comment on the threat posed by the situation. Hatonn is a galactic fleet commander and in charge of all communication between Earth and elsewhere. Matthew Ward has already commented on the situation with radioactivity in Japan but the question of radioactivity travelling to North America has not arisen. Hatonn has here addressed the problems in the reasoning of scientists who have “measured” the radioactive threat to North America and in the technology used to measure it. He points out that the scientists are not aware of galactic measures to contain the radiation and he adds that, as soon as the galactics can land, the remaining radioactivity will be cleaned up in fairly rapid fashion. Overall he invites us not to fear and not to worry.
April 7, 2011 02:35:04 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Yes Ovid! So glad to see you here! With those four Latin words you said it all: “Omnia mutantur, nihil interit: Everything changes, nothing perishes.” You also said “Carmina sublimis tunc sunt peritura Lucreti exitio terras cum dabit una dies: The verses of the sublime Lucretius will perish only when a day will bring the end of the world.” In other words, the philosophy of the poet Lucretius, the preeminent poet of materialism, will NEVER perish from the earth. So Ovid, our friend on the Peace March Page, you are quite a materialist yourself. But that Marc should express so perfectly and exactly what I and Ovid and Lucretius are talking about... – I still can’t get over it.
April 6, 2011 23:16:41 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Thank you, Gene. I'm really touched and moved by your praise! Really. So now we have a ground for further discussion perhaps. I think I may have more to say about the materialist position, but at the moment my material brain is a little distracted. But I will say this--I certainly don't think I could possibly refute such a point of view, even if I'm not sure it fits my own intuitive apprehension of reality. More to come later! Oh and hey, Ovid, thanks for stopping by.
April 6, 2011 21:28:09 (GMT Time)



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Comments:"Omnia mutantur, nihil interit."
April 6, 2011 20:04:01 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Marc, you understand me so clearly and express my feelings so beautifully that you take my breath away. I mean it! That’s the most poetic expression I’ve ever seen of the materialist philosophy. And I am including such great materialist philosophers as Democritus (he of the atomic theory), Epicurus (the universe is infinite and eternal), Lucretius (“On the Nature of Things” - what a poem!), and my hero Cyrano de Bergerac, a great materialist and the boldest atheist of his time (that’s why he got into so many swordfights!). Yours is a magnificent statement of a philosophical position rarely allowed to be heard. Or if it is, totally misrepresented. It is hardly ever given a fair hearing. If it sometimes is, it is misunderstood. But not by you! You got it.
April 6, 2011 19:53:09 (GMT Time)



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Comments:To paraphrase a song I'm sure we all remember: "I am a human/And I love my body/Because my body/Is all I know" I guess I'm also paraphrasing Ted (God) and maybe Joe, and maybe even Gene. Gene, just to make sure I understand your point--not to argue it, but just to be clear so I know I know what you mean--We can perceive cause and effect in the material world; we can reason that this material cause-and-effect dynamic stretches back and forward across infinite time; and therefore we can infer that reality is essentially material and all things arise out of cause-and-effect interactions between matter. All phenomena, including trees, planets, thoughts, musical notes, Shakespeare's poetry etc. are rooted in this vast materialistic, um, stew. Or Petri dish. Or test tube. Or cosmic legos or what-have-you. And in this logical model, there is no need to superimpose a god or creator. Hence atheism. Just asking--do I understand you correctly?
April 6, 2011 17:14:27 (GMT Time)



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Comments:With Ted’s right-on remarks ‘bout the body and Joe putting the whole question on firm ground (“If infinity includes everything, then everything that we experience is [part of the] infinite!”), with Marc agreeing with all, we have come to a rare and beautiful harmony about a very difficult subject. I hope this does not mean the Peace March Page will go blank again. What else can we tackle?
April 6, 2011 15:09:19 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Infinity is right here and right now to be experienced. It cannot be grasped by dualistic thought that is for sure, but that does not mean that it cannot be experienced. It beggars intellectual comprehension, but not experience. If infinity includes everything, then everything that we experience is infinite! Along with Ted(god) I say that the body/non-dualistic mind are the ground of the infinite. It does not require god(Ted) or religion and can be experienced by agnostics and atheists and pagans and Buddhists and Christians(well maybe not them).
April 6, 2011 13:33:38 (GMT Time)



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Comments:That said...time is linear 'cause I say so. Oh, and Marc...I generally play down the I am God thing...
April 6, 2011 07:09:22 (GMT Time)



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Comments:...our skepticism and ambiguous systems of belief. The body is the only place where any basis for real values exists anymore. Something like Mishima's "Sun and Steel" is fascinating because it returns again and again to the body.
April 6, 2011 07:06:55 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Mondo2000: Your own books always return to the site of the body: as a source of power, as a center of struggle for power, as the place we finally exist, as opposed to our thoughts. Why generally are you so interested in the body? Kathy Acker: When reality-the meanings associated with reality-is up for grabs-which is certainly Wittgenstein's main theme and one of the central problems in philosophy and art ever since the end of the 19th century-then the body itself becomes the only thing you can return to. You can talk about sexuality as a social phenomenon, so that's up for grabs. You can talk about any intellectual concept and it's up for grabs, because anything can mean anything, any thought can lead into another thought and thus be completely perverted-you get to Baudrillard's black hole. But when you get to the actual physical act of sexuality, or of bodily disease, there's an undeniable materiality, which isn't up for grabs. So it's the body which finally can't be touched by all..
April 6, 2011 07:03:32 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Fair enough, Marc. And your agnosticism is a logical conclusion from my remarks about infinity. I guess I gave you that opening – or that out, I should say. But you chose to pick up on only one side of my thought – the side that emphasized the inability of our minds to encompass infinity. You did not honor the other side: the ability of our minds – AND BODIES – to ascertain objective reality, matter in motion, the world of cause and effect leading to an infinite regression. Matter in motion for ever and ever! I am a materialist in philosophy, and that is why I call myself an atheist.
April 6, 2011 06:02:38 (GMT Time)



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Comments:okay, now at least we have established 2 things: 1. Ted is God (I suspected as much) 2. Gene has fine taste in poetry. BTW, Gene, I agree with everything you said about infinity--that we cannot wrap our minds around it. And that, in a nutshell, is how I feel about the universe, ultimate reality, the question of God, you name it. Beyond our comprehension. That is why I call myself agnostic.
April 6, 2011 05:28:54 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Time is Chaotic....radiating from Me....every second (microsecond, nanosecond, picosecond) a thousand of Me radiate outward into Infinity. My perception is of the physical Me, now, here...my imagining encompassing all of Me everywhere, everytime...but all I know is all I can touch and prove..my imagination remains alone. I dream of you... sometimes waking dreams..sometimes so real I reach out for you (not you) and awake wondering why you aren't there with me (on the March you perv). And I can't trust any of it...ym brina filsl ni het spceas caesu ym brnia wokrs ni nariterav.
April 6, 2011 05:09:39 (GMT Time)



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Comments:All three of us are having problems with infinity and it’s no wonder. I think it’s because not only as Joe says, “the very concept of infinity beggars all measurement,” but because it beggars all comprehension. We have never known infinity – cannot know it. Absolutely everything in our experience is finite! The galaxies themselves are finite. Our finite minds just cannot grasp infinity. We symbolize it with a ‘lazy eight,’ or create mathematical formulas to represent it, but we cannot wrap our minds around infinity itself. That the universe goes on forever and ever with no beginning and no end is practically impossible to imagine. And yet religious people have no problem at all. They say their god exists through infinity and all eternity. If that can be so, why not a material universe that exists through infinity and all eternity? Matter in motion for ever and ever! Matter/energy (Einstein) cannot be created nor destroyed. Isn’t that the first law of science? I love your poem, Marc!
April 6, 2011 01:12:38 (GMT Time)



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Comments:hmm . . . Joe, you may be thinking bigger than I can follow you here. Hence I have decapitalized my name again.
April 5, 2011 21:50:42 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Everything is a part of infinity, no? We measure such things all the time and every day, but the very concept of infinity beggars all measurement doesn't it?
April 5, 2011 20:34:00 (GMT Time)



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Comments:what about measuring just a piece of infinity? Does that make sense? I mean, let's say space is infinite. For practical purposes, my desk is still about 7 feet wide. Let's say time is infinite. For practical purposes I am still 23 years old (give or take a few decades). By the way, Gene was quoting Shakespeare on this general subject, and I too wrote a relevant poem, back when I was taking a course called "Physics for Skeptics" at the University Florida in 1977. Gene, you can tell me honestly how well this measures up to Shakespeare. :::clearing my throat::: Here goes: "Einstein went to heaven 'cuz he did the best he could/Although he wasn't perfect he was relatively good!"
April 5, 2011 20:22:32 (GMT Time)



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Comments:As a refugee of the Catholic church let me say that since its inception The Roman Catholic Church has been the most violent, damaging and corrupt institution on the earth. So I could not agree with you more about the fate of Bruno. But on the subject of time, would you not agree that if infinity is immeasurable that it cannot be viewed in linear terms which imply measurement?
April 5, 2011 20:07:36 (GMT Time)



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Comments:“How do we measure that which does not change? How do we measure the absolute - the infinite? Do we reject the concept of infinity? Can infinity be measured by linear time?” You ask some tough questions. Here’s how I would answer: “That which does not change”? I would say that EVERYTHING changes. The only ABSOLUTE is change. The infinite is IMMEASURABLE. “Extending indefinitely” is the very definition of infinity - “having no limits or boundaries in time or space or extent or magnitude.” I do not reject the concept of infinity but embrace it with Bruno who proposed an unbounded universe: “Innumerable suns exist; innumerable earths revolve around these suns in a manner similar to the way the seven planets revolve around our sun. Living beings inhabit these worlds.” Of course the Catholic Church threw Bruno in a dark dungeon for eight years, then dragged him out to a blazing market place and roasted him to death by fire. Cut out his tongue first! His judges called Bruno an atheist.
April 5, 2011 16:20:12 (GMT Time)



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Comments:How delightful! Who says that this guestbook's time has passed? While changing time zones yesterday as I flew from Colorado to Florida, I was transported ahead in time by two hours and back in time by about 42 years as I relived several incidents with my then 7-year old brother. I am trying to sort out my 49-year relationship with my brother and grappling with the ways in which he and I have changed over the years and how tenuous our relationship has become over the decades. Occasionally the same question arises in my GPM/IPW relationships. You seem to say Gene that time measures change, no - that time always moves in relationship to something else. How do we measure that which does not change? How do we measure the absolute - the infinite? Do we reject the concept of infinity? Can infinity be measured by linear time? Do Ted's dreams and my daydreams conform to linear time? I believe in the infinite, the absolute, but it is not a god-figure. Gene, thank you for being infinitely, you!
April 5, 2011 14:32:30 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Time is linear, our perceptions are chaotic. When I dream I see you sometimes as you are (or at least when I saw you last) and as you were 25 years ago. whether that's just random brain cells bringing up images, or quanta reaching back in time I don't know. I know my thinking has changed the last few years as I sometimes meditate on the tens of thousands of cell calls around me beaming imperceptible energy to thousands of receivers, able to deliniate, sort, and find recipients in milliseconds, and transmit the vast bandwidth of voices, and imagery. To think that the Universe doesn't do the same in some manner becomes harder to disbelieve everyday.
April 4, 2011 15:18:25 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Well, our posts are coming fast and thick through time and we’re sorta stepping on each other’s toes. But I have to conclude with Sonnet XIX in its entirety: “Devouring Time, blunt thou the lion’s paws/And make the earth devour her own sweet brood/Pluck the keen teeth from the fierce tiger’s jaws/And burn the long-lived Phoenix in her blood/Make glad and sorry seasons as thou fleet’st/And do whate’er thou wilt, swift-footed Time/To the wide world and all her fading sweets/But I forbid thee one most heinous crime/Oh, carve not with thy hours my love’s fair brow/Nor draw no lines there with thine antique pen/Him in thy course untainted do allow/For beauty’s pattern to succeeding men/Yet do thy worst, old Time: despite thy wrong/My love shall in my verse ever live young.” Ah yes, Marc: “eternally youthful.” That’s just what Shakespeare promises. In his poetry we will “ever live young.”
April 3, 2011 23:28:29 (GMT Time)



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Comments:The opening of Sonnet II: “When forty winters shall besiege thy brow/And dig deep trenches in thy beauty’s field...” From Sonnet V: “For never-resting time leads summer on/To hideous winter, and confounds him there/Sap checked with frost and lusty leaves quite gone/Beauty o’er-snowed and bareness everywhere...” Two lines from Sonnet XV: “When I consider everything that grows/Holds in perfection but a little moment.” And for Sonnet XII - “When I do count the clock that tells the time/And see the brave day sunk in hideous night/When I behold the violet past prime/And sable curls all silvered o’er with white/When lofty trees I see barren of leaves/Which erst from heat did canopy the herd/And summer’s green all girded up in sheaves/Borne on the bier with white and bristly beard/Then of thy beauty do I question make/That thou among the wastes of time must go/Since sweets and beauties do themselves forsake/And die as fast as they see others grow.”
April 3, 2011 23:13:02 (GMT Time)



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Comments:oh but I am eternally youthful. That part is inarguable. Joe is too. Speak for yourself about the ravages of time in the sober light of day, Gene!
April 3, 2011 23:10:02 (GMT Time)



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Comments:you guys crack me up. I'm gonna need some mind expanding drugs to understand this discussion! But seriously (sort of), it boils down to this for me, Gene and Joe: Time is and has always been linear according to my experience and frame of reference. I just don't think my experience or frame of reference is ultimate or absolute. I think human cognition is unimaginably limited (and we can't imagine how limited because we are only human). But hey, it works for a lot of things and it is the best we got so--sorry to disappoint you, Gene--I am going to concede your point!
April 3, 2011 23:06:56 (GMT Time)



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Comments:I am so glad, Joe, that you brought Shakespeare into this. (I did not know that you “adore” him.) The greatest poet of all time has a whole lot to say about time. And when a genius speaks it behooves us to listen. Einstein was not the only genius on planet earth. Robert G. Ingersoll said “Shakespeare is the greatest genius of our world – the highest mountain, the broadest river, the most perfect gem.” It is said that Shakespeare is the supreme poet because he is all-inclusive, “he held the mirror up to nature.” That is, he reflected the workings of nature – not only human nature, the hearts and souls of women and men, but physical nature as well such as the change of seasons. And this is the key word: CHANGE. Shakespeare took from his favorite poet Ovid the idea that all things change; nothing remains the same. Time, time, the passing of time! “Devouring time,” he calls it in the Sonnets.
April 3, 2011 23:02:35 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Yes, Joe, a good kick start to a discussion. I propose that we bring others in on the discussion too. Here are some random opinions from the Internet: “Actually, time doesn’t exist except in the mind of man.” That I utterly reject as stupid solipsism. Here is one much more to my thinking: “If there’s a sense in which time could be illusory, I think perhaps it’s that people commonly think of time as passing or flowing. It’s not time that’s flowing. It’s matter and energy that are flowing. Time is simply our measurement of the rate of flow.” To say the same more simply: “When you measure ‘time,’ all you really ever measure is change.” And here is one I like but can’t verify yet: “Stephen Hawking considers time linear. In special relativity, time is linear. In general relativity, time is linear. In all of Newtonian mechanics, time is linear. I’m not qualified to have an opinion about whether time is linear in string theory.” Good quotes to kick start, no?
April 3, 2011 19:41:20 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Consider yourself engaged Gene, though I am less passionate about linear versus non-linear time than you or Marc seem to be. However, if you accept quantum physics then do you not accept non-linear time? Does this have something to do with atheism or Shakespeare, Gene? Doesn't everything? Is quantum physics a rejection of Newtonian physics and hence Shakespeare? I assure you my dear friend that I adore Shakespeare and rely on Newton daily. Is quantum physics a matter of faith that must be rejected by non-believer? Have I pushed enough of your buttons to kick start this discussion?
April 3, 2011 17:53:27 (GMT Time)



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Comments:“The sense that time is linear is a dream,” Marc asserts. “Einstein proved that all time is simultaneous, just like space.” Well, it is time for me and Marc to engage again in those epic debates we used to have here on this page for the fun of all. Was it a dream that time ran out on Einstein – that in April of 1955 (76 years of LINEAR TIME since his birth - not a dream!) he died of internal bleeding caused by the rupture of an artery in his stomach? Joe: You need not “go with all space/time is simultaneous.” That’s silly. I grant you that at the reunion as we sit in the dark around the campfire with the smoke in our eyes (perhaps some smoke in our brains!) we will have an ILLUSION for a time that we are still back in the desert. But in the harsh light of sober day the ravages of 25 years time will be writ all too conspicuously on our faces and in our bodies. Dream if you like that time is not linear. Dream of heaven too! Yes, dream of eternal life after death. Won’t you get real?
April 2, 2011 22:45:08 (GMT Time)



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March 31, 2011 12:05:54 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Speaking just for myself, I'm still walking in the desert because I can't really see where I'm headed. (I hope that's clarifying.)
March 29, 2011 20:13:18 (GMT Time)



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Comments:OK, I will go with all space/time is simultaneous, but how do we actually experience a different space/time other than here/now? In what form are we walking in the desert now?
March 29, 2011 12:12:51 (GMT Time)



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Comments:the sense that time is linear is a dream. Really. Einstein proved it. All time is simultaneous, just like space. Do you understand the implications of this, Joe? We will ALWAYS be walking in the desert . . . (I could think of worse fates)
March 28, 2011 21:19:11 (GMT Time)



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Comments:That we were walking in the desert a full 25 years ago is not a dream, but the feeling that it was only yesterday is a dream. Or is it the other way around?
March 28, 2011 13:21:05 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Just want to send a big fat thank-you shout out to Lori, Laura, Angie and everyone else who is organizing the upcoming reunion. GREAT WORK! And Joe, in answer to your question, don't you know time is a dream? Peace and love!
March 26, 2011 03:47:18 (GMT Time)



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Email:
HomePage:http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001994298199
Comments: The Peace Flag Flies at Stoddard Wells once more! My trip to Stoddard Wells was a trip through time and space and the memories in between. I've posted some photos and info on my FaceBook wall for your perusal. Martin "Born Again" Hippie
March 24, 2011 23:07:30 (GMT Time)



Name:Tall Bicycle Frank
Email:www.memoryvault.yes
HomePage:http://
Comments:Happy Equinox dear Marchers. 25 years of success, in that the world is still here, at least for now. We will be there at Ventura and love the idea of mild summer weather. Daytime temps like Colorado and nights like Oregon; the best of both worlds. We are praying for Japan and for ourselves, knowing we are all one on this lovely planet. As always, time will tell. Love to all from the Sahlems.
March 22, 2011 06:03:12 (GMT Time)



Name:lori
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:I agree with Shanawa and her concerns for Japan. And I have no graceful way to go from the concerns we all have for Japan to information about the 25th reunion. I feel this information should be given out as soon as possible since people are trying to firm up their Summer plans. For information and registration for the 25th reunion, go to: https://sites.google.com/site/gpmreunion/ Print the registration form and mail form and payment to the address on the form. Please let other marchers know about the web site. Thank you
March 16, 2011 02:11:09 (GMT Time)



Name:Shanawa
Email:
HomePage:
Comments:A Hydrogen Explosion Has Occured at a Japanese Nuclear Power Plant. So sad what is going on there. There are three other nuclear power plants in danger of a meltdown. Take a moment and meditate or pray in the way you do for this disaster to subside and that help comes to the people of Japan.
March 14, 2011 04:42:34 (GMT Time)



Name:Diane Hara
Email:krazy4peace{at}aol.com
HomePage:http://
Comments:Howdy everyone, We had a wonderful celebration of 25years ago yesterday at the steps of the LA city hall. We enjoyed those who could make it and remembered those who could not. I am trying to put together a Life Faire and Concert for August 6th. I have a speaker and would love to get Wild Wimmin and Collective Vision together on stage again. I would love any of you who would like to participate in this event to brush up on your performance skills. Our talented people gave us strength on the march and will continue to do the same now. Alexandra Paul asked yesterday (paraphrase) What will keep the march from fading from memory, or how do we keep it alive? Well I would like to bring out the press, any film, journalism,art etc students to come out and document this event. I would like to hear form the next generation so speak up. How do you guys feel? Thanks, Diane Hara
March 2, 2011 22:38:49 (GMT Time)



Name:Naneki
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:How can it possibly be 25 yrs since the March? Happy anniversary everybody!! see ya at the reunion!
March 1, 2011 21:35:09 (GMT Time)



Name:Laura M
Email:
HomePage:http://astrangeplacecalledhome.blogspot.com
Comments:To celebrate our 25th anniversary, I am pleased to announce the completion of my memoir, A Strange Place Called Home: My Walk Across America on the Great Peace March. I offer this memoir to you as a gift for the indescribable experience you have given me. Please share it as you wish. http://astrangeplacecalledhome.blogspot.com
March 1, 2011 18:56:27 (GMT Time)



Name:Joe
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Happy March 1st! Where did the 25 years go?
March 1, 2011 12:48:26 (GMT Time)



Name:Jypsy Jim
Email:
HomePage:http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000144217071
Comments:Looking forward to seeing as many of you as possible in Ventura. My internship will be over by then, and I will be sure to secure the time if any permanent job offers come out of it.
February 28, 2011 03:00:05 (GMT Time)



Name:Jypsy Jim
Email:
HomePage:http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000144217071
Comments:Looking forward to seeing as many of you as possible in Ventura. My internship will be over by then, and I will be sure to secure the time if any permanent job offers come out of it.
February 28, 2011 02:59:38 (GMT Time)



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Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:MEDIA ADVISORY FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: Jerry Rubin 310-399-1000 JerryPeaceActivistRubin@earthlink.net "GREAT PEACE MARCH" 25TH ANNIVERSARY PUBLIC COMMEMORATION ON THE DATE AND AT THE LOCATION WHERE THE 1,000+ PERSON, 8 1/2- MONTH CROSS-COUNTRY MARCH BEGAN FROM L.A. TO WASHINGTON D.C. FOR PEACE AND GLOBAL NUCLEAR DISARMAMENT TUESDAY, MARCH 1, 2011 12:00 NOON SPRING STREET STEPS OF LOS ANGELES CITY HALL 200 NORTH SPRING STREET GUEST SPEAKERS: Bill Rosendahl, Los Angeles City Councilman Larry Frank, Los Angeles City Deputy Mayor Fred Segal, Entrepreneur; Peace March Supporter Alexandra Paul, Actress; Activist; Peace March Participant Jerry Rubin. Activist; Peace March Participant Frank Sahlem, Poet; Peace March Participant Dr. Jimmy Hara, Physicians for Social Responsibility Rabbi Leonard I. Beerman AT 12:45 PM THE COMMEMORATION WILL CONCLUDE WITH A SHORT PEACE MARCH AROUND THE PERIMETER OF CITY HALL. FOR FURTHER INFOR
February 23, 2011 03:05:44 (GMT Time)



Name:Maria Lopatic Panagopoulos
Email:mlopatic{at}yahoo.com
HomePage:http://
Comments:I am looking for any information about our fellow marcher who has marched on several years ago..Bill Patterson.He was an artist, retired Pittsburgh steel worker, and wore a Pittsbugh Pirates hat as he sketched in "Bic and spit" as he would say. I wonder how he died, when, etc...I would appreciate it. Please e-mail me...mlopatic@yahoo.com. Thanks
February 20, 2011 06:45:53 (GMT Time)



Name:James
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:I look forward to reading another "version" Laura. I think I've read all the available ones so far: Gene's, Martin's, Franklin's, Anne's, Sue's and Ashley's. I've had the experience with all of them, but perhaps most so with Ashley's because she wrote about every single day, of reading a line that jog's loose a memory and suddenly a whole day opens up in my my mind full of details I hadn't thought of since then. Amazing what's stored up there waiting for the key to unlock it.
February 15, 2011 20:11:10 (GMT Time)



Name:Laura M
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Thank you, Gene, for your kind words of support. I wonder if you would consider making "Lost Notebooks" into a blog. I can't say it's an easy process, but it's a great way to get your work out there for others to read. I feel strongly that there's not enough written about the GPM, especially considering the unique perspective each and every one of us had. Those perspectives are what Howard Zinn meant by "a people's history." Our story can only be told by us, and only a few have done so. I am, by the way, one of the thousands who have read "Lost Notebooks." They are, one would say, an important artifact, not to mention really entertaining reading! If you want to make them into a blog, let me know as I can give you some tips.
February 12, 2011 07:49:00 (GMT Time)



Name:Gene
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:That’s fantastic, Laura! I can’t wait to see your work. It will take its place next to my online book “Lost Journals from the Great Peace March” which is posted on Authors Den. 2357 people have read it on their computers. Yours will catch up to mine in no time.
February 11, 2011 15:56:08 (GMT Time)



Name:Laura M
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Hey, Y'all, to celebrate the 25th anniversary of our departure from Los Angeles, I'll be releasing my memoir about those unforgettable eight-and-a half months on the road. It includes the story of the march based on the journal I kept, many photographs donated by our fellow marchers, and nine original songs I wrote (or co-wrote with Melissa Davis, in the case of "Test Ban Treaty") while on the march. I'm putting on the final touches now, and I'll post the details on this page on MARCH 1st. I'm publishing the book as a blog so all who are interested can read it - for free. You can't believe how writing this memoir has brought all of you back into my mind. I hope the book will do the same for you.
February 10, 2011 21:37:31 (GMT Time)



Name:lori Shields
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments: I spoke with a Ventura ranger last night. He said that the swimming is a bit dangerous off our beach. (Wading, kite surfing and rock collecting were fine activities) but that the beach at Carpenteria is much, much better for swimming. He also said that the closest life guard station to us is two mile away (not 500 yards away which a Ventura life guard told me it was). Sorry for the misinformation. Lori
February 7, 2011 16:27:07 (GMT Time)



Name:Shanawa
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:I don't think I will be attending. I am thinking of going on the Great Green March. I hope all of you have a wonderful time meeting up with each other.
February 6, 2011 19:01:33 (GMT Time)



Name:Lori
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Ida just asked me about swimming. There is a lifeguard station on Emma Wood North Beach. This is 500 yrds from the South Emma Wood State Beach where we are camping. We can swim at our own risk on the South beach. We can shower off with cold water in an out-door shower located near our comfort station (bathroom). Our camping sites are 200 yrds from the ocean. There are also hiking trails. Wind and kite surfing (whatever that is) and a great bike trail. There is a Von's grocery store 3/4 mile from the camp site. And I read that there is fishing as well. There will be a fair happening at the Ventura fair grounds not too far from our camp site so some evenings there may be fireworks as well.
February 3, 2011 22:43:30 (GMT Time)



Name:Gene
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Yes, Ventura for our big 25th Anniversary Reunion! Thanks, organizers. We will be there.
February 3, 2011 16:11:45 (GMT Time)



Name:Sonia
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Disregard my suggestion about Best Friends. I misread Lori's post. See you all in Ventura.
February 3, 2011 15:31:30 (GMT Time)



Name:Joe
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:We are excited and plan to attend (Alexander, Natasha, Joe and Lori). Barbara Cone-Milazzo has been organizing the California reunions for many years. Coleen and Dennis Ashley's daughter Jessie and her husband Evan live in Ventura County. Barbara is an excellent organizer if she has the time to help. I also think that Evan is very involved with the Ventura peace community and has organized events in that county.
February 2, 2011 22:39:32 (GMT Time)



Name:Sonia Cota-Robles
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Thanks so much for reserving a site, Lori and Angie. If you build it, they will come .... although, invariably, a few of them won't be able to come for one reason or another..... The dates you have chosen will work for most teachers, which was the group Bj and I found ourself most trying to accomodate with dates in 2006. Lori, Colleen was organizing the California reunions and she has passed away. I'm not sure who was helping her or who picked up the slack. If no one responds to your question, you might scroll down lower on this site and see who was providing information about it last year. I have a master list of the Silver Thread (5 years old now) if that would be of any help to you. You can email me at gato(at)opus1.com or call me at 520-248-1961. A note to animal lovers out there: the Best Friends Animal Sanctuary is near Zion so you can make this a two for the price of one trip and volunteer to walk dogs for a day! You do have to make arrangements in advance, though.
February 2, 2011 21:00:12 (GMT Time)



Name:lori
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:I thought I was being funny with that last comment but maybe I was just being rude. I have no idea if the site we have now is wheel chair friendly. Mim (I think that was/is her name) always seemed to get everywhere in hers. I am sorry the dates are a challenge for people. There were no group camping sites left in July. We were aiming for the first weekend in August and in order to get most of the sites, we had to book the last day in July and ask for the site for a solid week. Then Angie got lucky and scored the last group site on Feb. 1st. We are willing to give up the sites if someone else comes up with a better idea. I am hoping someone will tell me who coordinated the last California annual reunion. I think they will be helpful to talk to.
February 2, 2011 19:56:57 (GMT Time)



Name:lori
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:I hope you can make it! Try hard! And we will have a 30th complete with wheel chair ramps and oxygen tanks! (if need be)
February 2, 2011 19:02:08 (GMT Time)



Name:Naneki
Email:cu{at}thereunion?
HomePage:http://
Comments:Hey Ladies, thanks for finding a site for the GPM reunion. Unfortunately, the new dates are a challenge for me as we have to move from our house at that time. I'm hoping for some kind of miracle so I can attend. I really want to see everyone again and I fear there won't be another reunion to attend...as we all seem to be, well, aging! EEGADS!
February 2, 2011 16:35:41 (GMT Time)



Name:Ted T.
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Sounds good, thanks Sagans for all your efforts.
February 2, 2011 06:53:47 (GMT Time)



Name:Bill O
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Thanks, Lori. That sounds great. Count me in.
February 2, 2011 04:21:02 (GMT Time)



Name:lori Shields
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Angie and I have reserved camping sites for 120 people in tents and 50 people in self-contained RVs at Emma Wood State Beach just outside of Ventura California for July 31 through Aug 7. We believe it will be ok to add more people then that. It is a day use area as well and I do not think someone will come try to count which of us is staying over night. We are close enough to Ventura that I think people will have an easier time finding hotel rooms if they want them. At any rate, will this work for the 25th reunion for you? We will start working on registration forms and fees once we know enough people are interested and once we figure out food and logistics. This should be a fairly reasonably priced option. Can someone tell me who was in charge of the annual California reunion last time? I would like to have their name and a way to contact them. Thanks!
February 2, 2011 03:45:01 (GMT Time)



Name:Sonia Cota-Robles
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:I think Zion is a good idea. Having organized the last big reunion (where rain rather than sun was the challenge of the day), I feel pretty confident in saying that having a few people in the area who are able to work together and are fairly organized matters a lot more than where it is. The biggest challenge of Zion is that it is not near an airport but neither is Joshua Tree and Zion is more affordable, has more shade, and has more connection to march. Plus it has Angie essentially on site and with connections. (No offense to Joshua Tree or its advocates). I'll go where it is and I'll help anyone who organizes it if I can but I am for Zion.
February 1, 2011 23:29:16 (GMT Time)



Name:Martin Hippie
Email:martinhippie{at}yahoo.com
HomePage:http://
Comments:I would not consider a March 12 gathering at Stoddard Wells Road an "official" reunion, more like a "spirit" reunion. I just want to revisit the place in the desert where the Great Peace March died and was reborn. I hope a few others can join me, so maybe it will be a reunion of sorts. If enough people show up, maybe we can provide energy and focus to help make the July reunion happen. It should be a nice time camping in the desert, though, unless we get rain, wind, cold, and hypothermia. (Ah, the memories.) Hope to see you on Stoddard Wells Road this March 11-13. You know the place. Martin Hippie
January 27, 2011 17:56:41 (GMT Time)



Name:Ted T.
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:I think SWR was billed as more of an impromptu gathering than an actual organized thing. You know though, for nostalgias sake..think you could show up and try to repo something?
January 27, 2011 16:49:42 (GMT Time)



Name:Gene
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:So now we have five locations proposed as the site for our 25th anniversary reunion: Joshua Tree, Zion, James’ place, Rossmoor, and Stoddard Wells Road. Shall we vote on these as we voted for the location of our 15th anniversary reunion? If you remember, Iowa was the winner. Which will it be this time?
January 27, 2011 16:46:37 (GMT Time)



Name:Ted T.
Email:tdthomas16{at}aol.com
HomePage:http://
Comments:Fly a flag w/a glowstick and I'll try to find you.
January 27, 2011 06:10:01 (GMT Time)



Name:Martin "Born Again" Hippie
Email:martinhippie{at}yahoo.com
HomePage:http://
Comments:If there is an official GPM reunion in July I’ll be happy to go, but I’m really more interested in celebrating and commemorating the 25th anniversary of the GPM someplace where the Peace March actually went, like, Stoddard Wells Road. So I plan to camp out on Stoddard Wells Road on the weekend of March 11-13, bringing my memories and drums and raising the Peace Flag in the desert once more. Anyone care to join me? We can talk and drum and sing and reminisce and party under the same desert skies where the Great Peace March died and was reborn. There’s lots of BLM land for camping and plenty of cozy motel rooms conveniently located in Barstow, for the less robust. If anyone wishes to join me, I will enjoy your company. If I am the only one who shows up, then I’ll enjoy my own memories and the solitude of the desert. Let me know what you think of an impromptu gathering at Stoddard Wells Road March 11-13. I’ll be there, how about anyone else? Martin “Born Again” Hippie
January 27, 2011 05:14:41 (GMT Time)



Name:Martin "Born Again" Hippie
Email:martinhippie{at}yahoo.com
HomePage:http://
Comments:Born Again Hippie Allow me to jump in. It is going to take two entries. First, the latest news. If the word isn’t out yet, Freda and I were divorced last November. It’s certainly sad and regrettable but it is also positive and hopeful. Freda and I are still friends, and while we agree our marriage was wonderful, beautiful, and rewarding, we also agree that it had reached its end. We’re both better off now, going our separate ways. These things happen. Freda is still living on the homestead in Illinois, and I’m living in San Diego, at a “hippie” monastery ( www.MadreGrande.org ). I’m incredibly content and happy with my new life and path, and excited about the future. I just joined Facebook, and my email is martinhippie@yahoo.com , if anyone wishes to contact me.
January 27, 2011 05:08:58 (GMT Time)



Name:Lori
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:I can reserve group sites. I can also provide more details on how people can make their own arrangements for hotels, showers, food and coffee. etc. As well as pet policy, campers and lights-out. Bike rentals, water holes, soccer field, the pizza joint etc. I agree with your idea that we do not have to have it this year if people are uncomfortable with these last minute arrangements. Both Joshua Tree and Zion will be hot. I think Zion with the river and the trees might afford us a bit more comfort than Joshua Tree. But doing it in Zion next year in June might be just a bit more cool. What do people think? Has anyone responded to Angie's Face Book posting? (I do not FB)
January 24, 2011 18:11:33 (GMT Time)



Name:Rich Sickler
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Sounds good to me Lori. Can you set it up? I think the way tis is going to happen is if someone gets it done and lets everyone know wher and when, we'll have our reunion. And by the way does it really matter if we have a big reunion this year or the next?
January 22, 2011 03:37:53 (GMT Time)



Name:lori shields
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:i sent the last email
January 21, 2011 18:44:26 (GMT Time)



Name:
Email:
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Comments:How about Zion National Park? Nice shade trees. A river runs through. If we get group sites, then it would be approx $5 a night per person. The town has lots of cute amenities (for example a small store that makes great sandwiches, lots of h/motels, laundry or shower facilities(out side the park), free bus shuttle that runs through town and the park, A nice community center to rent, dipping holes that only locals know about, bike trails, hiking trails and more.) There is a charge to enter the park. $25 per car or $25 for a group of 9 people for the week. I can send more information about all this if people are interested in Angie Frabasilio or me getting a site. What are the dates again? Booking begins 6 months prior to date of arrival so if we're looking at the end of July, there are about 10 days before we would attempt to get a site (which the ranger said should be easy if we call the first day of 6 months out.) Zion is located 2.5 hour drive from Vegas.
January 21, 2011 18:43:18 (GMT Time)



Name:Gene
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Thanks, Rich! That was our first thought too when we noticed Joshua in July.
January 21, 2011 18:08:54 (GMT Time)



Name:Rich Sickler
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Joshua Tree Nat.Park July 20th average high temp. 105F. average low 95F. record high 113F. record low a chilly 67F.
January 21, 2011 05:34:18 (GMT Time)



Name:Rich Sickler
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:If it's done I will probably go but July in the desert? What about the chldren and elderly? I'm mean were talking 100-115 degrees people? Do the have enough rooms? Because I don't want to camp out in that and I like to camp.
January 21, 2011 04:43:53 (GMT Time)



Name:Jonnie Dale Lieberman
Email:JonnieDaleataol.com
HomePage:http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=146167292064150
Comments:Here's the link I was able to get to Great Peace March Facebook Reunion, wishing it were easier to find on my Facebook Page, don't know why it ought to be challenging to find..
January 20, 2011 20:03:52 (GMT Time)



Name:Laura M
Email:
HomePage:http://www.jtrcc.org
Comments:Hey, Y'all, reunion planning continues. Diane and Ida are busy with details. In a nutshell, Joshua Tree Retreat Center seems to be trending as the best option. Tentative dates are July 17 - 24th. The approximate cost is $48/per person/per night for an indoor place and $25/per person/per night for camping. Ida has lots of details on the GPM 25th Reunion Facebook page. To get there, to to the GPM Facebook site and scroll down to "Events." Click on the 25th Reunion and you'll see the discussion thread. Please add your thoughts there (Can you come? Do you like Joshua Tree as an option?) so Ida can move ahead with the plan. She needs to know soon. Pauliene, best wishes for a complete and rapid recovery to you from Berlin.
January 20, 2011 04:11:34 (GMT Time)



Name:James
Email:
HomePage:http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=19248698462&v=wall
Comments:That's the link Jonnie. I can only find a second hand reference to the Jtree possibility on the reunion thread though. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong place.
January 19, 2011 23:47:41 (GMT Time)



Name:Fred Guerra
Email:fjoe1957 {at}yahoo.com
HomePage:http://http://www.facebook.com/fred.guerra
Comments:Both of US were Original Marchers Fred Guerra (Santa Cruz) Married Mary Dickinson (Blouder,Colo) left March in Omaha to have a baby (Big Mistake..not the baby leaving the March)
January 19, 2011 18:42:30 (GMT Time)



Name:jonnie dale lieberman
Email:JonnieDale{at}aol.com
HomePage:http://
Comments:Hey everyone, I read back as far as June and most of our conversation has been about our 25th Reunion. On Facebook, I have received postings to check GPM Facebook page, I could not find it. If someone can please kindly pass along the correct and specific website address, that would be awesome, send to my e-address if possible, I rarely check here, jonniedaleataol. I understand Reunion conversation is currently about Joshua Tree. Would love to know more. Gene, if it happens here in Ashland, someone else will be DMAC. I will def attend. Paulien, glad to hear about the goodness of the place where you are, may you find an easy and quick recovery and find your way home to our reunion, where ever we may be. Much love and peace to you all, stay warm n cozy and love the one you are with.
January 19, 2011 17:49:31 (GMT Time)



Name:Joe
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Hoping that you have a speedy and full recovery Paulien!
January 17, 2011 13:51:34 (GMT Time)



Name:Paulien
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Thanks for all your good wishes! I'm in revalidation now and I am pleased and impressed with social medicine! It's like a resort, a super gym, heated pool. Got my laptop at my bed-side too! So I am dreaming of getting together with you guys in Carpentaria! See you all in the fall!
January 16, 2011 20:31:17 (GMT Time)



Name:Ted T.
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Well if we're spitballing here let me add my 2 cents. We'll rent the Giants (World Series Champions) Ball park. Huge field for camping, ball field and playground for the kids, concession stands for meals, team locker rooms for showers, great view of San Francisco Bay.
January 14, 2011 17:41:44 (GMT Time)



Name:Gene
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Well, if that is what it has come down to – a gathering at the home of James in LA – then I can offer our home for the northern CA Marchers. Our Rossmoor is practically a country club with swimming pools, tennis courts, hiking trails, and even 27 holes of golf. Beautiful meeting rooms and a lovely movie theater in which we can show “Just One Step.” We can probably find friends who will put people up for a couple of nights. But many of our Marchers will live a drive or even a BART train away from here. You made your suggestion, Naneki, in jest (I think; you may be serious). But you sure gave me an idea! I AM serious. Sure, why not?
January 13, 2011 16:34:05 (GMT Time)



Name:Naneki
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Gene, it seems the reunion has become homeless and no one is talking about it anymore. I'm suggesting anyone interested in reunioning should meet at James Knight's house in L.A. I will bring the punch...
January 12, 2011 18:19:14 (GMT Time)



Name:Gene
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:That was neat, Naneki! Thanks. I am asking the same question. And I am wondering whether one has to be on Facebook to learn about reunion plans.
January 12, 2011 17:31:21 (GMT Time)



Name:Naneki
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Hey, where have all the marchers gone long time passin' where have all the marchers gone long time ago...where have all the marchers gone, gone to facebook every one when will they return, oh when will they return!!??
January 11, 2011 23:19:44 (GMT Time)



Name:Christopher Bell
Email:justkit{at}earthlink.net
HomePage:http://
Comments: Just finding this site for the first time. Not very computer savvy. But hey late is better than never, or so we used to say about stragglers. Thank you to all of you and especially to those who host this site. Many blessings and love all around. Peace. Keep up the good work. Chris (Kit) Bell
January 10, 2011 22:08:33 (GMT Time)



Name:Marek
Email:marekp at roadrunner com
HomePage:http://
Comments:I'm sending you a bunch of love, smiles, laughters and hugs, Paulien. We'll have a cup of Coffee at the 25th reunion! Send me an email! (I'll look to see if I still have yours!)
January 4, 2011 06:14:15 (GMT Time)



Name:Joe
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:You are in my heart and my thoughts Paulien.
December 29, 2010 00:55:38 (GMT Time)



Name:Naneki
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Paulien, you are in my thoughts and prayers...blessings for a very health filled New Year and know that we are all sending you healing and love from the Big March Family!!
December 28, 2010 23:20:40 (GMT Time)



Name:Gene
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Best wishes from a guy who remembers you very well from the March even though it was 25 years ago!
December 27, 2010 16:33:45 (GMT Time)



Name:paulien
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Thanks ever so much T & B!! Any and all wishes and prayers of any kind are ever so welcome right now, chants and songs too! My life has just been turned up-side down and I am not nearly as cool and unflappable as I'd like to be...
December 27, 2010 13:36:53 (GMT Time)



Name:Barbara
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Paulien, I would be immensly THRILLED to see you at the reunion!!!!!! I am immensly concerned as to your brain issue. I hope you will continue to update us. You know we love you and really want to know how you are doing. We are forever family.
December 27, 2010 03:31:33 (GMT Time)



Name:Ted T.
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Paulien, my thoughts are with you...wishing you the best.
December 27, 2010 02:53:25 (GMT Time)



Name:paulien
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:hi folks, weirdest Xmas ever for me: I find out I need brain surgery!! And in case you are wondering, no waiting list in sight even though I am on a subsidized social health plan. So with my life suddenly taking an unexpected turn once again, with time on my hands, I am thinking maybe Carpentaria...
December 26, 2010 20:47:48 (GMT Time)



Name:Joe
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Ted, thank you! It was a wonderful Christmas present and I am happy to keep this site. It does seem that more people are doing Facebook than earlier making this site less relevant, but I am happy to keep it available. Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays and Prospero Ano Nuevo a todos! I too am concerned about the reunion plans coming together in time in a way that works for marchers. Anyway, I guess that I will have to have faith.
December 25, 2010 17:45:02 (GMT Time)



Name:Ted T.
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:We're still here!, we're still here!
December 25, 2010 06:46:11 (GMT Time)



Name:Gene
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Gene, the reunion is me, you and Ted here in Cyberspace. Let us chant, We're still here!!
December 24, 2010 21:58:47 (GMT Time)



Name:Gene
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Yes, I've been wondering - and worrying - for a long time where everybody is. At this rate it doesn't look we can get THREE people together for our 25th reunion. Will we have one? Has Carpinteria been reserved?
December 23, 2010 17:20:37 (GMT Time)



Name:Ted T.
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Well Helloo!
December 23, 2010 08:03:34 (GMT Time)



Name:naneki
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:where the heck is everybody? Hellllloooooooooo...anybody home?
December 23, 2010 05:41:18 (GMT Time)



Name:Ted T.
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Joe, am dropping $ in the mail today. Am so sorry for flaking after I promised in Sept. of LAST YEAR! (shame). Having this site is important to me, and thank you for keeping it going.
December 17, 2010 18:58:59 (GMT Time)



Name:Diane Hara
Email:krazy4peace{at}aol.com
HomePage:http://
Comments:Hi everyone, Some wanted to know if we are going to reach out to those who are not on Facebook or here. Once we have a site and stable dates, we will send a mailing out to everyone who has given their addresses to Frank Holgrem at peacegeek@hotmail.com. Everyone please update your info with Frank NOW. Love you all, Diane Hara
November 15, 2010 22:37:58 (GMT Time)



Name:Steven Klein (née Shabtai)
Email:My email address is on my website.
HomePage:http://klein.us/
Comments:Happy Birthday, Marek.
November 5, 2010 02:50:56 (GMT Time)



Name:Laura M
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Just sent an email to a friend in the CA Governor's office to see if they can help us with Carpinteria reservations. It's a long shot, but I figured it's worth a try. Hope that's okay with all y'all.
October 19, 2010 07:15:45 (GMT Time)



Name:
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Marek where have you been, I do not see any recent posting. Miss all your wonderful insightful comments.
October 17, 2010 09:28:12 (GMT Time)



Name:George
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Did anyone think about asking alexandra paul. she was on the march until the first site in nevada. I know she is still active in the peace movement. In case you are wondering who she is, she in Bay Watch and some movies. maybe she can help with the seven thousand dollars. I still think of her as a peace marcher. Another solution ask as many marchers as possible to donate 10 20 50 or 100 dollars, whatever people can afford.
October 17, 2010 09:01:02 (GMT Time)



Name:Ted T.
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Yeah you! Rich.
October 17, 2010 01:30:51 (GMT Time)



Name:Rich Sickler
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Someone call Robert Blake or Yoko Ono? or a rich peace marcher.
October 16, 2010 23:26:26 (GMT Time)



Name:Laura M
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:The cost for reserving group campsites at Carpinteria will be $8,400. We have $700 in seed money for the 25th reunion. Carpinteria requires full payment at the time of reservation (December 1, 2010). Any good ideas how to pull together $7,700 in six weeks? Previous reunion planners, how did you manage?
October 15, 2010 16:16:27 (GMT Time)



Name:Laura M
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Hello, Fellow Marchers, Please post your preference on the GPM 25th Reunion site or here. I need get an idea for how many people intend to stay in a tent at the Carpinteria State Beach and how many intend to stay in nearby hotels. It's not a commitment, just an idea so I have numbers for reserving group camp sites. Thanks so much! Rich, I could use the help of someone who's familiar with the Carpinteria site and the reservation procedures. If you're interested, could you email me? laura.monagan@yahoo.com. Thanks!
October 15, 2010 15:25:36 (GMT Time)



Name:Lori Shields
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Laura, you rock! I await further instructions. Your minion, Lori
October 11, 2010 18:05:55 (GMT Time)



Name:Rich Sickler
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Thanks Again Laura, for your organizing. Just some more thought or questions about reserving those sites. Does it matter wether you phone or are at the park when making those resevations? I know only 2 cars per site are allowed so how many sites? How many campers per site? I remember the north end of the campground have site that are next to the field. Could we use the field for camping? Could we get one site with 300 campers in it?
October 10, 2010 17:31:50 (GMT Time)



Name:Laura M
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:We had quite a few conversations some months ago about the timing of the reunion. My first suggestion was a YMCA camp that was available in late June, but many GPM'ers, understandably, couldn't make it then because of school obligations. Same for Mid-August through September. (As a school teacher, I'd be pleased to have a family take kids out of school for a GPM reunion - provided they came back to report to the class about it, but I don't think schools operate that way much any more. A loss, if you ask me.) LORI, I'll post more information as the time draws near. (Hopefully I'll have it figured out by then!)
October 9, 2010 08:10:17 (GMT Time)



Name:Rich Sickler
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Just a thought but we could increase the odds of geting the sites we need by having the reunion in June,August or September I think the third week of September is a long tradition, you say the kids are in school, take them out. When I was a kid our parents would take us out of school to go camping in april or may,it was great. Just a thought. Myself and my brother Marty aka? will be there.
October 9, 2010 05:26:56 (GMT Time)



Name:Lynn S
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Hi Laura, Are you sure about that date? I only ask because that is a Sunday.
October 6, 2010 02:12:33 (GMT Time)



Name:Lori Shields
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Hi Laura, I am game. Can you send more information... like what number to call and which sites to ask for? And which exact dates to ask for? What time do we start calling? (Is there a plan B...like get sites for the following weekend if this weekend is full?) And, do you know their cancellation policy in case we get too many sites? And what is the best way to contact you if some of us should get lucky?
October 4, 2010 15:46:21 (GMT Time)



Name:Laura M
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:The overwhelming majority of responses were in favor of Carpinteria State Beach located just south of Santa Barbara, CA. California marchers have held their annual reunion there many times and recommend it highly. For those who are not up to camping, you'll find many hotels within walking distance. We will target the last week in July for our reunion. Here's the risk: Reservations for Carpinteria come available on January 2, 2011. On that day, everyone who wants July dates gets on the phone in a mad rush to be first to get through to the reservation desk. From what the park ranger told me, all of the campsites are gone within minutes! For our big group, we would need more than one group site. So, we will need to get organized and join the throngs and hope for a little march magic. Sounds exciting, doesn't it? If we don't get it, of course, we're back to square one for site planning. But if we can get 100 marchers on the phones, we just might pull it off. Y'all game for a gamble?
October 3, 2010 06:12:36 (GMT Time)



Name:Diane Hara
Email:krazy4peace{at}aol.com
HomePage:http://
Comments:
September 30, 2010 05:48:25 (GMT Time)



Name:Diane Hara
Email:krazy4peace{at}aol.com
HomePage:http://facebook.com
Comments:Thank you Gene for Porta Potty Duty. Anyone else have any Ideas What you would like to do once to talk to everyone? I would love to put together a Now and Then Project for the Children of the March. Baby Alexa is 25! Harleigh has a sister... Anyway does anyone want to Entertain??? Someone want to coordinate the political beat and issues? If we have a "How the Peace March Changed Us" Project. The Press might be interested. I do not have the exact dates but Laura said the last week in July 2011. I will get back to you soon. Carpenteria is right on the beach with motels and city stuff close by.
September 29, 2010 03:47:48 (GMT Time)



Name:Lori Shields
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Carpinteria looks great!! What is the date again?
September 28, 2010 18:47:16 (GMT Time)



Name:Frank and Lynn Sahlem
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:The Sahlems vote for Carpenteria!
September 28, 2010 05:39:07 (GMT Time)



Name:Ted T.
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Sorry, the lyric reference was a reach...
September 27, 2010 04:52:11 (GMT Time)



Name:Rich Sickler
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:I don't get it Ted. Earth Wind and Fire?
September 26, 2010 17:56:15 (GMT Time)



Name:Ted T.
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:"Do you remember..the 21st day of September" a bit late...but nice Earth,Wind,and Fire reference.
September 25, 2010 22:17:08 (GMT Time)



Name:Rich Sickler
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:You have it wrong Gene. It was twenty five years ago Seargent Pepper taught the band to play. I couldn't resist.
September 25, 2010 21:16:16 (GMT Time)



Name:Gene
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:I know it was 25 years ago, but doesn't ANYONE remember?
September 24, 2010 16:05:55 (GMT Time)



Name:Gene
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:I just saw “The Most Dangerous Man in America: Daniel Ellsberg and the Pentagon Papers.” Anyone else see it? Wonderful documentary! Dan Ellsberg has been a tremendous peace activist all these years. He joined us on the Great Peace March, spoke to us one day. I can still see him in my mind's eye, but cannot pin down the locale - or even the state! Please tell me where it was if anybody can remember.
September 23, 2010 04:55:16 (GMT Time)



Name:Bill O
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Naneki, I hear you darlin'. Send me a check and I'll head for the poker table. Then we can have the reunion of our dreams: caviar omelets for breakfast, served on ivory platters, while celebrities fan you with palm fronds. You deserve no less!
September 22, 2010 19:47:36 (GMT Time)



Name:Laura M
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Thank you, Diane, for posting this for discussion. I say we put all our eggs in one basket and go for Carpinteria. (I'll put a similar posting on the Facebook page...)
September 22, 2010 17:55:43 (GMT Time)



Name:Joe
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:I would prefer Carpinteria State Park.
September 20, 2010 22:28:38 (GMT Time)



Name:Naneki
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:thanks to all who are working so hard on getting the 25th reunion off the ground! I noticed that Bill O has volunteered to be treasurer for the reunion. I have one thing to say to Bill, Vegas Baby!! California sounds great anywhere near water!!
September 20, 2010 14:55:09 (GMT Time)



Name:Rich Sickler
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments: Thanks for your work. I pick Carpenteria.
September 19, 2010 06:07:40 (GMT Time)



Name:Gene
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Sign up for a job? Okay, I’ll clean the porta potties again. I’ll write and produce a skit to honor the crew that organizes this reunion. I’ll produce a Shakespeare play. Seriously, I vote for Carpinteria State Beach. We’ve had so many reunions there that the place really is home for many of us. I would go for Crestline; Arrowhead Hot Springs Resort is nearby. But the place is (since 1962) owned by Campus Crusade for Christ, and it looks like they have only Christian Weddings on the place – not open to the likes of us. Yes, Carpinteria will be just fine. No hot spring, darn it, but a cold ocean. Still, Carpinteria is not a strange place but so familiar we’ll be soaking in nostalgia.
September 18, 2010 16:59:34 (GMT Time)



Name:Diane Hara
Email:krazy4peace{at}aol.com
HomePage:http://
Comments:Hello Marchers, Get Up, Get UP. Get Up! I need your input. We are looking for a place to have the reunion. I have three possibilities so far. #1Camp Seely near Crestline California (up in the mountains 2mi from Lake Gregory and 4 miles to Lake Silverwood). 60 cabins, no tent camping, Lodge, Dining Room, and Kitchen. #2Carpinteria State Beach. On the beach with Tent and RV camping. Hotel/Motel options. No kitchen, Use Seeds of Peace?! #3 Silverwood Lake State Park in Hisparia, California. Tent camping, no lodge or cabins. Hotel/motel 5mi away. We are working on approx 200-250 people coming. Please tell me what you want, give me new options to look into. I need to know what kind of march you want to sign up for this time. Comfort? Relaxing? Hiking? Healing? Political? Let me know if you want to take on a project or have ideas. Come on marchers you have to sign up for a job!! hugs and kisses, Diane
September 17, 2010 19:33:13 (GMT Time)



Name:Michaella Keener
Email:revmichaella{at}gmail.com
HomePage:http://
Comments:I have so much to say,but will have to write another day. I had no idea that there is a site to contact dfolks. Next Tues is InterNational PeaceDay and I have been thinking a lot about the March. More later. Michaella (Micki)
September 17, 2010 15:52:04 (GMT Time)



Name:Cybele Connor
Email:
HomePage:http://cybeleconnor.com
Comments:Howdy, Sonia contact me saying someone on this board was looking for me so here is my contact info. Facebook, cybele Connor, actually could everyone join facebook it would be easier. cybelec@gmail.com or my site cybeleconnor. Talk to you soon so looking forward to 2011.
September 3, 2010 18:15:27 (GMT Time)



Name:John Pluntze
Email:writestuffidaho{at}gmail.com
HomePage:http://www.SunValleyOnline.com
Comments:Hi, everyone!! John Pluntze here in Ketchum, Idaho. Hope I get a chance to correspond with at least SOME of you in the coming weeks and months -- either at WriteStuffIdaho@gmail.com or at writestuff2001@webtv.net Having a blast here in Idaho and getting lots of writing done at http://www.SunValleyOnline.com (type "Music Rules" into the SVO search engine to see what I've written lately). All the best.... :) --John Pluntze
August 25, 2010 14:20:47 (GMT Time)



Name:Laura M
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Hello, California Marchers, Diane Harris Hara has very kindly agreed to pull together a group of California folks to pick up the local reunion organizing. If you are in the LA/Santa Barbara area and can help, please let her know. She is on facebook.
August 23, 2010 14:06:50 (GMT Time)



Name:
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:June and I just returned from our annual trip to Ashland where this year we saw six plays. “Hamlet” is in a different dimension altogether. Never before have I seen such a phenomenal production. And “Henry IV, Part One” is also out of this world. Jonnie is very lucky to live in that great city. She has seen nine of the eleven plays so far this season including all four of the Shakespeare productions. Anyway, we camped in our tent just a tiny bit bigger than our old Peace March tents (who still has his/hers after all these years?). We camped at Wellsprings, the place where we had a tremendous GPM reunion some years back. Walking around back where we set up our Peace Village in July of 2004, I was struck with nostalgia and also caressed with a blissful thought: how glorious would be our 25th reunion if we could have it again at this very same fabulous place! Jonnie would not do the (very hard) organizing work this time around. But who is able to do it anywhere else? Well, just a wish..
August 22, 2010 04:18:29 (GMT Time)



Name:Diane Hara
Email:krazy4peace{at}aol.com
HomePage:http://
Comments:Need local help (Los Angeles Area) to prepare for 2011 reunion, our 25th Silver Anniversary! Please email me at krazy4peace@aol.com and let me know how I can get a hold of you. Thanks ahead. Love ya, Diane
August 10, 2010 05:01:09 (GMT Time)



Name:Rod Grasmick
Email:rodzylla{at}hotmail.com
HomePage:http://
Comments:Could not sleep and randomly thought about the GPM for the first time in AGES! What sweet memories. Did I see the name of Cybele further on down?
August 2, 2010 05:09:35 (GMT Time)



Name:Laura M
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:As the 25th reunion approaches, it's time to update the Silver Thread. Whether you plan to attend the reunion or not, please send your current email address to Frank Holgrem who has very generously agreed to update our list. Here is his email address: Peacegeek@hotmail.com A BIG THANK YOU TO FRANK! THANK YOU TO SONIA COTA-ROBLES FOR COORDINATING WITH HIM!
July 29, 2010 19:21:18 (GMT Time)



Name:Laura M
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Sorry, that should read "first WEEK of August..."
July 23, 2010 03:55:50 (GMT Time)



Name:Laura M
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:I just posted an "Event" on the Great Peace March facebook for the 25th reunion. We still don't have a precise location or dates, but we're aiming at somewhere in the Los Angeles/Santa Barbara area in July or the first month of August 2011. Please go to facebook and post whether you plan to attend. Thank you kindly!
July 23, 2010 03:54:37 (GMT Time)



Name:Laura M
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Hello, Lynn, Thank you so much for your feedback. This is very helpful. Carpenteria is on the short list, but, as you say, difficult to reserve as it's very popular. Having amenities nearby is important; several people have mentioned that. And, the fact that there are motels nearby is great, too. From your suggestion, I'll take Lake Casitas off the list and keep Carpenteria as a strong possibility. Thanks, Lynn!
July 23, 2010 03:50:20 (GMT Time)



Name: Lynn S
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Hi Laura, Carpenteria has been the location of most of the California reunions over the years and is a fantastic place, but so popular that it is difficult to get the space and might be impossible to get enough room. Otherwise it is perfect with grocery stores and cafes in an easy walk and motels nearby for those of us who are not tenting any more. Lake Casitas doesn't have swimming but during the summers have a great water feature--a "river" that you can ride inner tubes down and is a lot of fun. It is near to Ojai but not walking distance from amything, so there is only the camp store and cafe at the lake for those who need them. I hope this helps!
July 23, 2010 01:13:28 (GMT Time)



Name:Laura M
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Looks like we'll be able to get ground transportation from LAX (Los Angeles International Airport) to either the Santa Barbara area or the San Bernardino/Big Bear area for about $50-60/person each way, including gratuity. It's about 2 - 2 1/2 hours each way, depending on traffic. Still don't have a campsite, but other things are falling into place.
July 22, 2010 08:45:53 (GMT Time)



Name:Laura M
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Hello, Rich, A quick question and a request... I looked at Lake Casitas (online) for a possible reunion site, but the information I found says there is no swimming allowed in the lake. Do you know if that's correct? And, the request... If you are familiar with Carpinteria State Beach, El Capitan State Beach, or Refugio State Beach, could you give me some feedback on whether these would be good sites for our 25th reunion? That would be so, so helpful to me. Thank you! Anyone else who's familiar with these sites, please chime in!
July 22, 2010 07:56:42 (GMT Time)



Name:Rich Sickler
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Any one intersted in a reunion this year? Say at Lake Casitas. Say the weekend of September 25th. one day or two? one campsite or two?
July 22, 2010 01:28:36 (GMT Time)



Name:Laura M
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Hello, CALIFORNIA GPM'ers. I'm looking for some local California marchers to form a 25th reunion affinity group (25th RAG?) to do some of the tasks I can't do from afar. The two tasks that are imminent are: 1) to make site visits to Serrano Campground, Silverwood Lake State Recreation Area, Carpinteria State Beach, and El Capitan State Beach to see which are appropriate to our needs. (Or, perhaps you are already familiar with these sites?) All of these campgrounds are with about two hours of L.A. (depending on traffic). 2) to be on hand to coordinate with Bill O'Neill to make the group reservation. The reason is that a California resident can make the reservation three months earlier than a non-resident can, and these campgrounds fill very quickly. For Serrano and Silverwood Lake we would need a Los Angeles resident, possibly more than one, to make the calls (and be able to prove residency). Anybody game?
July 21, 2010 05:04:40 (GMT Time)



Name:Laura M
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Pease join me in sending a huge thank you to Cybele Connor for volunteering to take on the meal planning for the 25th reunion. She (we) will need a crew of volunteers, so if you are interested in preparing and serving meals during the reunion, please let her know. Thank you, Cybele!
July 18, 2010 16:21:47 (GMT Time)



Name:Laura M
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:I’m happy to announce that Bill O’Neill has very kindly agreed to serve as treasurer for the reunion. Please join me in thanking him for offering to handle money matters for us! Thank you, Bill!
July 18, 2010 07:00:19 (GMT Time)



Name:Laura M
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Pease join me in sending a huge thank you to Cybele Connor for volunteering to take on the meal planning for the 25th reunion. She (we) will need a crew of volunteers, so if you are interested in preparing and serving meals during the reunion, please let her know. Thank you, Cybele!
July 18, 2010 06:53:32 (GMT Time)



Name:Laura M
Email:
HomePage:http://www.reserveamerica.com/camping/Dogwood_Ca/r/campgroundDetails.do?contractCode=NRSO&parkId=702
Comments:...and here's the link for Dogwood near Lake Arrowhead.
July 10, 2010 11:52:01 (GMT Time)



Name:Laura M
Email:
HomePage:http://www.reserveamerica.com/camping/Serrano_Ca/r/campgroundDetails.do?contractCode=NRSO&parkId=705
Comments:Here's the link for Serrano on Big Bear Lake.
July 10, 2010 11:50:29 (GMT Time)



Name:Laura M
Email:
HomePage:http://www.reserveamerica.com/camping/Silverwood_Lake_Sra/r/campgroundDetails.do?contractCode=CA&par
Comments:Here's the link for Silverwood Lake State Recreation Area.
July 10, 2010 11:48:55 (GMT Time)



Name:Laura M
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:READ THIS LAST... and the third one, read it second, of course! (Sorry!) (The two camps I was most excited about, one run by the Unitarian Universalists and the another called Pilgrim Pines, couldn’t take us but promised to keep a lookout for cancellations in July, so let’s “om” for a march miracle.) These camps can’t be booked until 6-9 months in advance anyway, so we have a little more time to think about other options. So, have a looksee and post your thoughts here or on the GPM Facebook site.
July 10, 2010 11:45:56 (GMT Time)



Name:Laura M
Email:
HomePage:
Comments:READ THIS FIRST!! I guess I’ll refer to this is the elimination round because every place I’ve looked into has been unable to take us for some reason. The month of July is huge for camps, as you can imagine and 2011 is already booked. According to the feedback I’ve seen on the GPM website and Facebook, the ideal camp would meet the following criteria: 1) In California, within a couple hours of Los Angles, where we started. 2) Provides a combination of tent camping, rv camping, and cabins/lodge. 3) Provides meals or access to an industrial kitchen. 4) Has a large hall or amphitheatre for all-camp meetings. 5) Not too hot or smoggy. 6) Not too religious. I’ve scoured the San Bernardino National Forest and the Angeles National Forest. Camps are booked, too small, too primitive, or closed due to forest fire damage.
July 10, 2010 11:43:15 (GMT Time)



Name:Laura M
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:However, if we really want to meet in the LA area, I’m thinking we could book tent sites at one of these three camps (see links). Serrano is on the north shore of Big Bear Lake; Dogwood is on Lake Arrowhead; and Silverwood Lake State Recreation Area is on Silverwood Lake. Here are their advantages: 1) located near a town (for shopping and in case some people would rather stay in hotels and re-une during the day) 2) Plenty of sites for tent camping and rvs. 3) High above L.A. in the mountains for smog-free, cool summer camping. 4) Inexpensive 5) Lakes nearby for splashing. (Someone asked for this amenity; I agree!) Here are their disadvantages: 1) We’d have to rent cars or vans at the airport to get folks there. 2) No built-in amenities like meals or meeting hall; everyone would be responsible for his/her own meals. 3) Not guaranteed; we’d have to coordinate calling to reserve enough sites for all of us. (CONTINUED>>>)
July 10, 2010 11:41:43 (GMT Time)



Name:angie frabasilio
Email:angiefrab{at}yahoo.com
HomePage:http://
Comments:If California is the place... I and three boys will be there.
July 8, 2010 20:25:27 (GMT Time)



Name:Laura M
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Thank you, Barbara, for your help in finding seed money. That would be a huge help. I'll keep Camp Oso in mind if neither of the other two options works out. People seem to want to be close to LA, where it all started. Good luck with your transition.
July 7, 2010 15:09:18 (GMT Time)



Name:Barbara
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:How about Camp Oso in the Santa Barbara mountains? They have cabins, wagon tents, rv's,rv space, and tent space. I don't know the cost or booking situation and I am in a huge personal transition right now so I can't help much. You can find it on the internet.
July 7, 2010 13:27:17 (GMT Time)



Name:Barbara
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:I believe it has been a tradition that the California reunion group loans some seed money to the big reunions. I now manage the books and the $ for that group. Coleen passed it on to me a couple of years back. I will talk with some of the group and ask for opinions about assisting with the initial reservation costs. It isn't a huge ammount, and it will need to be repaid, but it can take the presure off of personal bank accounts. I am digging through the file and not finding the records. I'll get back to you.
July 7, 2010 13:23:11 (GMT Time)



Name:Laura M
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Update: Still working on reunion sites. I'll have more to report at the end of this week. (For those who have been following this thread, Camp Whittle is out because of incompatible dates, but I'm working two other viable leads.) NEEDED: PEACE MARCHER WHO'S GOOD WITH MONEY MATTERS TO OPEN A GPM 2011 REUNION ACCOUNT, TAKE IN MARCHER DEPOSITS, AND MAKE THE NECESSARY PAYMENTS TO THE CAMP. Several people have offered to help with the reunion This is an aspect that is NOT my forte. Please step up if you are good at money matters and willing to help. (The unethical need not apply.)
July 7, 2010 07:24:58 (GMT Time)



Name:paulien
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Barbara, are you still doing Service Learning? I need input. You know my work - I would like to explore the possibility of implementing such a program. Websites you can recommend, books I could order, articles you could mail me pgeitenbeek at hotmail.com would be very welcome indeed. Hope all is well with you guys. How's Matthew?
July 4, 2010 16:01:15 (GMT Time)



Name:Laura M
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Jani, I'm sorry a July reunion will not be optimal for everyone in your family, but it seems to be the direction we're headed in. Just wanted to let you know your preferences were not unheard.
July 3, 2010 07:22:53 (GMT Time)



Name:Laura M
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Update: I'm still working with the Camp Whittle folks to see about a date in July, but in the meantime, I've found two large campsites in the San Bernardino National Forest that would be good alternatives. They are both in the general vicinity of Camp Whittle. I'll post more information at the end of next week. Your feedback has been tremendously helpful.
July 3, 2010 07:20:20 (GMT Time)



Name:Laura M
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:I hear many concerns about the June dates being too early and the August dates being too late, so I'm looking into other places that can take us in July or early August. : )
July 2, 2010 05:00:08 (GMT Time)



Name:Bob Alei
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:This Bob (the moving one) would most likely be a party of 4 (it is hard to know what our then 18 yr old daughter Justine will be up to). We would be more likely to all make it if it is between June 5 ish and Aug 15 ish....the basic school year summer.
July 1, 2010 23:00:41 (GMT Time)



Name:Jani Wanner McWilliams
Email:dougjani{at}aol.com
HomePage:http://
Comments:Hi Laura and all, It sound like we're moving toward a date, and my answer to your question revolves around the date chosen. We are primarily a family of 3 these days. Arden (23 yrs.)is getting married to Amber this Oct., and River(20 yrs.) will be a jr. at the Univ. @ Buffalo. Al boys/men play baseball in the summer, and could only come in Aug., althoug if Arden is still playing professionally, he'll not be available until after the post season. River will have a small break in Aug. 10th-16th ish, before heading back to school. Canyon (12 yrs.) will be coming with Doug & I if it is not in June. So, the Wanner McWilliams clan is probably 3, but maybe only 2, we'll know closer to the date. :) Thanks, Jani
July 1, 2010 21:15:37 (GMT Time)



Name:Bob Frisbee
Email:bfrisbee5{at}juno.com
HomePage:http://
Comments:I am not sure what to write here.
July 1, 2010 07:52:02 (GMT Time)



Name:JD Stillwater
Email:jdstillwater{at}gmail.com
HomePage:
Comments:Sorry. You are seeking a commitment for Camp Whittle. Count two of us Stillwaters as in for the later June dates, whether a weekend or full week.
June 30, 2010 22:13:39 (GMT Time)



Name:JD Stillwater
Email:jdstillwater{at}gmail.com
HomePage:
Comments:As noted on FB, Ann and I will come in 2011, no matter where it is held, provided it is between June 10 and about August 10.
June 30, 2010 22:02:18 (GMT Time)



Name:Ben Atherton-Zeman
Email:benazeman{at}hotmail.com
HomePage:http://www.voicesofmen.org
Comments:Laura, thanks so much for this! Many of us have been talking on Facebook about a 25th reunion for years now - all that was missing was someone to say, "I'll do it!" We've had plenty of suggestions for places (Cleveland being the recent favorite), but I think the consensus seemed to be that we'd all try to flock to wherever it's held. The one gaping hole was someone willing to step forward and organize it - are you that someone? If so, how can we support you?
June 30, 2010 15:01:33 (GMT Time)



Name:Lori Shields
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Oh duh, You mean Bob's move! Santa Fe is beautiful! Congratulations scoring a job there Bob!
June 30, 2010 13:35:30 (GMT Time)



Name:Lori Shields
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:It appears that people might be available in August more than March or April. And August is a very bad month to hang out in Zion. I am thinking that any old weekend can be extended by a couple days so that people could come Spring, Summer or Fall. If it were not around a holiday, it might even be easier for some folks. (possibly lower plane fare, fewer family engagements etc.) The location of the YMCA camp might be a lot easier for people to come to. And if no one else, a site in California would be loaded with Californians. (We can only promise to deliver about 5 Utahans to Zion.)
June 30, 2010 13:30:22 (GMT Time)



Name:Lori Shields
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:I am not moving. Or maybe I misunderstood the comment.? Anyway. I looked up that string of information I wrote and I guess we had done our research. There were 5 Utahans and one Nebraskan and family members who showed up for that mini-reunion. We had a great time! Hence the reason we go back every Spring. I think it might have been too hard for most folks to get to. Those who wanted to camp would have had to fly their tents to Vegas then drive to Zion. By nature I am pretty lazy and one of the things I like about the Zion location is that each person can customize their own facilities and meals according to their own needs. Make their own arrangements and do their own research on the area. This takes the load off of someone trying to organize this crazy herd of cats. The only up-front money would be reserving a group site. www.nps.gov/zion/ and http://www.zionpark.com/ are the two web sites I might start with if I were looking into Zion.
June 30, 2010 13:10:05 (GMT Time)



Name:Laura M
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Okay, Lynn, Bob and Jani, I've got you down, but Bob and Jani, how many are in your parties?
June 30, 2010 05:20:50 (GMT Time)



Name:Laura M
Email:
HomePage:http://www.zioncamp.com/index.html
Comments:Lori, I re-read your thread about Zion. There seemed to be a lot of people interested in having our reunion there Is this (link) the area you went to? It looks beautiful. I checked a random sampling of school calendars, and it looks like April 16-24, 2011 is the most common spring break. It also looks like that would be a good week at Zion in terms of weather. Please let me know if this is the place and I'll post it on the GPM fb as a possibility. And good luck with your upcoming move!
June 30, 2010 05:04:00 (GMT Time)



Name:Lori Shields
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Tom (Thumb) Gardener wanted me to let you know that he is not able to come to a reunion the last half of June. I will do my best to come whenever and where ever it is. My kid's schools schedule is not that important since we would be coming for an extended weekend only. A few days missed from school is not a big deal with us. I had looked into the Zion site a year or more ago and posted my findings on this web site. It is a doable place. Lots of hotels, or people could camp in the park, a small town where Angie said she may be able to score the community center for a few days for us to gather. A 2 1/2 hour drive from Los Vegas. It is too hot from the end of May through the end of September. A charming town, and a beautiful park to hike or bike in. Free shuttle service to and through the park... although there is an entrance fee. We have been going there every Spring for the past four years so Laura's site is my first pick since I've never been there.
June 29, 2010 18:24:43 (GMT Time)



Name:Jani Wanner McWilliams
Email:dougjani{at}aol.com
HomePage:http://
Comments:Hey all! I like te YMCA camp idea, late Aug. works better than June due to baseball, but it is virtually a year round sport around here. Thanks for all of the checking/research! I'm excited!
June 29, 2010 18:22:49 (GMT Time)



Name:Bob Alei
Email:bobalei at yahoo
HomePage:http://
Comments:Thanks Lori Shields for sending emails out to those of us who don't check this page much. We'd *love* to be at the reunion! And thank you Laura for working on this. Late August is late for us since school starts around the 15th. But if that's the date that works for people, we'll make a go of it. In other news, we're moving to Santa Fe! I got a job teaching at a small charter school there and since it's near home we figured it's a good time to move. I'll update when we have an address. ...and see you all at the reunion!
June 29, 2010 15:29:02 (GMT Time)



Name:Lynn S
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Hi Laura--We are the Sahlems. Frank is the marcher but I've been to most of the reunions. :)
June 29, 2010 06:36:29 (GMT Time)



Name:Laura M
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Thank you for your reply, Bryan! I'll put you two down with no preference for dates. Please spread the word to your GPM friends.
June 28, 2010 14:47:19 (GMT Time)



Name:Bryan Fulton
Email:rpcvslowone{at}yahoo.com
HomePage:http://
Comments:Laura, Sonia Cota-Robles and I are sure to be at any 25th GPM reunion in the Los Angeles area, no matter where it is held, because LA is less than a daze drive from our home in Tucson, AZ.
June 28, 2010 03:48:39 (GMT Time)



Name:Colin
Email:ttanews{at}hotmail.com
HomePage:http://
Comments:Hey, nice to see that people are trying to get together. I was the guy on the gate with security wearing the plaid robe and white floppy hat. I also taught "tent training" when folks first showed up to the march in Van Nuys (I think it was Van Nuys).
June 27, 2010 15:39:45 (GMT Time)



Name:Laura M
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Sorry, Lynn, what's your last name?
June 27, 2010 07:07:07 (GMT Time)



Name:laura M
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Okay, Lynn, glad to hear this will be a good site for you. Yes, forest fires seem to be a possibility at that time of year. Otherwise, August in Big Bear means we shouldn't be bothered by rain. I'll sign you and Frank up for two spots. Please spread the word!
June 27, 2010 06:59:44 (GMT Time)



Name:Lynn S
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Thanks, Laura, I think the trees up that far should help. As long as there are no forest fires! ;-) August would work best for us since Frank has most of it off most years. Don't know if it would be more than two of us as Crystal will be 17 and may or may not want to come.
June 26, 2010 20:41:10 (GMT Time)



Name:Laura M
Email:
HomePage:http://maps.google.com/maps?client=safari&rls=en-us&q=rim+of+the+world+fawnskin,+ca+map&oe=UTF-8&um=
Comments:Hello, Lynn, Here's a link to a google map showing the location of the camp. I don't know about smog there, but my brother has visited the area many times and says it's very beautiful.
June 26, 2010 05:27:33 (GMT Time)



Name:Lynn S
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Any clue where this place is?! Their website doesn't seem to have any map or even a link to a map. Hard to know if I could breathe there or not (polution is very hard on asthma) and most of California east of LA is pretty impossible for me to be. My asthma is worse every year.
June 26, 2010 02:37:24 (GMT Time)



Name:Laura M
Email:laura.monagan{at}yahoo.com
HomePage:http://
Comments:Just heard from the folks at Camp Whittle, the YMCA camp near Los Angeles (see video I posted earlier), and they said they can offer us August 22-25 as alternatives to the earlier June dates. If this works for you, please let me know as soon as possible, along with the number of people in your party. I'll need a commitment of about 80-100 people to go ahead with this location. I need to get back to her in the next ten days or so. (Joe and Lori, do these August dates also work for you?) Thanks!
June 25, 2010 18:29:19 (GMT Time)



Name:Laura M
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:I'm happy so many people are starting to talk about the reunion. To me, the YMCA of the Rockies was ideal because of the choice of housing (from ground tents to dorms to a fancy lodge), the reasonable cost, the on-site meals, and the range of activities for every age group. It would be nice to camp at a site where we camped on the GPM, but I've yet to find one that really serves our reunion needs. (We were largely self-sufficient back in 1986!) The main point is, if you have a proposal in mind, please do a little research first to see if the place is really appropriate to our needs before putting it out there for consideration. Post a few details with your proposal: distance from the nearest major airport, cost per person, amenities, facilities for preparing food, and the type of housing/camping. I don't mind looking into suggestions, but I don't have time (or the inclination) to research each one from scratch. Cabo San Lucas? Tell me more!
June 25, 2010 18:18:59 (GMT Time)



Name:Ted T.
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Yes, Cabo San Lucas...although Cabo, Tenn. might be nice in the spring too.
June 25, 2010 15:38:56 (GMT Time)



Name:Lori
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:I just so appreciate that Laura is looking up possibilities. I think Cabo sounds great too. Does Cabo (Ted, you did mean Cabo San Lucas right?) have fewer mosquitoes? (I hate bug repellent almost as much as I hate mosquitoes.)
June 25, 2010 04:39:58 (GMT Time)



Name:Barbara
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:If this is the way we go then I vote for the later date. We will still be in school until the 9th. As a teacher I have work for a few more days after that. I would probably come alone.
June 25, 2010 02:45:38 (GMT Time)



Name:Ted T.
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Then I propose Cabo !?
June 25, 2010 02:12:16 (GMT Time)



Name:Lori Shields
Email:lshields{at}xmission.com
HomePage:http://
Comments:I think Laura's site looks beautiful. I am also thinking, "you can never go home", so returning to a site we stayed at before could be nice but it would not be the same as it was anyway. (Also consider Zion Park in Southern Utah around Easter break. (No bugs.) Angie and Logan might be able to look into that.) If you are looking for a weekend commitment for the California site, you have one (maybe 4) from me. Either weekend will work for me (us) but we might get more takers if it is the later one since some kids get out of school later. Only 79-99 commitments to go! Thank you for looking into it Laura!
June 25, 2010 00:30:30 (GMT Time)



Name:Ted T.
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Gotta say, I'm inclined towards a campsite that we stayed at on the March...
June 24, 2010 02:37:41 (GMT Time)



Name:Barbara
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Where is it?
June 24, 2010 00:47:36 (GMT Time)



Name:Laura M
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:We can get this camp (link in earlier posting) for GPM 25th reunion next summer EITHER the weekend of June 10,11,12 OR the week of June 13-17. Cost: $90/person for the weekend or $158/person for the week. Includes lodging, four meals, and activities (archery, arts and crafts, hayride, nature house, hiking; swimming pool MIGHT be available but not guaranteed). Located approximately 2 1/2 hours from LAX, depending on LA traffic. I need a commitment from 80-100 people in the next ten days. Please send preferred dates and number of people in your group. Please keep your message simple and clear: just the dates and number of people. Thanks.
June 23, 2010 21:13:37 (GMT Time)



Name:Barbara
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Glen Helen is 72 miles from LAX
June 23, 2010 20:38:14 (GMT Time)



Name:Laura M
Email:
HomePage:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwTs5MhL_X4
Comments:This is where I want to meet for our 25th reunion. : )
June 23, 2010 15:28:09 (GMT Time)



Name:Laura M
Email:
HomePage:www.co.san-bernardino.ca.us/parks/glen_helen/glen_helen.aspx
Comments:Is Glen Helen too far from LAX?
June 23, 2010 13:47:17 (GMT Time)



Name:Laura M
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:There seems to be more enthusiasm for a reunion in California reunion than for one in Cleveland. I like the idea of going back to our starting point. Joe, I'm totally willing to organize in any way I can from my laptop in Berlin.
June 23, 2010 13:31:57 (GMT Time)



Name:Barbara
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Yes i've been here for 11 years. I am straight across from the Bay Area. So if San Fran is northern then I am northern. I am in the mountains above the Central Valley so maybe that makes me more central. OK, I will settle for the Central Sierra's. What I do know is that it is beautiful here.
June 21, 2010 04:59:52 (GMT Time)



Name:Gene
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:That's not northern CA! I though you had moved up to the Bay Area or even beyond. Haven't you been in the Sierras near Yosemite for a long, long time?
June 21, 2010 01:36:49 (GMT Time)



Name:Barbara
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:In the Sierras. Just outside of Yosemite.
June 19, 2010 16:14:16 (GMT Time)



Name:Gene
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Barbara! You live in Northern California now? Where?
June 19, 2010 15:26:25 (GMT Time)



Name:Barbara
Email:
HomePage:http://www.yelp.com/biz/santa-fe-dam-recreation-area-baldwin-park
Comments:Here is a link to an opinion page about Santa Fe Dam. I am vary familiar with the facility from the years I lived in LA. I ran, biked, and rode horses there. It has been developed to a far greater extent with a water play park and more trails. One draw back is the isolation from stores and resturants, at least it used to be in an industrial area. That may have changed. It has one very important asset that seems to matter at reunions, water we can immerse ourselves in. I will look into some of the other aspects. Don't expect me to organize the reunion from where I live in Northern CA but I will do some research.
June 19, 2010 06:39:20 (GMT Time)



Name:Joe
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:I know you feel my pain brother! A reunion in California would be better anyway. There are good reasons that we left the rust belt.
June 17, 2010 23:32:33 (GMT Time)



Name:James
Email:
HomePage:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZzgAjjuqZM
Comments:Another excuse to share the above video, Joe!
June 17, 2010 23:04:50 (GMT Time)



Name:Gene
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:To be in Griffith Park where it all began and see each other 25 years later would be awesome! Second choice (for me) would be Claremont.
June 17, 2010 14:48:07 (GMT Time)



Name:Joe
Email:The same thing that happened to Detroit!
HomePage:http://
Comments:James, let me tell you what happened to Cleveland. When I was born there in 1959 the population of Cleveland was about 1,000,000 and now it is estimated to be about 350,000. The river burned. The heavy industrial base closed up and moved away eliminating most of the good paying blue collar jobs. The young whites fled to the suburbs. The old ethnic whites died. The federal government gave up on urban areas in the rust belt. Oh, and the sports teams have not won a championship since the early 1960's. But hey, the Rock and Roll Museum is there and housing is cheap! And yet something tells me that I am not really answering your question. So to take it a step further, it does not seem that the 25th reunion will be in Cleveland as there is not enough organizing interest.
June 17, 2010 12:28:00 (GMT Time)



Name:James
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Santa Fe Dam was a lovely site. What happened to Cleveland?
June 16, 2010 18:46:19 (GMT Time)



Name:Cybele
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Well it seems like for the 25th it really needs to be in Cali, where it all began, how about Claremont, we could camp at Snoop Doggs
June 16, 2010 12:55:25 (GMT Time)



Name:James
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:And the campground is a very different place than where we camped on the march, which was basically an open field below the carousel.
June 14, 2010 18:38:10 (GMT Time)



Name:Ted T.
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Ahhh, Griffith Park...'cause I missed that little cough.
June 9, 2010 16:05:40 (GMT Time)



Name:Joe
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Cybele, I am so sorry that you lost your job. I hope that college is great for you.
June 9, 2010 14:02:51 (GMT Time)



Name:Laura M
Email:
HomePage:www.laparks.org/dos/camps/hollywoodland/pdf/rentalpk.pdf
Comments:Cybele, here is the link to the campsite at Griffith Park. It states that they can only take up to 180 people, but maybe that is negotiable if some are in tents.
June 9, 2010 03:48:33 (GMT Time)



Name:Cybele
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Well I am getting laid off by my company and going back to college, (I am 21 again) So I will be available to head up another kitchen at the 25th Reunion. Where is it? I really hope Griffith Park it seems so appropriate.
June 8, 2010 20:41:31 (GMT Time)



Name:Joe
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Sometimes a typo is just a typo - other times.....
May 26, 2010 11:21:46 (GMT Time)



Name:Great Peace Marc
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Love you too, Joe, and look forward to talking with you. I found the fb page and posted there.
May 26, 2010 02:34:42 (GMT Time)



Name:Joe
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:So sorry to hear about Paul. There is a GPM Facebook page, but I am not sure how to get there - perhaps you just search for Great Peace Marc. This makes me realize that I need to call you up and connect Marc. I will do so soon and love you very much. Hope all is well.
May 25, 2010 11:55:13 (GMT Time)



Name:Marc
Email:
HomePage:sad news
Comments:We have lost another marcher. Paul Loumena, husband of Alex (White) Loumena passed away of a heart attack last week. Paul was 57. He is survived by Alex and their daughter Danielle. Paul and Alex lived in Oakland for a number of years and I came to know Paul pretty well. We were in a writers' group together. Paul was an absolutely lovely person, a joy to be around, a beautiful man. Is there a GPM yahoo group, through which this announcement can be disseminated? Thanks. Peace to all.
May 24, 2010 21:39:11 (GMT Time)



Name:Paulien
Email:
HomePage:www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/may/19/syria-israel-bloggers-online-peace
Comments:Found an interesting article in a British newspaper today about peace efforts in cyber space. www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/may/19/syria-israel-bloggers-online-peace
May 19, 2010 09:04:00 (GMT Time)



Name:Joe
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Laura, if you are up for it then we will find out if we can organize the reunion. Really, I have no doubt about it. We have many marchers who can help us. We have a lot of experience and knowledge to rely on. We have the do-it-yourself spirit of the GPM itself to guide us. My family and I are moving back to Colorado on July 7th. My mother, sister and one brother are still in the Cleveland area where I partially grew up. I have no doubt that we can do it, if you have the desire and energy. Think about it and let me know. It is no problem either way. If we do not do organize the reunion, then I imagine that someone else will.
May 16, 2010 14:16:26 (GMT Time)



Name:Laura M
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Do you think we can plan a reunion in Cleveland from Costa Rica and Berlin?
May 15, 2010 22:09:56 (GMT Time)



Name:Joe
Email:Eight weeks left in Costa Rica
HomePage:http://
Comments:Time for me to reread the Articles of Confederation and the Constitution and maybe The Federalist Papers and Howard Zinn too. Down here in Costa Rica, it seems to me that the colonial mindset is very close to the surface and especially so with a particularly unconscious segment of the Costa Rican economic elite and US expats who live here. Central America has been colonized twice - once by the Spain and once by the US corporate/military power. It all has me thinking hard about my own colonial mindset - nurtured from birth. It also has me thinking hard about the upside of the experiment that is the United States and how to manifest that with my own actions. Did you think about the Cleveland offer, Laura?
May 13, 2010 19:42:25 (GMT Time)



Name:Laura M
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Paulien, I'm interested in your question re: the relationship between the EU constitution and the Articles of Confederation. The latter was a document with virtually no decision-making power. All sovereignty after US independence lay with the individual states. They coined their own currency, drafted their own laws, and established what amounted to national boundaries between the states. In effect, we had thirteen little nations. Those who espoused the Iroquois model hoped that the thirteen states could come together as the Iroquois tribes had, in times of need or emergency. But the economic upheaval after the war put the hope of a true confederation in jeopardy. It was Sheas (apostrophe) Rebellion that finally convinced the leaders of several states to call the convention to revise the Articles. Technically, I guess there couldn't have been a civil war because the states were not really a nation. The EU is already more aligned than the states were under the AofC.
May 13, 2010 15:39:53 (GMT Time)



Name:Laura M
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Those are interesting questions. Joe, your questions remind me of that medieval woodcut of the man reaching through the celestial sphere. With the staunch federalists like Madison at one end of the spectrum and the radical anti-federalists like Patrick Henry at the other, it is hard to make generalizations about the whole set of them. (Henry refused to attend the Philadelphia convention; Madison had his Virginia Plan all written up before he even arrived.) However, I think you are right to say that they were of a colonial mindset. How could they not have been? It was their milieu. At the same time, they struggled to push through to an Enlightenment vision of liberty, even if it was just for a tiny elite minority. To them it must have seemed like an enormous wave of change. So, I would agree that the document reflects both a colonial mindset and a visionary one.
May 13, 2010 15:25:30 (GMT Time)



Name:James
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Alex, I assume you are writing about Just One Step, Cathy Zheutlin's documentary about the GPM for GND? If so thanks, I had a small part in shaping that project and never tire of watching it.
May 10, 2010 04:22:18 (GMT Time)



Name:Axel Mainzer Koenig
Email:dspace21{at}aol.com
HomePage:http://
Comments:Even over 20 years after its creation, this documentary is emotional and shows a true conviction from the very beginning. The realism, that was captured, let the viewer be part of this experience whether they were actually participating in this peace march. This documentary also should be seen in schools around the country today, since it shows courage and how to practice democratic value in a peaceful manor.
May 10, 2010 00:37:44 (GMT Time)



Name:Paulien
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Fascinating discussion. Say Laura, do you think if the US had kept to those Articles of Confederation it could have prevented the Civil War? I see a lot of parallels with the forming of the European Union, so far the drafted constitution keeps getting voted down, but as there's so much economic turmoil here right now and we find ourselves more than just a little apprehensive about having to downsize our standard of living, I really worry about the political decisions being made in Brussels right now. They will effect not just our lives, but future generations as well, for many decades, even centuries. When you give power away, it is hard to get it back.
May 8, 2010 06:15:52 (GMT Time)



Name:Joe
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:So if you think it appropriate Laura, how would you characterize the US constitution as a colonial document and as a visionary document? By the way, have you given up on organizing a 25th reunion in Cleveland next year? If you are still interested, I will help and we can make it happen.
May 4, 2010 21:28:18 (GMT Time)



Name:Laura M
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:The US Constitution is near and dear to my heart. I grew up in a political family near DC, and government was an ongoing topic of conversation in my house. After the peace march, I spent eighteen years teaching 8th grade students about US history, including the Declaration and Independence, the Articles of Confederation and the US Constitution. With regard to the Iroquois influence, it was the concept of a confederation that Franklin and others borrowed. Few people realize how the States floundered under the Articles of Confederation and what turmoil ensued following independence from Britain. It was the economic and social upheaval that finally led to the convention in Philadelphia where the Articles were tossed aside and the US Constitution, with its power shift to a centralized government, was born. I often wonder how we would have evolved if we had survived the upheaval and learn to function as a confederation of free states rather than putting stock in a federal system.
May 4, 2010 08:40:31 (GMT Time)



Name:Joe
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Evan thanks for the heads up on the Iroquois constitution. I had forgotten about that influence on the US constitution. I will look it up and read it over. I have a Spanish language class on Wednesday with my teacher and we have been talking about the US constitution and colonization in the US in comparison to Costa Rica. Es muy interesante.
May 3, 2010 12:56:23 (GMT Time)



Name:Evan
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HomePage:http://www.indigenouspeople.net/iroqcon.htm
Comments:Very nice post, Joe. Your quest sounds fascinating, and resonates with me. Just to add trivia as I always tend to, one of the most overlooked sources for our constitution (but a VERY important one, in my opinion) was the Iroquois compact. Governing the five Iroquois tribes across America, it was a brilliant agreement, and I applaud Jefferson and others for learning from it. I mention it as the only non-colonial source of which I am aware. On the Peace March, we drew from its traditions, whether we knew it or not.
May 3, 2010 01:23:01 (GMT Time)



Name:Joe
Email:It must be the new reading glasses.
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Comments:There are a few life-themes that I have been exploring a lot recently. The first is the need to decolonize my own mind/heart/body. The founders of the USA were aristocratic colonists. While the constitution that they created came from that elite colonial mindset, it contains idealistic and visionary goals that can lift up humanity. It seems to me that the history of the USA is that we strive towards those goals while being dragged backwards by the mindset. How does my own mindset drag my back? The second is cultivating and rejoicing in simple companionship. The third is my own mortality. As I age and approach the end of my life, I value my loved ones more and more. That includes peace marchers of all stripes. How can I love more and judge less? How can I make the most of my remaining years?
May 2, 2010 14:31:07 (GMT Time)



Name:Joe
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Comments:Thank you Shanawa. There is no too late.
April 30, 2010 21:33:27 (GMT Time)



Name:Shanawa
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Comments:Thank you Joe, I will cut a check for $25 at the end of May, I hope that is not too late. Thanks again for keeping this site alive and kicking.
April 30, 2010 20:13:16 (GMT Time)



Name:Joe
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Comments:Thanks Laura. Joe Kinczel POB 1754 Nederland CO 80466
April 27, 2010 17:36:34 (GMT Time)



Name:Laura M
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Comments:Hello, Joe, Thank you so much for working all of that out. Would you please post your p.o. address again so I can donate? Thanks!
April 27, 2010 16:42:47 (GMT Time)



Name:Joe
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Comments:The site and domain name renewal will be automatic and done on my credit card. The hosting company also has my email address and phone number in case they need to communicate. The hosting company had my old credit card info along with Julia Ziobro's contact info which was why I was being charged and she was being contacted. That is all corrected now.
April 27, 2010 15:05:23 (GMT Time)



Name:Joe
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Comments:In order to keep this site up and running without interruption I just renewed the hosting with the mysite/50megs hosting company. I paid a total of $72.48. This includes an overdue amount from March 1st 2010 till today for $13.08 and a new yearly fee of $59.40. We will now be paying $59.40 per year which is a reduction from last year and are paid through April 27, 2011 ($13.08 + 59.40). The domain registration is also good until March 21, 2011 and after that will cost $49.75 for 5 years. This does not prevent us from moving the site if we want to, though the reduction in cost puts the hosting fee for this site in line with other hosting companies that have been investigated.
April 27, 2010 15:03:16 (GMT Time)



Name:Lynn & Frank
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Comments:Oh yes, one more thing, would someone who is into all of that stuff please post this on facebook. I know the facebook exists but. . . Thanks!!
April 27, 2010 01:31:37 (GMT Time)



Name:Lynn & Frank
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Comments:Continuation! To Vote for ECHS Online Go To: www.whitehouse.gov/commencement Watch the 3-minute student-created videos online Rate each school on a scale from 1 to 5 A “5” goes to the school that best meets the President’s Race To the Top Commencement Challenge goals – providing an education where every student graduates college and career ready. We Think You Will Rate Environmental Charter High School a "5"! 97 % of our students graduate college ready – in a state where the public school average is 32%. Vote for California’s only finalist! Vote for the only Green school! Thanks for Your Support. With Your Help We Will Bring President Obama to ECHS!
April 27, 2010 01:08:33 (GMT Time)



Name:Lynn & Frank
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Comments:Hi All! As some of you know Crystal goes to Environmental Charter High School and they are in a contest so we need your help! We’re in the Top 6! Vote Now To Bring President Obama to Our Graduation. The White House and the Department of Education recently named Environmental Charter School (ECHS) as a finalist in a nationwide competition - for exemplifying the president’s 2020 goal that every high school student will graduate college ready. From more than 1,000 applicants, ECHS is one of just 6 finalists selected to compete in a run-off voting contest to have the President deliver its 2010 commencement address. We Need Your Vote To Reach The Final Three! www.whitehouse.gov/commencement. More to follow!!!
April 27, 2010 01:04:56 (GMT Time)



Name:Shanawa
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Comments:[1] Send an email to your Senators: http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/568/t/1128/campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=26714 [2] CALL your US Senators' offices; Just dial 800-828-0498 and make a call registering your strongly negative opinion of S. 510! If not now, when? For 9 "talking points" about why the bill is just as we've described it, see - http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?p=5205
April 25, 2010 18:22:13 (GMT Time)



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Comments:1. Just Days to Stop Food Fascism! UPDATE: S.510 did not make it to the floor of the Senate this week! Your continued PUSH BACK is still holding it off. Please read below and TAKE THE ACTION ITEM AGAIN! We must innudate the Senate with emails to stop this travesty! Rumor in DC is that the forced-industrialization of food production bill, S.510, will come to a vote in the Senate this week or next week. If you value local, natural food production, NOW is the time to act! Please use this Action Item and send the message to the Senate: "NO FAKE FOOD SAFETY BILL". Demand strong, unequivocal protection for local, natural food production! Please forward this message to everyone you know and ask them to act too! Two action steps to take:
April 25, 2010 18:21:25 (GMT Time)



Name:JuliaZ
Email:juliaz{at}gmail.com
HomePage:http://www.facebook.com/pages/GPM-InfoComm-20/118996864784183?ref=nf
Comments:Luis, Great to see you here! There is a new place for GPMers to hang out... I have linked to it but you can also look here: http://www.facebook.com/pages/GPM-InfoComm-20/118996864784183?ref=nf InfoComm 2.0 is a Facebook page for us to hang virtual flyers out of the rain but in a highly visible place. I anticipate a high level of freedom but spam will be moderated off the page. Great Green March 2011... who is going to do part or all of it? I am so tempted... trying to figure out how it can or might fit into my life. We will see!
April 20, 2010 06:11:42 (GMT Time)



Name:Evan
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Comments:Hilarious, Paulien. Welcome Luis!
April 19, 2010 21:44:21 (GMT Time)



Name:James
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Comments:Luis HELLO! Great to hear from you.
April 19, 2010 14:27:28 (GMT Time)



Name:luis Pardo
Email:pardolj{at}gmail.com
HomePage:http://
Comments:hello again GPM family, I was very touched to see so many photos of the reunions in California etc, everyone is looking good. I am living in LA and SF ( travel a lot) and hoping to connect again with folks. Working on the Barbara Boxer campaign, and environmental justice issues, including health care. take care, Luis Pardo
April 19, 2010 02:47:25 (GMT Time)



Name:Paulien
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Comments:Hey Evan, just for you! here's Walter, the guy who wants to be a greeter at Walmart. He is a big hit here in Holland. Only second to Achmed the dead terrorist. Enjoy!
April 16, 2010 20:27:02 (GMT Time)



Name:Ted T.
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HomePage:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Il1WZwGjtEs&feature=related
Comments:And here is a classic energy use device...
April 15, 2010 22:10:50 (GMT Time)



Name:Joe
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Comments:Evan, again I am so happy that you are back here participating! Indeed, we are citizens of the USA, but our national government is largely controlled by the Fortune 1000 including WalMart. I feel hopeful because I know that the final script is not written and in fact is never written, but our democracy is truly in a sad state - perhaps even worse than our economy.
April 14, 2010 12:46:26 (GMT Time)



Name:Evan
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Comments:Number one employer in the U.S. = WalMart. Number one employer in China = WalMart. After the United States Defense Department, WalMart has the largest computer network in the world. While I agree with Joe about Brazil, India, etc., we may end up citizens of WalMart.
April 14, 2010 05:17:23 (GMT Time)



Name:Shanawa
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Comments:A very close friend of mine, Stephen Nalty who lives in Colorado sent me an email that directed me to a web sight that demonstrated the concept of a magnetic motor. It's development may lead to the replacement of the internal combustion engine. Check it out, it's a beautiful concept. Above is the link. Can you imagine being able to drive a car with out gas or deseal
April 14, 2010 05:15:55 (GMT Time)



Name:Joe
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Comments:Ted, the USA is certainly in a financial marriage of sorts with China. They make it, we buy it and then they send the profits back to the US when they buy our debt. However, the US is also the co-creator and epicenter of the post WWII capitalist financial trade and monetary system set up at Bretton Woods. The US has been partially exempt from those rules it created yet has imposed them on others through the World Trade Organization and the World Bank for decades. The Great Recession we are still experiencing has proved that the US is still exempt from the rules for the time being, but the wheel is turning. A multipolar financial world is emerging that the US will not control for long. Brazil, Russia, India, China are emerging financial superpowers on par or larger than the US, the EU, and Japan. When China re-absorbs Taiwan, it will rule the world financially. Right now the US is too big to fail, but the seeds for our failure in the future have been sown and are growing. Our children..
April 13, 2010 19:59:35 (GMT Time)



Name:Joe
Email:Come and visit!
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Comments:Paulien, our little town is Nederland which was founded by citizens of your country 150 years ago as a gold mining town. We actually live or will live when we return to the US outside of Nederland by about 5 miles. Nederland just legalized pot and is infamous for Frozen Dead Guy Days. Where we live we have a household water well 500 feet deep, we have a household septic system to process our sewage and we pay for our garbage/recycling pick up. We are on the electric grid for now and use propane for heat and hot water. The Gilpin county government maintains our roads and plows snow. Our property taxes pay for the schooling of our children. It is pretty spare and pretty simple governance. I do not know what town you are talking about, but Evan Conroy lives about 10 miles from us as does Darryl Purpose as does Jay Vogt. Irene Shonle lives less than a mile from us. We are in the middle of nowhere surrounded by pine trees and mountains and rivers and peace marchers. Could be worse.
April 13, 2010 19:36:18 (GMT Time)



Name:Evan
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Comments:Shanawa, you make some very good points. I agree about the people on this page striving for better. You've put me in an awkward place; I don't want to defend the existing government structures...I get very angry about the terrible things being done. I think about George Bush's grandfather, Prescott Bush and his battles with Ralph Nader's mother. Yes, there are royal families in America, and that's wrong. I don't want to argue a lot with you, I'm trying to listen. I just feel you put way to much trust in corporations. You resent big government,I resent big corporations. There we are. Be well and thrive, my friend.
April 13, 2010 18:48:32 (GMT Time)



Name:Shanawa
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Comments:There is a new way to think and socialism and communism are not it, socialism and communism have proved thought time that they are very controlling and toxic to the individual. They stifle dreams and keep you down. We have seen it with leader like Stalin, Hitler’s use of National Socialism and on and on. History has proven that these types of government have never bared fruit for the people it trampled on
April 13, 2010 16:48:09 (GMT Time)



Name:Shanawa
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Comments:Evan, they already attack us, kill us, steal from us. The Ruling Class Corporate/government’s use socialism, to control us all. They are pulling the wool over your eyes when you think that they are doing good while behind your back they are making plans and deals to keep you in the dark and prevent you from rising to your potential. We are all meant to live a happy life. Evan, I don't want to bring back slave class or sweat shops and use them in my business. What I am talking about the little Folk like you and I being able to change the world. A lot of you have said I am in a cult, Cults are based on the need to real you in and keep you close to a theology to control you. There never had been a cult that promotes the right of the individual.
April 13, 2010 16:47:23 (GMT Time)



Name:Shanawa
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Comments:It will end up hurting a single mother (and her children) who can’t afford to buy a newer car and has to drive an old beater. I will punish small business people like me who drive a full size van to travel and sell their goods. I use my van as an office and as a place to sleep when I am on the road. In the future I want to change from a gas engine to diesel and use alternative fuel, the carbon fee will only prolong that change, penalize me and restrict my ability to take my poetry and publishing company on the road. There is a Ruling Class Evan. It is plainly seen when senators stay senators all their lives. when their brothers and fathers are senators and presidents, When the wife of a former president runs for president and goes on to become the foreign secretary, when the son of a president becomes president. This power elite exists and thrives because we let it do so, because we fail to see it.
April 13, 2010 16:45:36 (GMT Time)



Name:Shanawa
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Comments:Evan I see no contradiction because I own an honest business. Every law that is suppose to stop big business is a joke because as we have learned the huge monopolizing government connected corporations get politicians to make loop holes and laws big corporations use go get around legislation that is suppose to stop them. Those laws that were passed to supposedly stop them are stopping small business like mine. We end up paying tax and footing the money for the fines. We small honest businesses can't and don't have the money or power to use loop holes and put money into politicians pockets to get laws passed to benefit us. Take for instance, Cap and Trade and the Carbon fee, who will this legislation effect? It will not be the big corporations they will simply pass on the cost to the consumer and get their cohorts (politicians) to create loop holes to get around it.
April 13, 2010 16:43:12 (GMT Time)



Name:Shanawa
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Comments:I will not, I know you will not Ted, I know it is not in the hearts of conscious of James, Joe, Even or anyone else on this GPM page. Our collective conscious has changed us as humans. True not every man and woman in the world have reached this platoon but we have. I believe that there are multitudes of us. I do not need Big Brother or government to tell me what to do. Our collective conscious does not come from government, Government is abstract it is we humans that strive to make a better world. Each and every one of us as individuals. Let me ask you a question Ted, I have asked many questions that have gone unanswered but maybe you can answer this. Will we solve all the woe you have questioned with the states quo? The government has become rotten with special interests forking money over to career politicians. Dizzy!!! No I am not dizzy I have taken control of everything that passes through my life. Joe you make a fantastic statement and point.
April 13, 2010 16:39:26 (GMT Time)



Name:Shanawa
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Comments:Very good questions Ted, Do I have the answer to all of them, No but I know that over regulation and taxation is the cause of losing jobs overseas. How do I and we start or restart any business or industry. Answer, from the ground up as I have done. I employ my daughter and her mother and business is good. Americans and people of the world will soon rise up from the bottom and find ways to build their business; it has always been that way. As far as raw materials in my business I have put together a business play to address this. I use recycled paper and non toxic ink in the production of my poetry. The mind and the evolution of conscious have made it so. Yes, we fought hard to stop child labor, establish a 40hr work week and safe working conditions. Do you think that anyone of us on this page that would establish and start a small business that prospered would stoop so low as to bring any of those vile working conditions into the structure of our business?
April 13, 2010 16:35:52 (GMT Time)



Name:Evan
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HomePage:http://reason.com/blog/2010/04/13/the-colorado-springs-experimen
Comments:Perhaps you are talking about Colorado Springs (see link above). They haven't eliminated taxes, but they have come close to going broke, and the citizen reaction has been "cut more". My home state is a strange place. Colorado Springs is the home of the "moral majority"...military, right wing christian activist...it is like much of the state, BUT then there is the Denver, Boulder, Aspen axis, which is home to some of the most liberal people in the United States. Politically, Colorado went "blue" in 2008 for the first time since 1976, voting for Obama, and Dems in congress. Both sides are united by a love of the outdoors (Colorado may be the most active state in the U.S., physically), but one side loves the hunting and the other side loves the environmental protection. Read the article above, we'll see how their "experiment" in smaller and smaller government works out. Does this mean they'll shut down the Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs? It is government, right?
April 13, 2010 16:00:19 (GMT Time)



Name:Evan
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Comments:Colorado is also my home state, but I haven't heard about this. I can't find it on a google search. Joe, do you know anything about it?
April 13, 2010 15:21:40 (GMT Time)



Name:Paulien
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Comments:Say Joe, someone told me the other day about a town in Colorado where people voted down taxes and they have to make their own arrangements for things like garbage. As that's your home state, what can you tell about that? How is it working out?
April 13, 2010 11:44:42 (GMT Time)



Name:Evan
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Comments:in their best interests to bring back a slave class, whether it is an already existing slave class (sweat shops), or a new one (eliminated middle class) I'm sure they appreciate your help.
April 13, 2010 06:04:19 (GMT Time)



Name:Evan
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Comments:Shanawa, do you read your own posts? On the one hand, these corporations did evil because of a corrupt government that protected them, while on the other hand, the government destroys the honest businesses? Do you see your own contradiction? With a separation of government and business as you ask for, how will you have this peace march? Making weapons is BIG money and BIG business, building that wealth you love. Do you think they will just stop because you marched? Or, with this lovely separation you want, perhaps they will just attack you, steal from you, even kill you. Why not? It's good money and it makes them wealthy. In fact, there are lots of ways to make tremendous wealth destroying Mother Earth, destroying people with less wealth and power. It's such a pretty vision, as long as you are wealthy and powerful and have no government to stop you. By the way, MY radical theory is that the ruling class, as you call them, are based on WEALTH, not politicians, and it is ...
April 13, 2010 06:02:48 (GMT Time)



Name:Ted T.
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Comments:Precisely Joe, given the amount China has invested in us, it would get dragged down too if we said we couldn't even plan on recovery....and I doubt the world economies would consider a reset to say...1938.
April 13, 2010 00:45:32 (GMT Time)



Name:Joe
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Comments:Ted, your idea that the USA is too big to fail (financially) is very interesting to me depending on how one actually defines the USA. It seems to me that individual citizens are allowed to fail. Cities and towns are allowed to fail. Small and medium sized corporations are allowed to fail. It can be argued that states have been allowed to fail - California for instance - seems to be falling apart at the seems and seems to be approaching bankruptcy. What has not been allowed to fail are large corporations that are financially embedded with the federal government and the federal government itself which supports, regulates and bails out such corporations. What the Bush years and the first part of the Obama years have made clearer and clearer is that there is very little difference financially between the federal government and the Fortune 1000. If you accept this description, then who can guarantee that the USA is too big to fail? Is it the rest of the world financial community?
April 12, 2010 13:31:39 (GMT Time)



Name:Ted T.
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Comments:Oh, and for taxes...I agree it's a battle to get our tax money spent on what we think is necessary, especially since the people with money don't want it spent on keeping an eye on them (see labor/environment bits above) or keeping them from amassing enough to make it worth their while to set up shop overseas. How much is enough? can we make you keep paying the 10 workers that your new robot displaced? do we tax you enough to pay for daycares or will you pay enough so your workers can afford it? same with health care? either way, Taiwan factories are waiting for your decision....dizzy yet?...(oh, and for you flat taxers, 15% matters more to me than to Oprah)
April 12, 2010 06:06:58 (GMT Time)



Name:Ted T.
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Comments:...knowing that times will get harder and products more expensive and we'll have less choice (if we are going to compete with Taiwan we can't be competing with each other now can we?). Oh, and do we sacrifice the land and the water for the products we need? that cotton takes a lot of water...even hemp needs a little. Ready to eat only what's in season? a days train away?....ready to shovel coal on a train? mine Uranium in four corners....maybe?....think most of America is?. Think you'll get far suggesting that your local sports team do without their new stadium in favor of community gardens?. Where's your money? big bank? jar under your bed? credit union?....mines tied up in food and rent futures. And no "if we just believe enough, Unicorns that shit money will manifest" type wishing. I'm already a bicycle mechanic, so I'm okay with a low-tech/impact future...but strawberries in December are nice.
April 12, 2010 05:53:22 (GMT Time)



Name:Ted T.
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Comments:Okay Shanawa...let's solve the Belgium problem (a former empire now a mediocre country). Government/Corporation colusion and our demand for cheap goods has resulted in Americas manufacturing base being abandoned in favor of overseas production....and the recent housing/tech/finance bubble collapse has us in huge debt (America is itself "too big to fail"). How do we (and by we I mean you) start or restart any business or even industry and get Americans working and producing our own goods in any sort of competitive manner?. Americans won't work for the wages necessary to make a manufacturing plant competitive (see cheap goods mention above), and raw materials are either in short supply or cheaper from overseas, or mechanization negates the need for labor. And given the restrictions on sweatshop treatment that Americans have fought for...(40 hour week, child labor, safe conditions, etc.) making labor cost what they are...how do we proceed?. Think Americans will work harder despite...
April 12, 2010 05:40:41 (GMT Time)



Name:Shanawa
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Comments:There was once a government and Nation in this world where the people believed that government could take care of everything, it fell apart because it taxed their honest, average business people to the point that they no longer had the motivation to run a business or start a new one. Business stopped flourishing, jobs were fewer, the tax base everyone depended on fell apart, people starved and the government crumbled. The Government was communism the nation was the USSR.
April 12, 2010 03:21:28 (GMT Time)



Name:Shanawa
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Comments:When I sell my work I gain a profit to feed, cloth and provide shelter for myself and my loved ones. Those who disdain profit and money are bound for poverty and dependence on government. I strive to make everyone wealthy because once everyone is wealthy no one has to look to government for the things they need and tax people to the poor house. Over taxation prevents people in business from hiring people, Taxes slow the economy. I want to make so much money that I can start a peace march that will bring down nuclear weapons. I want to make money and profit to provide health care for everyone I care about, I want everyone to be able to do so. Your way is to allow the RULLING CLASS to take care of us. Where is the empowerment in that? How do we empower ourselves by allowing big Brother to take care of us. Can I trust Government? Absolutely not.
April 12, 2010 03:15:47 (GMT Time)



Name:Shanawa
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Comments:James I simply don't agree, the corporations you talk about are backed, protected and used by politicians. It's politicians and the government that allows corporations to get away with what they do because most politicians are prostitutes who spread there wallets to gain financially from the corporations. It's politicians, government and the RULLING CLASS that allow Peabody coal to strip mine and other mining corporations to dig for uranium. You talk about greed and say it is only the corporations, I say look deeper and you will see that in every instance corporations get away with the ugly they do because there is a greedy power hungry politician who is part of government who get laws past that protect the corporations. I say separation of government and business. There is nothing wrong with profit and we the little people will strive for a place to be able to run our business without government forming monopolies to prevent us from doing that. There is danger in hating profit.
April 12, 2010 03:12:14 (GMT Time)



Name:James
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Comments:Shanawa, if we posted here every time a child died or was crippled by the U.S. corporate health care system or lack of access to said system it would go on forever. Those stories never make the paper though because its business as usual in America. I don't understand why you trust a wealthy bureaucracy (corporations) with no motive but greed and no possibility of influence by us to act in our best interest. Without govt. oversight we'd be seeing mine accidents like the one last week every day and they too would not be reported because it would be business as usual. I understand your mistrust of govt. but as its been said here already, they are at least minimally responsible to us. Corporations, without any govt. oversight, would be infinitely worse.
April 11, 2010 19:10:01 (GMT Time)



Name:Shanawa
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Comments:Ted I like the way you make excuses for blatant government ignorance. That child was taken away from his parents, we can't see how he was traumatized but there can be no doubt that he was. OK, that is one incident that is documented. I will keep my ears and eyes pealed and believe me I know more will come. After all no government truly has a heart only people do.
April 11, 2010 06:07:55 (GMT Time)



Name:Ted T.
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Comments:Actually this just sounds like an isolated incident (and no mention of whether the parents were jerks or not). And I'd rather see a 17 lb 2 year old than a 40 lb one. And as Data told his picky cat "perhaps hunger will compel you to try it again". No 2 year old is going to starve itself...maybe moms cooking sucked. And the State has a history of looking after childrens welfare (see Christian Scientist and vaccinations...vegetarians and well...a lot). And luckily the family was in a country with a system that let them feel comfortable taking their child to a doctor right away rather than waiting 'til it was bad enough to require an emergency room trip....or a call for a coroner.
April 11, 2010 05:09:18 (GMT Time)



Name:Shanawa
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HomePage:http://www.naturalnews.com/028534_junk_food_Social_workers.html
Comments:well youall, here is a story of social health care for you. Social workers take baby boy after mom refuses to feed him processed junk food. This is the web page to the story. http://www.naturalnews.com/028534_junk_food_Social_workers.html Do you not find this appalling. It happened in the EU. I am sure this is the tip of an iceberg of government/medical intrusion in peoples lives.
April 10, 2010 15:25:29 (GMT Time)



Name:James
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Comments:Sorry Joe, thought you were minimizing the influence of both religions. I had just read the kissing story and it was fresh in my mind.
April 9, 2010 18:23:12 (GMT Time)



Name:Joe
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Comments:The Dubai to Houston analogy was at best approximate. Thanks for pointing that out James. By the way, in my analogy I was actually trying to point out amongst other things a certain amount of social intolerance in both places and a sense of distaste for both religions. Regardless, I hope that it is an interesting move for Diane and her family.
April 9, 2010 12:03:23 (GMT Time)



Name:Shanawa
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Comments:I remember you Mat, I remember you at the end of the GPM and when you walked on the kings bay Georgia to Cape Canaveral walk as well. I don't know if you remember me, I was the one waring the traditional Native American Indian Clothing with the Eagle Feather Staff. I remember John Wish too. The Trident missile walk was much smaller in numbers then the GPM. Seeds of peace was born and was with us on that walk. I wish I could help you find John but I have not seen or heard of him since. You could try FaceBook and type in his name, Maybe he will come up. I found a lot of people from the past that way. It is good to hear from you and know you are well. Tell us more of what you have done since then. May the best come to you.
April 9, 2010 07:54:37 (GMT Time)



Name:Matt Goldman
Email:groovejockey{at}yahoo.com
HomePage:http://www.facebook.com/matthewlovesme
Comments:Hi, My name is Matt and i was at the end of the March getting arrested peacefully at the DOE and subsequently went on to march from kings bay Georgia to Cape Canaveral to protest to test launch of the trident missile and from Portsmouth NH to Groton Ct. I was 17 in 1986 and this March changed my life. I'm so happy to find a group online. I know this is far fetched as there were so many people who were part of this and this is so long ago but i met the most beautiful friend through this. His name was John Wish and i have not seen him since that time. It would be so nice to find him. If you have any suggestions or places i might try let me know. I was a part of the young hippie contingent. God that was so great. I am still committed to bringing love into the world as best i can and i am very excited to hear about the things that are happening now that people who have been carrying on are up too
April 9, 2010 04:49:50 (GMT Time)



Name:James
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HomePage:http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8602449.stm
Comments:Per Dubai- " It is Muslim in the same way that Houston is Christian"... Unless you want to kiss in public. See above.
April 8, 2010 18:46:55 (GMT Time)



Name:Joe Kinczel
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Comments:Thank you Diane for reminding me again why I love the GPM Guestbook. Good luck in Dubai. I just had a group from Bradley University return from there on a trip that I organized. Dubai is a very interesting place. It is very cosmopolitan and brand new built up from the desert with all the pluses and minuses that entails. It has folks from all over the world there. It is Muslim in the same way that Houston is Christian if that makes any sense to you. It is wealthy but with poverty too. I don't remember you from the march and probably you don't remember me, but I would love to hear from you when you and your family are in Dubai. My family and I are completing the last few months of a year-long adventure in Costa Rica before we move back to Colorado in July. Peace.
April 8, 2010 13:17:43 (GMT Time)



Name:Diane Licholat-Surati (Sarotte)
Email:dsurati{at}aol.com
HomePage:http://
Comments:Just ran across this website. I have lost touch with so many of you over the years. Living in Michigan (since 2006), married with an almost 7-year old son. My husband recently took a job in Abu Dhabi and we will be moving there (living in Dubai) after school gets out this summer. Plan to be there for a couple years. Been teaching in Montessori elementary past couple years - Peace Education is such a big part of the curriculum, don't know how I could ever be in any other education environment (teaching conflict resolution to young children is such a gift - for them and for me!) Became a quilter about 10 years ago and play with so many memories (including from 1986) in fabric. Keep on... Peace, Diane
April 8, 2010 03:53:08 (GMT Time)



Name:Joe
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Comments:If I have time this coming week, I will call up the hosting company and see what the story is. I do not know why they are bothering Julia as they have been billing my card for a while now.
April 3, 2010 18:59:36 (GMT Time)



Name:Shanawa
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Comments:Brought to you by author Nigel Johnson-Hill
April 3, 2010 00:33:21 (GMT Time)



Name:Shanawa
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Comments:Another point: These pigs that I plan not to rear will not eat 2,000 tonnes of cereals. I understand that you also pay farmers for not growing crops. Will I qualify for payments for not growing cereals to not feed the pigs I don't rear? I am also considering the "not milking cows" business, so please send any information you have on that too. Please could you also include the current DEFRA advice on set aside fields? Can this be done on an e-commerce basis with virtual fields (of which I seem to have several thousand hectares)? In view of the above you will realise that I will be totally unemployed, and will therefore qualify for unemployment benefits. I shall of course be voting for your party at the next general election.
April 3, 2010 00:02:47 (GMT Time)



Name:Shanawa
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Comments:As I see it, the hardest part of this programme will be keeping an accurate record of how many pigs I haven't reared. Are there any Government or Local Authority courses on this? My friend is very satisfied with this business. He has been rearing pigs for forty years or so, and the best he ever made on them was £1,422 in 1968. That is - until this year, when he received a cheque for not rearing any. If I get £3,000 for not rearing 50 pigs, will I get £6,000 for not rearing 100? I plan to operate on a small scale at first, holding myself down to about 4,000 pigs not raised, which will mean about £240,000 for the first year. As I become more expert in not rearing pigs, I plan to be more ambitious, perhaps increasing to, say, 40,000 pigs not reared in my second year, for which I should expect about £2.4 million from your department. Incidentally, I wonder if I would be eligible to receive tradeable carbon credits for all these pigs not producing harmful and polluting methane gases?
April 3, 2010 00:01:19 (GMT Time)



Name:Shanawa
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Comments:Dear Secretary of State, My friend, who is in farming at the moment, recently received a cheque for £3,000 from the Rural Payments Agency for not rearing pigs. I would now like to join the "not rearing pigs" business. In your opinion, what is the best kind of farm not to rear pigs on, and which is the best breed of pigs not to rear? I want to be sure I approach this endeavour in keeping with all government policies, as dictated by the EU under the Common Agricultural Policy. I would prefer not to rear bacon pigs, but if this is not the type you want not rearing, I will just as gladly not rear porkers. Are there any advantages in not rearing rare breeds such as Saddlebacks or Gloucester Old Spots, or are there too many people already not rearing these?
April 3, 2010 00:00:06 (GMT Time)



Name:Paulien
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Comments:Amen Evan! There IS a lot of love in this world. A lot of less appetizing stuff too, so I would like to join Julia in wishing you the good stuff. Have a wonderful easter weekend, you guys!
April 1, 2010 17:41:31 (GMT Time)



Name:Evan
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Comments:Thanks for the love comment, Julia. I'm getting worn down by all the hate. Of course, the Tea Party and their hate, the corporate defenders and their hate, but even stupid things...hate blogs about television shows...attacks on children by those wonderful people O'Reilly and Beck. Just so tired of hate. Even on this page, the anger builds. I've let it get to me here before, but now I am more careful how much time I spend here. Thanks, Julia. Good to know there's still a little love left in the world.
April 1, 2010 13:28:54 (GMT Time)



Name:Shanawa
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Comments:This month of March marked the 40 aniversary of Day Brake Star a NAI cultural center. It was established when Burney White Bear came back from the occupation at Alcatraz. He got people to occupy a part of land the Army was going to give to the city. The festivities included a small walk across the park on the 8th, a Pow Wow on the 27 and a community dinner on the 28. I was honored and given the Eagle Staff to walk in front of the walk, It was in the paper. So many people came and talked of how they withstood the police beating, One man who is the son of the police chief came with a story that the mayor told him to get even tougher on the Indians and get them out The Police Chief turned to the Mayor and told him he would not order his men to use anymore force. My daughter, now 21 was an alumni of a day care that was established at Day Brake Star and walked with us on the walk across the park. Not many cities have a NAICultural tucked away in a park overlooking a body of water. beautiful
March 31, 2010 10:32:46 (GMT Time)



Name:JuliaZ
Email:juliaz{at}gmail.com
HomePage:http://www.facebook.com/jziobro
Comments:Barbara, Apparently they still have a truly ancient credit card on file for me... I paid for the site (mostly) until ~2006 or so... and I think that card has expired in any case. It is actually just an annoyance... but because I keep getting these messages, I needed to make sure that the site was not going to be removed if I did not pay, while making sure also that they were not being paid twice and not giving us appropriate credit. My husband is going to help move us to a cheaper site hosting company that uses 100% green power! Once Joe is back in the country, John and Joe will work on this. :-) Love to all, even if we do not totally agree about everything.
March 31, 2010 07:27:20 (GMT Time)



Name:Barbara
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Comments:Joe, What is the story with Julia also being billed? Did the company do it by mistake? Was it resolved?
March 30, 2010 15:06:54 (GMT Time)



Name:Joe
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Comments:Thank you Paulien for your generous contribution to the website cost.
March 30, 2010 14:35:02 (GMT Time)



Name:Shanawa
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Comments:Then there is the assumption that Alcoholism and poverty somehow only belong to the NAIndian when in reality it is a problem in every race. How can we hope to bring civility to the debate in politics when we can't even do it here on this page? I will be the first to say I am not innocent of this but then these are questions???????
March 29, 2010 19:25:32 (GMT Time)



Name:Shanawa
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Comments:I find it hard to understand what you mean by civility. I for one can't stand Palin, her use of cross-hairs and don't retreat and reload are the wrong kind of metaphor to be using but is it any different then terms used on this very page against a fellow peace marcher? Terms like Cult, appalled, disgusting, pseudo-science and New Age Pollyanna promises? Calling up fear is also a form of violence. I have been attacked here by people I consider friends because I believe in the promise of Neo Think. When it comes to the term baby-killers I find that both the right and the left have used this term. There are people who hate the rich as much as some people hate gays. It seems to me that the rich are a minority that should stand up for their own rights and stop people from thinking that taxing them more is just because they have more money that they earned.
March 29, 2010 19:23:46 (GMT Time)



Name:Paulien
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Comments:There was one young woman on the march who taught me something really, really important: she said you could do anything for peace and it would work - dance for peace, bake a cake for peace, literally ANYTHING. Thank you, young woman, where ever you are now, I hope you are still dancing...
March 28, 2010 07:31:03 (GMT Time)



Name:Paulien
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Comments:There were many other people on the march who turned out to be pivotal influences on the turn my life is taking, meeting Cobin Harney was a big one. He is gone now, but he left each of us he touched with a task to do what we can caring for life on this planet. Well, I am not traveling the world anymore these days, but the world now comes to me at my work. My job is teaching Dutch to immigrants, in itself wonderful work, helping people make sense of what is being said and being able to communicate. But there is more to it, the students themselves, teaching some of them to read and write, opening a whole new world for themselves. And the interaction between the students, they become friends - even the ones who in their country of origin were arch-enemies. So it turns out to be about promoting peace and justice in a new way. The justice part is also close to my heart. Specially teaching a group of women rescued from forced prostitution, sex-slavery.
March 28, 2010 07:27:18 (GMT Time)



Name:Paulien
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Comments:Sure Barbara, but what I would really like to do is tell how the past connects to the future, to the here and now. Of course my childhood experiences count for some, seeing so much of the world, and coming to see the planet and the human race as one, diverse as it is. But the march was also a much bigger influence than I ever realized when I was on it! I have a pretty sharp tongue at times and when I started out on the march I often criticized America and you Americans, till Ann Edelman took me to task about it one day, saying the way I went about it was hurtful and aggressive. That was not my intention, so I was floored by it, but she was right and it did get me started on finding other, much better ways to communicate. On the outreach bus there were these Quaker guidelines to public speaking, and they opened a new world for me. I am still opinionated and outspoken, but hopefully not in a hurtful way.
March 28, 2010 07:23:32 (GMT Time)



Name:Barbara
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Comments:I hear you on that Ted. Much the same as I have been thinking these days. Pauline, I find your story very interesting. Can we hear more?
March 28, 2010 01:42:53 (GMT Time)



Name:Ted T.
Email:tdthomas16{at}att.net
HomePage:http://
Comments:Okay, back to basics.....Palin on her blog, had crosshairs on Democrats offices and the phrase "Don't retreat...reload"....no implications there?. How do we bring nonviolence back into the debate?. Civility is being used merely as a buzzword for "don't shoot at us" with "you lie" and "babykiller" used and apoligized for (wink,wink,nudge,nudge). I fear the rhetoric more and more each day....and the fear has gotten to me. And the immigration debate is gonna be a doozy...I think we should cap it at 1491 levels, but that may be unrealistic. And now the Indians (not the Native Americans) are cutting and running for home. Most Americans seem to be sitting it out and just watching from the sidelines, with only the haters posting everywhere. I post where I can, but I'm just one man. Anybody interested in opening a factory to build something?..oh, wait they took the Buy American bit out of the Stimulas Bill...so we should open it in China. Whatever happened to that planned community talk?
March 27, 2010 22:36:22 (GMT Time)



Name:Paulien
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Comments:Yes Joe, my Dad started out in a colonial law, needless to say that was a short-lived carrier! Being also a specialist in international trade laws he stayed on in an advisory capacity to the newly independent Indonesia. My Mom also worked at the embassy doing cultural exchanges. We traveled a lot, living three months at a time in various Asian countries. But most of the time we lived in Indonesia. The wars I saw were of course the war of Indonesian independence, but also on the Moluccan Islands, people fighting Indonesia for their own independent republic. Also in North Sumatra in Aceh, where the fighting still flares up from time to time these days. Also people fighting militias in struggles over the resources. Political struggles. In the end some 20 families from the island of Java wound up calling the shots, very much like in the Philippines. Their relatives got the important jobs on all the other islands and it still causes friction and bloodshed.
March 26, 2010 18:20:50 (GMT Time)



Name:Joe
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Comments:Paulien, I too am happy with the increased activity here. I fully respect Shanawa's right to live his life as he sees fit and I also have the right not to engage with him regarding Neo Tech or The Twelve Visions. As to your childhood, how did you start off in Indonesia, were your parents somehow part of the Dutch colonial presence there? What sort of fighting was going on there? It still seems so conflictual in Indonesia. Did you move around there a lot? At what point did you move back to Holland and how did that feel? I have so many questions, but don't want to pry. It feels like we are continuing a conversation that we started 24 years ago.
March 26, 2010 15:41:23 (GMT Time)



Name:Paulien
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Comments:Joe, you were also interested in hearing about my impressions on EU integration, but I am afraid I am still very undecided over many of the issues. But I could mention a few: I am not exactly happy with people representing only THEIR country in the European parliament. Also I think the expansion is going way too fast, I see a trend of opening up to our neighbors, but simultaneously closing up to folks from other continents. I am keeping a real close eye on EU decisions being made when it comes to refugees and immigration in general! When it comes to the economics of it, it is also a worry, especially in these hard times. Granted, the EU has done wonders for the quality of life in countries like Poland and Ireland, but not so for the Greeks. I find myself wondering if the common market can work out if it keeps expanding itself at this rate, it is so very complicated and bigger is not necessarily better...
March 26, 2010 15:24:52 (GMT Time)



Name:Paulien
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Comments:Though I love the discussion which has suddenly flared up on this page, I must admit being more than just a little appalled by neo think! But on another subject Joe, I don't mind talking about my childhood in South East Asia. Mostly Indonesia, more than 3000 islands, each with a subtly unique culture. Religiously very diverse: Hindi, Muslims, Christians and Animists. White beaches, black beaches, mountains and rain forests. Many languages, I have forgotten them now, but as a child I spoke dialects of Malay and Cantonese. Where I lived the folks were poor, but there were plenty of fruits and vegetables growing everywhere, and everyone shared, so there was no hunger. On most islands preparing food was considered an Art, and everyone was an Artist. In that way it a truly wonderful a childhood, it could have been paradise, but of course there was also a lot of war and fighting going on, the aftermath of World War II and the Cold War starting up.
March 26, 2010 13:50:40 (GMT Time)



Name:Joe
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Comments:On yet another another subject, Darryl Purpose and Doug/Jani/Canyon McWilliams are coming down here to visit us for the next week or so. We will all go to visit Monteverde which was settled by US Quakers fleeing the Korean War draft. We will also visit Tabacon hot springs near Arenal volcano and then on to Samara beach on the Pacific Ocean. We can't wait as our kids are off school for the next two weeks for Easter break. We will be peace marchers on zip lines, in the jungle, in hot springs on a volcanic slope and on the beach and in the ocean. This is the march we signed up for!
March 25, 2010 23:11:51 (GMT Time)



Name:Joe
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Comments:On another subject, what do folks think about immigration "reform"? It seems to be the next big issue and I am not particularly well educated about it.
March 25, 2010 11:53:50 (GMT Time)



Name:Shanawa
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Comments:I walked across the nation on the Longest Walk to tell people about the need for a respect for nature. My poetry is based on that. Who are you to tell me how I should think!!! As far as exploitation you exploit every time you dig in your garden to plant food or turn on the faucet to get a glass of water. Every thing goes back to nature no matter what we make. If it is not maintained by humans it crumbles back to nature. We are the creators here on this plain of life, we create what we make and can solve any problem when we put our minds to it. So let's get off the race crap. As far as your hate for he, him and men I will not even bother with that. I had enough of that on the walk and thank creation that not all women think like you do on that level. If anyone wants to know more about what Neo Think is about then go to www.twelvevisionsparty.com On that web page Mark Hamilton speaks himself about the future we are building.
March 25, 2010 08:21:45 (GMT Time)



Name:Shanawa
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Comments:Julia I find it hard to believe that you think that only the wealthy have drug problems, engaged in other self- destructive behaviors and cheat on their wives. By the way wives cheat on their husbands too which you some how left out, like some how only men cheat. I have been part of Neo Think since 2005, I have in my possession four books more then two inches thick and am about to buy my fifth. I have read more literature on Neo Think then you can imagine. You on the other hand have read very little compared to me. You are not informed enough to say anything about my position. YOU are doing nothing but arguing on the most surface level. It is funny how you live in a modern society as a white woman taking advantage of all the benefits of electricity indoor toilets, running water and traveling down the road then tell me that I should be more in tune with nature because I am a Native American!! I am so tired of hearing that crap from white people.
March 25, 2010 08:15:28 (GMT Time)



Name:Laura M
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Comments:My goal is global nuclear disarmament.
March 25, 2010 07:05:00 (GMT Time)



Name:JuliaZ
Email:juliaz{at}gmail.com
HomePage:http://www.facebook.com/jziobro
Comments:Twelve Visions advances WEALTH, HEALTH and PEACE as their three goals. My three goals are different: HEALTH, HAPPINESS and PEACE. I do not think wealth leads to happiness. On the contrary, if you look around, you will see that many wealthy people are "free" on the surface, but they are desperately UNhappy, cheating on their spouses, addicted to drugs, or engaged in other self-destructive behaviors. Happy people are just happy. I'm more interested in that. You can have the wealth, brother, I just need enough to get by.
March 25, 2010 06:00:28 (GMT Time)



Name:JuliaZ
Email:juliaz{at}gmail.com
HomePage:http://www.facebook.com/jziobro
Comments:Shanawa, I expect more of you, my friend. If you are going to follow a belief system, you should investigate it thoroughly. You should read the writings of its leader(s). In twenty minutes of reading (I am a FAST reader) I had read enough to convince me of the illness of their philosophy. And they are NOT about empowering women; everything is "he" and "him" and "businessman" and "profit". Nothing about families, children, or looking out for others. We are at opposite poles and you will not get me to agree to be part of their incredibly selfish, wasteful system. It seems that they are against direct violence. Wonderful. Consider, however, that exploitation is another form of violence... it seems being Native American you would be personally, painfully aware of that. I wish you peace, but I am not interested in discussing this cult with you further. You are not informed enough about your own position to do anything but argue on the most surface level.
March 25, 2010 05:55:42 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Oh and Julia, As far as women are concerned just how do you think that Neo Think dose not want women to have rights. You are not listening!!! Neo Think is for the right of the individual to be free of initiatory force. So no one, No one can tell an individual woman what she can and can not do unless she uses initiatory force against another. Women are just as free and independent as men.
March 25, 2010 04:03:02 (GMT Time)



Name:Shanawa
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Comments:Julia I am not sad that I am part of Neo Think. I Love it. It is your way of thinking that we are interdependent that is a sorry way to think. We are independent people who chose to interact with others. Health, wealth, happiness and love for everyone.
March 25, 2010 03:49:37 (GMT Time)



Name:Shanawa
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Comments:In all that I have read in Neo Think and Neo Tech I have never once read that the poor are parasites. I will say that socialism and the people that believe in it are parasites. They are for the most part always wanting the rich to pay their way. I am not rich and never have been but it is simply wrong for a system (socialism) to believe it can tax the rich to get what it wants. It is wrong to steal from anyone regardless of what the cause or so called higher purpose is. As a matter of fact the literature I have read that I did buy states that one of the goals is to make all people rich including the poor. As far as resources being finite is clearly the thought that we will be forever bound to the earth. We are children of the universe, a never ending source of resources since the universe is forever and always expanding. There is a lot of disinformation out about Neo Think but Socialism, Julia and Gene has a horrendous history of treating people under it's grip.
March 25, 2010 03:48:28 (GMT Time)



Name:Gene
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HomePage:http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.unabomber/msg/f2a168a22e24b8d7
Comments:Check out website above. Fun and interesting! Discusses such questions as “Neo-Tech is a blend of New Age pollyanna promises, psuedo-science, and Objectivism.” 1. What is Neo-Tech/ZonPower? 2. Who is Dr. Frank R. Wallace? 4. Why does he use a pen name? 5. Who are the real people behind Neo-Tech? 7. What are the Neo-Tech publications? 8. How much does this stuff cost? 9. Did Wallace Ward (Frank R. Wallace) really spend time in jail? 11. Is Wallace Ward crazy? 12. Is Neo-Tech/ZonPower a cult? 15. Did Frank R. Wallace really write a book on how to cheat at cards? 16. Does Neo-Tech really claim that faster than light communication is possible? 18. Does Neo-Tech really promise unlimited power? 19. Does Neo-Tech really claim that consciousness controls existence? 20. Does Neo-Tech really claim that space aliens exist? 21. Does Neo-Tech really claim that the dead can be resurrected? 24. Who are the defenders of Neo-Tech on usenet? 26. Does Neo-Tech consider homosexuality wrong?
March 25, 2010 01:49:26 (GMT Time)



Name:Julia Z
Email:juliaz{at}gmail.com
HomePage:http://www.facebook.com/jziobro
Comments:Shanawa said: "It is what I meant by saying that the majority in this country participated in this genocide, turned their back or remained ignorant." I have a few comments. I do not believe that most Americans have participated in the genocide against Native Americans. I say sometimes at work (usually in frustration) "I do not know what I do not know!" In other words, most of us are unaware of our areas of ignorance. Most Americans have some awareness that Native Americans have historically been treated very badly; many have some inkling that things are still not right, because we hear stories about alcoholism and poverty on reservations (and by the way, Twelve Visions would characterize nearly ALL Native Americans as "PARASITES"). But most of us have NO IDEA that these things are still happening. How should we find out? I found out about the Lakota freezing on Facebook but then I was treated badly. It was not a good way to begin, but it does not make me a committer of genocide. Peace
March 25, 2010 01:21:25 (GMT Time)



Name:JuliaZ
Email:juliaz{at}gmail.com
HomePage:http://twelvevisionsworld.com/2009/06/16/the-following-excerpts-come-from-the-publication-%e2%80%9ct
Comments:From the Twelve Visions platform, chapter 3. I most emphatically state that this is NOT the America that *I* want to live in... I just want you to read some of the stuff they are putting out there as desirable in their Wealth-Health-Peace propaganda. It is, quite frankly, disgusting to me. "America should be far ahead of all other countries, leading the way for the rest of the world into new realms of prosperity. The standard of living should be far above any other country, and the adults should be more wealthy than those in any other country...more wealthy than the Japanese...every American adult should be driving a new Cadillac and living in a quarter-million-dollar home!!!" The whole thing is available at the link posted with my post. I say again that I DO NOT agree with what I have posted here. In fact, to me, this sort of attitude is what is WORST about America, and why (go ahead, call me a communist, I do not care) I WANT America to falter and fall. The end of an empire, hooray!
March 25, 2010 01:14:20 (GMT Time)



Name:JuliaZ
Email:juliaz{at}gmail.com
HomePage:http://twelvevisionsworld.com/
Comments:Reading the Twelve Visions stuff, it reads like a pure doctrine of "power over" instead of the much more peaceful "power with" that I try hard to operate from in my life. This Twelve Visions stuff is not for me. It strikes me as more domination, less care for others, less sense that we are all in anything together, and at least for me, it would lead to despair. And yet we are all interdependent, even if this Hamilton guy would like to deny it. We are all bound directly to this fragile little earth. Anything I take for myself is not shared with you and this might do you harm, wealth be damned. The resources are finite. Shanawa, you speak of wishing to have more voices of women involved in the discussion. The Twelve Visions material is some of the most male-focused literature I have read. Have you called them to task on this issue? Unemployed people are PARASITES? Have you actually READ this stuff? It is very toxic. I am sorry you are mixed up in it.
March 25, 2010 01:07:46 (GMT Time)



Name:Julia Z
Email:juliaz{at}gmail.com
HomePage:http://www.facebook.com/jziobro
Comments:Shanawa, it is difficult to be friends with people who are convinced you are the enemy. I tried to do some work with the Lakota, who were freezing this winter, and was told that "we do not want blankets from white people, but you could pay propane bills if you wanted to." Our financial situation was such that OUR heat was turned off in February (ask Evan), but I wanted to share the abundance of blankets we had. What can I say? As for the Neo-Think folks, they are not a new way of thinking at all. It is the same old profit-driven, screw everyone else attitude that other groups have held. And by the way, the neothink website will almost give you a heart attack, there is so much going on there visually! LOL "Wealth - Health - Peace"? I can't believe you'd fall for an organization that builds wealth and health for rich people on the backs of poor people. What a huge disappointment. I have worked with the UN, by the way, and they are mostly kind-hearted people, not hacks. Peace
March 25, 2010 01:01:35 (GMT Time)



Name:Shanawa
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Comments:James you are my favorite talking sparer. I do agree with you post as far as the slave holding Indian killing forefathers. I acknowledge this as truth. That said I also acknowledge that the spirit of freedom of the individual is a good and beautiful way to live, I believe that is what Jill is speaking of.
March 25, 2010 00:35:23 (GMT Time)



Name:Shanawa
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Comments:Gene, I have stated time and again that I was part of Neo Think and the Twelve Visions party. I don't need to post something to say that most of you on this page think and SPEAK the same socialistic way. Please watch the name calling, Neo Think is not a CULT. I could easily say that socialism is the largest cult in the world and infects your minds through its brainwashing and that I hope you escape from it! I am a 54 year old adult who knows what is good and bad. I ask you the same question I had asked Barbara when she said the same thing using fear and calling it a cult. Barbara never answered it. What cult do you know of that promotes the right of the individual? There is none, never has been one and never will be a cult that promotes the right of the individual. None of you don't even have an idea of what Neo Think is about. Neo Think is just that a new way of thinking. The Twelve Visions party is a political movement and now a political party.
March 25, 2010 00:34:12 (GMT Time)



Name:Shanawa
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Comments: Please don't be defensive we are talking politics here and in doing so it comes with a certain flame. I have had my enemies on the walk but by far you were never one of them. Your are correct when you say I don't believe in the numbers that the World Health Organization and the United Nations post. These are bloated centralized political machines which buy and sell experts to paint what they want to project. When I say socialistic I am on the money because social governments even if they claim they are a democracy are using government to gain power over the people. It is the same with the United Nations because they are mostly made of countries the use socialism to gain power over us.
March 24, 2010 23:26:32 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Julia, I am not trying to alienate you that is the last thing I would want to do. There is no voice inflection in the written word but if there were I would have told you in a soft tone. We need more participation of the women here. In a way you hit the nail on the head in describing your lack of knowledge, I say this in a loving way because like everyone here on this page you are companionate people but it is the lack of knowledge I talked about concerning what has happened to Indian people of the Americas. It is that lack of knowledge that allows the politicians and corporations to get away with what they do. It is what I meant by saying that the majority in this country participated in this genocide, turned their back or remained ignorant.
March 24, 2010 23:26:00 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Welcome back Evan.
March 24, 2010 20:52:18 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Yeah Gene, I asked her because the language told me something was up. :)
March 24, 2010 20:19:41 (GMT Time)



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Comments:"love and passion of our forefathers" eh? You mean the slave holding indian killing forefathers?
March 24, 2010 15:42:19 (GMT Time)



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Comments:That was me, Evan! I found that post by Jill on the Internet while researching the Twelve Vision Party. I posted it to show how others in the movement speak just as Shanawa does.
March 24, 2010 15:11:18 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Jill, have you been to the page before? Are you a peace marcher? Tell us more about you.
March 24, 2010 10:01:19 (GMT Time)



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Comments:I attended the Twelve Visions Party of New Jersey and found so many smart loving people. The presenters at the hall were all bubbling with hope for America. We saw a video address by Mark Hamilton, founder of the Neothink Society and The Twelve Visions Party. What loving men and mentors. They spoke of each of us in America becoming self-leaders yet following the party to success for all the People to join the greatest get rich program ever! It truly is. We will see prices drop and quality improve as America’s government is returned to its proper function of protection only. Not a social good country but one of individual freedom as planned by our forefathers. Mark Hamilton has the love and passion of our forefathers. He believes in men and women and knows how we can all prosper and live happily as we are supposed to. Thank you Mark Hamilton for believing in America and freedom for all. We must return to a place of prosperity or we fall harder than we now have. Sincere thank you Mark
March 24, 2010 06:18:08 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Shanawa, apparently, is involved in the Neo Tech movement and the Twelve Visions Party which look like a mishmash of Ayn Rand Objectivism, Scientology, a multi-level marketing scheme, and a cult. Check out http://www.ripoffreport.com/multi-level-marketing/nouveau-tech-secret/nouveau-tech-secret-society-no-ff85j.htm Do a lot more research on the Internet as well. Very interesting, but very sad also that one of our own has fallen into this snare! It reminds me of the time I ended up on a Moonie brainwashing farm in Booneville, CA. I managed to escape and I hope you do too, Shanawa.
March 24, 2010 06:13:51 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Shanawa, I did not want to speak to the issues with the Indian Health Service because I have no direct experience with the system and do not know what the issues are. I am not denying that there are serious issues, and I do not understand why you are trying to alienate me -- I am likely to be your ally. I am sorry that you do not think the information I shared about the quality of the health and health care system here is legitimate. Do you know better sources than the World Health Organization and the United Nations? The numbers came from them. It is amazing to me that you speak of socialist nations (like perhaps France and the UK) as "crumbling" and failing, but imply that our allegedly-democratic nation is not crumbling. Many of the nations on the WHO list are major countries -- Japan, France, among others, with great racial diversity. I linked to the data so you can read it and think about it for yourself. I would argue that our nation is in as much trouble as they are. Peace.
March 24, 2010 00:44:48 (GMT Time)



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Comments:As far as you challenge of finding a single documented case of people going to jail for not having their children vaccinated in the United States thus far cannot be found but wait and see what happens as this Obamacare takes effect. I will tell you this when It does happen under Obamacare I will be the first to pounce and let you know. As far as the rest of the world you gave those stats of I myself talked to a woman from France, who now lives here in Seattle, who told me that we have a freedom here that they don’t have with Frances socialized medicine. She told me that the government of France threatened to take her child away and prosecute her for child neglect for refusing to give her child inoculations. She told me she was glad we and she have the freedom of choice.
March 23, 2010 23:00:42 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Julia Z, the numbers and stats that you speak of are so out there it is not even funny. Of those top 20 countries you speak of how many have the population or the land mass we the U.S. have??? How many have the racial mix and dynamic we have???? To brush aside what has happened to Native American Indians and say you will not talk of it makes me wonder do you feel that way about other races. I am sure you don't but you should look at what you say. What has happened to Native American Indians is part of our make up as a country and you must be as responsible for changing it as much as I am. I am not here to push my point just stand up for what I believe would be a better way to live. You all spake politics so can I. Socialism of Government is not the answer. Its been tried time and time again and failed.
March 23, 2010 22:40:26 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Our Constitution, the U.S. Constitution has been shredded, torn apart by the many misinterpretations of it made by federal judges! With this Prime Law of No Initiatory Force being allowed by any person or group, WE THE PEOPLE would be able to have all of those misinterpretations of the United States Constitution revoked, therefore returning our country to the free and prosperous nation it once was. WE THE PEOPLE would require that all politicians and judges sign a contract binding them to the Prime Law of No Initiatory Force. In this contract it would be stated that anyone who voted against the Prime Law or showed a trend of going against the Prime Law would be immediately and publicly removed from office. In this way no Rockefeller, Carnegie or corporation can manipulate government to get what it wants or get away with what it does. No government could harm us. No greedy politicians could get their pockets stuffed to make laws that allow corporations to dump toxic waste.
March 23, 2010 22:28:32 (GMT Time)



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Comments:I believe in the separation of state and business. I believe in the adoption of universal prime law. The Prime Law is simple. No initiatory force. Respecting people’s individuality is the key to the Prime Law. As long as no initiatory force, fraud, or coercion has been committed, people must be left alone. One law added as an amendment to the U.S. Constitution will allow us to restore the U.S. Constitution to what it originally was and make it so that it will be impenetrable. One law of No Initiatory Force by any person or group as an amendment to the U.S. Constitution would ensure that our Constitution would never again be broken down and torn apart.
March 23, 2010 22:27:20 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Evan I am not for the eradication of government. I believe government should be for defense only. Yes courts are part of government and a legitimate government defense. Yes toxic waste is acknowledged by me I had just mentioned it in my post about uranium. Let’s take a closer look and see what gave these corporations the ability to dump this toxic waste and at the same time take a closer look at why Rockefeller got away with killed people for protesting. You will find in each incident of toxic waste and tycoon killing that the government had a hand in it. Corporations go to state politicians and to get laws passed to allow them to get away with what they do. The U.S government itself is behind the production of uranium. Rockefeller stuffed money into law enforcement, judges and politicians (local and federal) and thus got away with murder. Government walks hand in hand with this nasty stuff.
March 23, 2010 22:26:02 (GMT Time)



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Comments:By the way, Shanawa, I challenge you to come up with a single documented case of people going to jail for not having their children vaccinated in the United States. My children are partially vaccinated on a schedule of my choosing. Every state allows exemptions to the vaccination program, and unvaccinated and partially vaccinated children can still go to school... though much of the school paperwork is misleading, I will grant you that. If we are going to work against state control of medical procedures that we do not like, it is best to do so in a factual way that does not exaggerate the real issues or reduce our credibility. I am opposed to the CDC vaccination schedule and believe that informed content DOES apply to vaccination, which also means that informed REFUSAL must be respected. This is a tough issue for many and hyperbole does not serve us well.
March 23, 2010 21:05:24 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Shanawa, I am not going to dismiss your charges about the Indian Health Service. Clearly, things are not right there. However, it does not change a bunch of facts. Fact: The US spends a higher percentage of GDP on health care than any other country in the world (2004). Fact: The US is ranked 37th globally in overall health of its population and 72nd on the performance of its healthcare system. Fact: The US is ranked 24th globally in healthy life expectancy. Fact: ALL 20 of the top 20 countries on the World Health Organization rankings of national health have some form of socialized medicine. Results speak for themselves. Our "system" is a failure. Reform to a single-payer system is desperately needed. Single-payer does NOT require one to give up freedom, rights, or autonomy. Don't let the "tea-baggers" scare you out of something that would be good for everyone in our country.
March 23, 2010 20:42:28 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Horrible things. I hear you. You say take them to court. Court is government. But several things you mention are corporations, not government. I won't bore you, but I can come up with an equally horrible list just looking at toxic waste dumps/incinerators and nuclear waste on tribal lands. You say they wouldn't get away with it if it weren't for government. Really? Who will stop them? Rockefeller killed men, women, and children for protesting. Go to another company? They are merging and getting bigger and bigger. All sorts of products and services are only available to me from one company. If we don't control Monsanto, they'll control the entire world's food supply, eventually. I AGREE that government can do horrible things, but it can also be used for good. And I will never have a vote or a chance to be on the board of a multinational corporation.
March 23, 2010 19:41:07 (GMT Time)



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Comments:this is what your precious democracy looks like from the perspective of one of the minorities of this country. What is Written above is a clear example of the tyranny of the majority who through this debacle had either taken part, remained ignorant or simply turned their heads. If you think it is in the past think again it is going on right now and not only to Native American Indians but to you.
March 23, 2010 19:27:41 (GMT Time)



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Comments:This is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to bringing light on the subject of government control over people and their lives. You will never get me to except that government is the answer to our woes. As far as mistrust of corporations it is a fact that the corporations that hurt us, including health care and pharmacy companies have their hands in government and that is why they get away with what they get away with Evan. On their own in a free market without government interference to give them special interest laws they could never get away with what they get away with. You would simply take them to court or find a better health care plan. As far as Medicare/Medicaid/veteran's health plans are concerned they too are on a slippery slope since they are run by government which as I have repeated never spends tax payer’s money efficiently. You say only government can balance corporate power!!! It is government that empowers corporate power.
March 23, 2010 18:45:18 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Birth defects have reached alarming proportions to peoples living near mining sites. In one month of 1979, 39% of pregnant women have suffered spontaneous abortions and 60-70% of newborns suffer breathing complications as a result of underdeveloped lungs and /or jaundice on the Pine Ridge Reservation in South Dakota.
March 23, 2010 18:41:22 (GMT Time)



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Comments:127 Million Tons Of Cancer Inducing Uranium Wastes Lie Exposed On Navajo Lands. Indian Lands contain 55% of U.S. uranium reserves. As of 1979, 1,185,000 acres were under lease for mining. The mining community of Edgemont, South Dakota, 80 miles North West of Pine Ridge has over 30 sites of contamination from uranium mill tailings (mill tailings are a fine sandy waste that exists after the uranium has been removed, it is about 85% radioactive). New Mexico has some 250 acres of mill tailing piles some 60 feet high. Grants, New Mexico, considered the uranium capital of the world, has 22 abandoned uranium tailing piles with over 26 million tons of radioactive wastes.
March 23, 2010 18:28:10 (GMT Time)



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Comments:The Abourezk Report found that approximately 3,406 Indian Women had been sterilized in a three year period between 1973 and 1976, in only four states. estimates that between 60,000 and 70,000 Indian Women have been sterilized in the last twelve years. In many cases women were told they were going to die if they had more children, that they had cysts on their ovaries, or that the operation was reversible. in many cases by outright intimidation was used. President Carter has Refused on 3 different occasions to stop the sterilization and to remove Dr. Emery Johnson, the Director of the Indian Health Service. . .The man most responsible for Indian Sterilization.
March 23, 2010 18:26:08 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Paulien, Evan, Joe it takes an individual to make the choice to help others that is true freedom. It is not the other way around. I will just give you a little of what I know as far as your love for government control over people’s lives. 40-50% of All Indian Women have been Sterilized. Evidence of massive sterilization of American Indians has been revealed by the (GAO) General Accounting Office in a study for ex-Senator James Abourezk from South Dakota in 1976. Most of these women were sterilized without their informed consent. The Same GOA Report also revealed that Indian Children are being used as "human guinea pigs," by the Federal Government in 56 different medical experiments (in most cases without parental consent).
March 23, 2010 18:24:19 (GMT Time)



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Comments:You go Evan.
March 23, 2010 17:22:34 (GMT Time)



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Comments:At least now these companies cannot take money from me and my family for years and years and then decide they don't "feel" like paying for my health needs. They have dropped cancer patients for having been a rape victim 20 years before. People arguing your points talk about "death panels" and "rationing" and "waiting in line". We have death panels and rationing. They are called insurance companies; and tens of thousands have died for their profits. As for waiting; are you kidding me? Almost everywhere in America it takes 2 or more months to get an appointment with a specialist. We can't get trauma care because our emergency rooms are filled with the poor. And in some parts of the country, no doctors will take new patients -- especially if they are poor. In this world today, I think you should worry more about corporate power than government power. At least with government we can vote and run for office.
March 23, 2010 16:18:10 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Shanawa, I respect your opinion, but I could not disagree more. I don't like this health plan; it is deeply flawed. But I hope it's a beginning. You say government control? Do you know what's in the health plan? There is no public option. There is no government run plan. I know you don't say it, but I can't believe how many Americans cry and wail about government health while saying in the same breath; don't touch my medicare/medicaid/veteran's health. These ARE government health plans that have been with us for years. And recent surveys show more people are satisfied with the care in these programs than ANY private insurance. You talk about control. My health has been controlled my whole life -- by insurance corporations, concerned with nothing but amassing huge profits. Only government can balance the incredible power of these huge companies. And that balance has been sorely lacking my whole life. (continued)
March 23, 2010 16:13:15 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Thank you Barbara Milazzo and Lori Shields for your generous donations to keep the site up and running.
March 23, 2010 14:52:26 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Paulien, I am so interested in hearing about the places that you grew up. Are you willing to talk about it? Also, I am interested in hearing from you about your impressions on EU integration if you are willing. Thanks for your participation.
March 23, 2010 12:20:04 (GMT Time)



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Comments:I understand more than you can imagine, having grown up for the most part in third world countries with no regulating governments to speak of. What YOU don't understand is that freedom also means being free to make your own choices on doing things together, not just individually, but to work with others on making this a fine planet for all living things to thrive. Perhaps living below sea level for so many centuries has forced my particular culture to work together as way to survive, doing so without becoming a mono-culture politically. You call my way of thinking socialistic, I prefer the term autonomous. I feel free to make my own choices and though others around me don't always agree with how I see things, within the tribe I nevertheless get to make my own satisfying contribution. When you speak of freedom you sound like a victim. That's no way to live. Freedom empowers, try it. Take charge. Today.
March 23, 2010 09:41:36 (GMT Time)



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Comments:There is one thing you simply don't understand and that is the ability to be independent and free. Free to make your own choice. It is the freedom I am talking about. Government dependence is not freedom. I do not want to be controlled by government (big brother)I am not a little boy. European countries have been controlled by governments, kings and Queens for centuries and their people know no better. Now socialism has creeped its ugly head into the U.S. It will not stand, it will be torn out. Government not only controls but it take control from you. Giving government control over you is like living with a rattle snake in your bed, it can not be trusted. As a native American Indian I know this more then you can imagine. I don't need government to force me to share. I am a caring Independent individual person willing to share.
March 23, 2010 07:15:14 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Take care my friend, do you really want such a deep fear of being controlled to keep you from sharing?
March 23, 2010 05:55:11 (GMT Time)



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Comments:"The sooner the truth breaks out of its cage, the faster we can get around to healing this world and making it into the paradise we really want it to be -- without these sardonic forces thinking they can pull the strings and manipulate everyone." Stephen Nalty
March 23, 2010 05:44:45 (GMT Time)



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Comments:The democrat scam will not stand, It will be deemed unconstitutional. don't get me wrong I can't stand the republicans also but government controlled health care stinks. I see mothers and fathers put in jail for not inoculating or refusing to inoculate their children, people put in jail for refusing to pay a monthly health care bill or worse for not being able to afford it and have to explain to a government stooge why they can't afford it. Like going to a shelter one must give up their dignity and independence to be able to sleep indoors, Told when to come and go and shut out if they don't follow the rules. We have laws that keep police from looking at our health records now the Federal government will be in control of them. It is not a good thing that government is in control of health care and I will fight it till it is dead.
March 23, 2010 05:41:05 (GMT Time)



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Comments:So glad for you all! There's something so inherently unfair about a system that leaves the health of a child depending on how much money the parents do or do not have.
March 23, 2010 03:10:02 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Looking around the site....been a long while...a little quieter. Glad its still here. Joe, thank you for putting my feelings into words. Im glad the dems won...kinda like Kucinich having trouble voting for it...but I'm also so disappointed; feels like a big giveaway to the insurance companies. But medicare started off small. And we cant continue the Teddy Roosevelt, Nixon, Clinton pattern of ALMOST getting something then waiting forever for the next shot. Sigh. American politics and compromise...not satisfying at all. For me, personally, getting rid of the pre-existing conditions garbage will save my health.
March 22, 2010 20:48:55 (GMT Time)



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Comments:There was a presidential candidate in the recent Costa Rican election who called himself "the least bad" (choice of 9 candidates). Folks here started to refer to him as "el menos malo". My congratulations/condemnation go out to the Democrats, are our very own version of the least bad, on the historic/histrionic passing/gutting of healthcare reform/sellout. I am positively/negatively over/under whelmed by their victory/defeat. US politics has become psychotic. Barack Obama says, "This is what change looks like." If the Who had to rewrite the lyrics for Don't Get Fooled Again, perhaps it would now end like this - "Meet the new boss - a lesser evil than the old boss." Change you can believe/bereave!
March 22, 2010 19:36:37 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Agreed, Shanawa. The xenophobia that promotes Western civilization as the pinnacle of human achievement blinds us to genius's in many cultures. That said, I love Shakespeare and he is venerated in many cultures other than our own.
March 22, 2010 17:30:30 (GMT Time)



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Comments:There can be no doubt that Shakespeare is brilliant but do you think as westerners that we lose a lot because we don't understand the other languages thus we don't pay to much attention to play rights and poets of Russia, China and other nations and people?
March 20, 2010 20:18:07 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Well, there seems to be no doubt that a play called “Cardenio” was written and performed at the Blackfriars and The Globe theaters. It was listed officially with the Stationers Register. The full text of the play has not survived, though a couple of songs from the play do. It was written in collaboration with John Fletcher, the same guy with whom Shakespeare wrote “Henry VIII” and “The Two Noble Kinsmen.” “Cardenio” was based on a translation of Cervantes’ “Don Quixote.” I love it that “Cardenio” is counted among Shakespeare’s plays because with it (and “The Two Noble Kinsmen”) the total number of plays comes to 39, my favorite number since I was born in 1939. And Cervantes, the source of “Cardenio,” was born (or at least baptized) on October 9, a very special date for me. So yes, I say yes to “Cardenio.”
March 17, 2010 22:40:56 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Gene, what are your thoughts on the "lost" Shakespearean play based on Don Quixote?
March 16, 2010 16:46:57 (GMT Time)



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Comments:The four of us spent a wonderful weekend watching the Arenal volcano erupt and soaking in a hot river that originates from deep within the volcano. The best part was doing it with the Hebner/Frabasillio clan.
March 15, 2010 20:57:50 (GMT Time)



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Comments:The other statement I don't agree with Barbara is your statement that most people are selfish by nature. Selfishness is a two edged sword. There is a good selfishness and a bad one. One must stand on there own two feet before they can help others and it takes a lot of good selfishness to get to that point and there is nothing wrong with that base survival instinct. After all one must survive to help others. Yes, We grow to share and are taught to consider others, we also are taught to hate. My point is that the thought that we need a predictable governmental structure supported by taxation is archaic. We see it every day in politicians and politics in general. The old way of thinking that we need to look outside ourselves and to government to help others is coming to an end. Just how do you think it is a good thing to take a persons home away simply because they did not pay a tax or to put them in jail, it is anti civilized. We will have peace, happiness and prosperity for everyone.
March 13, 2010 07:11:20 (GMT Time)



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Comments:To get to your post Barbara, Yes, "How about no taxation at all in a system where we all as individuals give to the cause we desire." I disagree with you when you say that it is unrealistic. The way it is now any state department of transport is always over any budget they predict. Just take one state, Pennsylvania for example is one of the highest taxed states and its roads are horrible. No government agency has ever spent the tax money they got efficiently. They have a never ending troff of money coming and thus the state has no bottom line to watch thus those in control wast tax payers money. The whole rotten system is already horrible. It is the same in Calif. As far as a return of Mafia influence and extortion you need to understand that what I was saying was that there must first be a respect for the right of the individual free of initiatory force established in the Constitution then no Mafia can do such things. Law enforcement is Government defence.
March 13, 2010 06:52:52 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Julia, my card has been automatically billed for this for the last two or mroe years. ash@igc.org Let's confer.
March 10, 2010 11:31:12 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Julia, Joe just said he was getting billed for this, "my credit card is automatically charged $41.95 twice per year for hosting and $19.95 once per year for domain registration." Is there double billing going on here?
March 10, 2010 06:35:35 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Hello friends... the bill to host this site has come due again. I need two things: 1) Someone needs to pay for 2010 hosting. I have gotten some donations in the past and have paid for it myself a few years. My family CANNOT afford to make this gift this year; my husband has been out of work for a year and things are quite difficult for us. 2) Someone fairly responsible :-) needs to take over as the billing contact for the hosting company. It is not a big thing, but it is necessary to keep this site and domain name alive. Thanks and I hope that everyone is doing really well.
March 10, 2010 01:03:11 (GMT Time)



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Comments:I'm reminded of a story Bob Trausch once told. He was on his way to the test site for an action and he was trying to fill his van with local Chico-ans. A couple told him that they couldn't make it but that they'd "go with him in spirit". Bob told him if their bodies wanted to come he had room in the van but he wasn't "taking any spirits".
March 9, 2010 15:16:37 (GMT Time)



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Comments:I love anonymous donations!
March 8, 2010 19:05:28 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Joe, Sending you some love in the form of cash.
March 7, 2010 16:32:19 (GMT Time)



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Comments: No I just wanted to put my two cents in. What the hell does that phrase mean anyway? Besides sounds like Laura is going to cover it thanks Laura.
March 6, 2010 21:05:20 (GMT Time)



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Comments:So does that mean you are going to contribute, Rich?
March 4, 2010 12:58:54 (GMT Time)



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Comments:And I used a calculator and still got it wrong. according to my recalculation it is 28 cents a day.
March 4, 2010 03:21:48 (GMT Time)



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Comments:That's .29 of one cent every day. Just thought I'd put my two cents worth in.
March 4, 2010 03:17:31 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Laura, my credit card is automatically charged $41.95 twice per year for hosting and $19.95 once per year for domain registration. My address is Joe Kinczel POB 1754 Nederland CO 80466-1754. Thank you.
March 3, 2010 20:09:50 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Today we have city elections. I have decided to vote for the Party for the Animals. We have a site on internet where you can enter how you feel about certain issues and at the end of a very long list, your take on these issues is put into a graph and you can clearly see which of the 16 political parties that participate in this election gets the closest to where you stand. For the third time in a row this Party for the Animals turns out to be that one. The party I actually voted for in the last two elections comes in a close second. Those last two elections I laughed at the idea of voting for a political party that holds animal welfare central, but they are not a single-issue party and in the end it looks like the way this party sees us all living together in this city, in this country, on this planet, is almost identical to how I think we should do that. So I will vote for them this time, let them speak for me when collective decisions are made.
March 3, 2010 10:25:48 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Joe, How much does it cost and where should I send it?
March 3, 2010 07:06:39 (GMT Time)



Name:Joe
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Comments:As an example of exactly what is being written about here let me refer to this guest book. Last year I paid the yearly hosting fee for the site and requested several times here that others contribute what they can towards the fee. I received a total of two responses on the guest book, but no money - not one dollar - from anyone. If we paid our taxes like that, nothing would be paid and nothing would get done. I do not mind paying federal taxes or state and local taxes either, but I just want to get something positive and helpful for me and my family from the federal government other than censored reports of dead bodies on the other side of the world and more corporate welfare to prop up the various industries sucking tax dollars out of the government with the connivance of our elected representatives.
February 28, 2010 22:39:19 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Shanawa, you said, "How about no taxation at all in a system where we all as individuals give to the cause we desire." This is unrealistic. One example- If the Dept. of Transportation in any state had to rely on charity and could not predict their budget then they would have a horrible time planning for road improvements. I could see a return of Mafia influence and exhtortion. They would be sure to divert funds from law enforcement so that they could rule. Only their companies would get contracts. I'm sure the Mafia would "give" to the courts too, so they would own the judges. There would be nobody to defend citizens from the bullies. Your idea requires thoughtful conciencious people everywhere. Humans are selfish by nature. It is our base survival instinct. We grow to share and are taught to consider others(or not). Without a predictable governmental structure supported by taxation we would have chaos and bullies contolling everthing.
February 28, 2010 20:28:54 (GMT Time)



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Comments:The mice have voted to bell the cat. With 300+ million citizens, representative democracy is a necessity...with technology, instant access to and accountability of our representatives is possible. Imagine every bill before congress being available for review by the public, with instant district by district feedback, and a forum where congessmen will have to justify voting against our wishes instantly rather than counting on us forgetting by the next election. An informed population is the foundation of democracy...not just whoever can get in the catchiest soundbite at the last minute. When your representative makes what you think is a bad vote, how do you find out how the district wanted him to vote? Internet? Newspaper? Daily Show?.
February 28, 2010 19:27:56 (GMT Time)



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Comments:No, it is neither anarchism nor democarcy.
February 28, 2010 18:10:31 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Yeah, that's anarchism. And democracy.
February 27, 2010 17:31:04 (GMT Time)



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Comments:No James, I never said I was an Anarchist. Although there may be more then one interpretation of anarchism. I simply said that we no longer need representatives as in the old ways of thinking we need to be ruled. We have the Tec. to represent ourselves. Sorry to say but Pauline's country and system is stuffed with socialism, I am no socialist, never will be so I do not agree that it is a good way to be governed. What I am talking about is beyond democracy. Where the minority nor the majority rule over us and make rules we don't need to live under. It is a system where the individual is respected and protected from initiatory force.
February 27, 2010 02:28:30 (GMT Time)



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Comments:...or a truer representative system like in a parliamentary system as Pauline points out.
February 26, 2010 23:51:53 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Oh. So you're an anarchist, Shanawa? Anarchy simply means without leader. And people representing themselves IS democracy, just not representative democracy like we have in the U.S..
February 26, 2010 23:50:31 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Obama is a lost cause, How about no taxation at all in a system where we all as individuals give to the cause we desire. Representative government is obsolete and should be made a thing of the past. We now have the technology to represent ourselves. And democracy is as old as ancient Greece. It is a system where the majority are in control thus those that are not actively represented are in the minority. This all leads to the tyranny of the Majority.
February 26, 2010 21:53:03 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Well, it's not exactly representation as long as you have a winner takes all election result. True representation would be in % of the votes.
February 26, 2010 17:48:03 (GMT Time)



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Comments:We certainly are Joe, though it would be hard to prove in court. And besides, corporations are people just like you and me, remember? They're being taxed and represented.
February 26, 2010 16:42:50 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Are we talking taxation without representation, here?
February 26, 2010 12:27:04 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Well, our tax dollars don't get people elected. And that's the problem. ONLY our tax dollars should get people elected.
February 25, 2010 17:48:14 (GMT Time)



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Comments:I just want the best government that money can buy, James - our tax money. Call me hopelessly naive.
February 25, 2010 12:25:36 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Are those rhetorical questions, Joe? The nuclear and coal industries have paid good money to get Obama elected to every office he's served in. Now they'll get their money's worth. Obama said during the election that nuclear power was "on the table".
February 24, 2010 21:30:02 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Why did Obama pledge billions to finance the first nuclear power plant in decades? Bush/Cheney did not even do that. What is he thinking?
February 24, 2010 12:13:50 (GMT Time)



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Comments:"We must survive this nuclear threshold." Amen to that, Shanawa!
February 23, 2010 06:36:40 (GMT Time)



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Comments:I wanted to relate on the first of the last three post: All the resources all the nations, Cities, Towns tribes, clans and individuals have ever used throughout our time as a species have been taken from here on Earth Mother.
February 22, 2010 08:03:09 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Like in the king of Sparta urging Agamemnon, king of all of Grease, to go war over a wife that left him. Thus giving Agamemnon the pretext to attack Troy something he wanted to do all along to have control of the Aegean sea. Who knows how we can deal with Jalousie. None of this is based in mysticism, none of it is based on speculation it is based on what is in front of us that we can see touch smell and hear. We are the creators of what we have done and we are the creators of what we will do.
February 22, 2010 07:55:28 (GMT Time)



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Comments:When we take it for granted that we can travel three or four galaxies In three days, Earth time, like we take for granted that we can drive from California to the East coast in three days that is when we will realise that we no longer need war. Or we could say that those in power don't need war. The abundance in our solar system alone would insure no one will be without. With everyone living a life of abundance there no longer is a need to point out someone that has to much, it will no longer be relevant to do so. The 99% of the reason we go to war will no longer be relevant. We would only have to worry about that one percent and that would be jalousie.
February 22, 2010 07:53:58 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Tell it, Tell it Laura. It is so true that we must survive this Nuclear threshold. With Hollywood it is more driven by profit and what sells. Gene's post ascribed to that by indicating that people are making money on fear and using it to gain their profit. Maybe there should be a book written to tell what the positive affects that are coming our way and how they line up with this 2012 prophecy. I suppose that this is itself profiting from the 2012 prophecy but I do know we make money by selling or creating weather we do it from the positive or negative it is what we do. I don't only believe, I know form the reality that is in front of me that we are children of the universe not just the Earth. The acceptance of this knowledge is in itself a lifting of the curtain, a Revelation. 99% of war was fought over raw materials in one form or the other. All the resources all the nations, Cities, Towns tribes, clans and individuals have ever used throughout our time as a species have been taken f
February 22, 2010 07:51:08 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Hoo-ha has always been big business, which is why they keep throwing it in our faces and distracting us from what's really important: global nuclear disarmament.
February 22, 2010 07:15:37 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Interesting fun this morning with 2012 business. It is a business. Look at incredible website (http://www.2012contact.com/): “In 2012, Our Planet Will Become A WAR ZONE – Will You Survive, Or Are You and Your Family Already Doomed?” This guy is selling a book, “2012 Contact: Are You Ready for It?” for $47.00. The site has a countdown clock for hours and minutes: 1033 days and so forth... "I’m Offering You One SINGLE Chance to Ensure Your Survival, and The Survival of Your Loved Ones.” Another website (http://2012apocalypse.net/) says “The 2012 Apocalypse is predicted by an intersection of Religions, Science, and Prophesies. Many Great Prophets, Religious Scriptures, and Scientific evidence point to a possible apocalyptic event happening in the year 2012.” It has fantastic photos. But my main man, James Randi, has an online “Encyclopedia of Claims, Frauds, and Hoaxes of the Occult and Supernatural.” There you can read about “Forty-Four End-of-the-World Prophecies - That Failed.” Above
February 21, 2010 18:41:54 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Confirming the meaning of the word "apocalypse," It's synonymous with "revelation," as in when the magicians of old would say, "All shall be revealed." Supposedly the curtain will be drawn back, as Shanawa puts it, on or beginning on 12/21/12. If our solar system really is "pushing through" the astral plane of the Milky Way, it will be like a birth or emergence (but not an emergency). Personally, I do not ascribe to the hoo-ha about apocalyptic destruction (unless humans stupidly set themselves ablaze, which is, with 17.000 nukes still on the planet, an unfortunate possibility), and the Hollywood 2012 version is, I believe, created to distract people from learning the astronomical facts (though the special effects were awesome). If you believe the disaster scenario, better find yourself some high ground and pack a whole lotta pemmikan for the duration. If you believe the scientific version, gather some friends, light a fire in the fireplace, and celebrate a New Age. Peace out.
February 21, 2010 07:21:56 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Yes Ted land loards have there own time too.
February 21, 2010 01:43:12 (GMT Time)



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Comments:This is all well and good, but my landlord will still want his rent by the 5th...and the 5th after that.
February 20, 2010 23:55:56 (GMT Time)



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Comments:It is we that were set here as the creators of what we make. We create pollution and we find ways to create that which limit that pollution or do away with it altogether. If we create things that harm the environment that keeps us alive we take steps to stop the harm. This is all part of our evolution our existence.
February 20, 2010 20:36:33 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Great post Laura, the reason I say that is because it deals in reality and facts, time dose exist outside what we have mimicked and created. Since the Universe is continual and always expanding it goes to reason that time never ends except in the realization that our (people of the Earth) persecution of time is not the only way time exists. Being that time is associated with conscious, as in a baby don't become aware of its life till much later in life the same goes with us as people on the Earth. The Apocalypse itself is the opening of the curtain, the realization that we are children of the universe, that the Universe like time are never ending and always expanding thus our ability to improve our conscious is never ending and always expanding. That is why when we see what we can't stand about ourselves we take steps to change it individually, and as a civilization.
February 20, 2010 20:35:56 (GMT Time)



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Comments:The whole 2012 phenomenon is a point of personal fascination, so I have been gathering info, (though I have yet to stash 40 days worth of food and water). From what I can figure, Dec 21, 2012 marks not the end of the earth but the end of time as we have conceptualized it. Supposedly, time DOES exist outside the human realm, and it goes through huge cycles of expansion and compression, kind of like the universe is breathing. We are, according to this, um, legend, coming to the end of a cycle. Time will cease to compress and start to expand. Should be a nice feeling! By the way, there is also an actual astronomical phenomenon that will occur on that day: the "equator" of our solar system will cross the "equator" of the Milky Way. Seems like someone should invent a new dance, no? Peace and Love, yall...
February 20, 2010 13:55:49 (GMT Time)



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Comments:In Costa Rica in 1948 the head of the military that was being abolished handed over the keys to his headquarters to the ministry of education. How is that for peace? My best guess is that the US will spend 1.75 trillion dollars on the military in 2010. How is that for war? It is a matter of dollars and sense - common sense.
February 19, 2010 18:26:37 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Interesting topic....I remember a long time back we discussed War and Peace...I remarked that War is easy to define (killing, etc.) but that Peace is harder, and that the absence of War wasn't sufficient as a definition. Similiar situation....Evil triumphs, misery and death are pretty universal...Good prevails...are the effects universal?. We all have our conditions for peace, personally it includes Celine Dion never recording again...probably conflicts with her peace though, see?.And as for Good winning, I'll settle for Better over Worse. And it was Dark Helmet who said "Evil will win, because Good is dumb"
February 19, 2010 16:09:54 (GMT Time)



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Comments:That is interesting Shanawa, thank you. I did not know about these other meanings of the word apocalypse. I was using it to refer to global-sized, end-of-the-world disasters which is the only definition I ever had for the word. I certainly would love to see some movies that explore the ultimate triumph of good over evil.
February 18, 2010 21:12:59 (GMT Time)



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Comments:My daughter is asking the same questions Joe. I continue to tell her that the world we know is always going through change. The constant change in life and the Universe forces us to adapt and improvise in our daily lives. There is only one thing that you pointed to in your post that bugs me, it's the way you use the term Apocalyptic. It must be from the movie Apocalypse Now that had brought on this negative stigmatism association with the word Apocalypse. It's true meaning is more to the effect of, removing the curtain, the revealing. In looking at the dictionary it has many definitions but the ones that stand out to me are: any revelation or prophecy a prophetic revelation, concerning a cataclysm in which the forces of good permanently triumph over the forces of evil, any of a class of Jewish or Christian writings that appeared from about 200 b.c. to a.d. 350 and were assumed to make revelations of the ultimate divine purpose. I an not religious but these are positive definitions.
February 17, 2010 22:40:30 (GMT Time)



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Comments:How are you Barbara? Are your kids and your family doing well?
February 17, 2010 22:16:51 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Gosh Joe, ya gotta wonder what Hollywood is doing to the psyche of our youth. I hope the desolate future story lines don't breed more, "take it while you can get it" behavior. Our planet can't sustain that. I'm glad Alexander recognizes that he has seen enough. Hope is essential. We need him to carry the flame into the future.
February 17, 2010 22:11:30 (GMT Time)



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Comments:My son Alexander and I love to go to the movies and while we were home in Colorado we went to see a bunch of movies in Boulder. Many of them dealt with the future and almost all of them were relentlessly negative or even apocalyptic about the fate of the human species and the fate of this planet. The Road, 2012, Avatar, The Book of Eli and others all paint a desolate picture of the future that our children will inherit - clearly it is the zeitgeist in the USA. Alexander said to me, "Dad I don't want to see anymore movies like this for a while. Do you think that the world is going to end soon? Do you think that my future is going to be like that in these movies?" No, I do not Alexander. I think that we will forever continue to struggle for peace and justice in a world filled with greed, hatred and ignorance. This struggle is within ourselves as well as outside of ourselves in the world. In fact, there is no difference between the inner and outer struggle or inner and outer.
February 17, 2010 14:28:51 (GMT Time)



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Comments:But WHY speculate or waist time and energy on figuring out WHY the calendar ends on 2012? If there are no years after 2012 then there will be no years after 2012. If the world ends in 2012 it will happen on the day it ends. Is there a day after the last day??? Are there weeks and months after the last day??? what kind of dribble are those last two question? Time as we know it is related to the Earth and nothing else in the universe except our own solar systems sun. Days, weeks, months, years and time are directly related to the spinning of the earth and its position as it revolves around the sun. The Mayan calender will still be the Mayan calender worthless or not. Go to a web sight on this??? My question is why wast my time on this mysticism. I do believe in a big, beautiful, terrific picture of the future though.
February 17, 2010 09:34:39 (GMT Time)



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Comments:But WHY does the calendar end in 2012? Are there no years after that? On what DAY does it end in 2012? Is there a day after the last day? Are there weeks and months after the last day? The Mayan Calendar, it seems, will be worthless very soon. Actually, there is a great website discussing all this, and it has a big, beautiful, terrific picture of "2012" the movie. See link above.
February 17, 2010 05:04:24 (GMT Time)



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Comments:You know me when it comes to politics, I care for neither Obama's garbage nor do I care for Sarah Palin's same old repelican trash. You can thank Obama for bringing in Palin just as Bush brought in Obama. The good old Ping Pong political game at it's best. But you should be estatic at the fact that a woman will be president now that we got a black man as president mystery out of the way and illuminated.
February 16, 2010 20:38:39 (GMT Time)



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Comments:The Mayans never said the world ends in 2012, It is simply the end of the Mayan calender. It is the White society that has fabricated all the bullshit associated with the Mayan calender, a-non-mouse
February 16, 2010 20:18:49 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Don't worry bout it. Mayans say the world ends in 2012 anyway.
February 16, 2010 14:33:06 (GMT Time)



Name:Tall Bicycle Frank
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Comments:Republican Ticket: Palin/Armageddon 2012.
February 14, 2010 18:21:35 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Hello old friends hello. I am up to about an eye and four-fifths. I have been back at work after two weeks off. So much going on! We would be ready for a magnetic Focus that hugs the ground--those magnets only repel at a short distance, at least the ones I have held. Maybe it can harvest grain and bake bread as it skims along. Gene, I will be reading your learned disquisitions as time permits. Crystal is working hard and needing help to pass at the very tough Environmental Charter High School. Happy Valentine Day and may everyone find the love they wish for--without undue smugness from those of us who have.
February 14, 2010 18:18:32 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Well... such a cheery anonymouse. Call it blind naivete but I simply cannot imagine an America that would vote in Sarah Palin as president. I've been wrong before but I will hold on to that belief until the day she is elected President, at which point I will have to go "media-free" until I hear the all-clear siren to prevent my head from exploding 30 times a day...
February 12, 2010 22:01:47 (GMT Time)



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Comments:In 1976, Reagan received one vote in the electoral college. The vote was a protest of the electoral college. He chose Reagan because he thought that such an unlikely candidate would get attention. We're in the exact same place right now. Carter came in after Nixon/Ford; the Republicans fought him at every turn so they could say "see, Democrats can't do anything" setting us up for 12 years of repubs. Get ready for 12 years of repubs starting in 2012.
February 12, 2010 20:27:19 (GMT Time)



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Comments:That is exactly the situation at a place in California. Keough Hot Spring (link above) is a resort outside of Bishop. Not luxurious as is Tabacün: you can stay in a cabin for $75 a night, in your own tent for $20.00 per night. Or you can pay $8 for a day pass. Not bad for soaking and swimming in full view of the magnificent Sierra Nevada Mountains! Still, most people prefer to use the run-off from the resort, what is called the Keough Hot Ditch which is FREE. Yes, Joe, I love hot springs so much – and I would hate a President Palin so much – that Tabacün would be a real possibility. But Palin or no Palin, you’ve given me a new dream and desire in life: I want to see lovely Tabacün, and even stay there one night for $260.
February 12, 2010 17:17:08 (GMT Time)



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Comments:The beautiful thing is Gene, that 100 yards down and across the road from the resort is an open spot where all the locals lounge in the same water for free! You can't stop the river! Green Valley/Tabacon here we come! As for Palin, anything is possible, right? I mean we had Reagan and then W for two terms each. I remember thinking that nobody would vote for a a bad actor with bad ideas like Reagan, but I underestimated the stupidity and self-destructiveness of my fellow Americans. I am still shocked about W's non-election as well. Anyway, Tabacon is amazing.
February 12, 2010 12:46:01 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Wow! I imagined Tabacόn as a wild place in the mountains, an undeveloped hot spring one would have to hike and climb for miles to reach. I did a Google search, never expecting to find anything. But oh, man - what a website (above) it took me to! Tabacón Grand Spa Thermal Resort is a five-star chalet, one of “The Leading Hotels of the World.” I read that “The mineral-rich waterfalls and pools are kept warm naturally — anywhere from 80 to 104 degrees — courtesy of the active Arenal Volcano.” It has “twelve natural thermal spring pools and lagoons, waterfalls, exotic gardens and trails.” Take the virtual tour to see how fabulous this place is. Okay, after we find ourselves faced with a President Palin, why don’t all we Peace Marchers go down and live in Tabacόn Hot Springs in Costa Rica? It will remind us of the great time we had in Green Valley Spa, Utah. But that was free and Tabacόn is $260 a night
February 12, 2010 06:50:38 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Gene, I think that you would be very happy at Tabacon Hot Springs here in Costa Rica. It is truly amazing - the best that I have ever experienced. On the whole, the political experience in the US for my entire life has fluctuated between tragedy/catastrophe and comedy/farce. It really is time for another American revolution and I do not mean the revolution proposed by the Tea Party Nazis.
February 11, 2010 20:31:39 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Still caught up in thinking another race or gender will make a better politician or president? I tell you there is no difference whether it be male, female, black, yellow, brown, red or white. A politician is a politician. They live like the rich and do nothing for the money they get but make us feel they are needed in there big back and forth game of politics. And Democracy is a mockery, it is nothing but the tyranny of the majority. It was a stepping stone in the way we govern ourselves but by no means the ideal. We must evolve out of the thinking, democracy, is the best form of government.
February 11, 2010 02:03:14 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Yes, Joe! And it looks like we may soon have the results of an election that is both a comedy AND a tragedy – Sarah Palin. Then we’ll all follow you to Costa Rica.
February 10, 2010 15:05:38 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Costa Rica now has its first female president. Laura Chinchilla won the presidency on Sunday with about 70%-75% of the electorate voting. She split the popular and direct vote with 8 other candidates. Her party did not win a majority of the assembly seats and she will have to work with one or more other parties to pass legislation through the assembly. It was an interesting experience to witness another country's presidential election. I had seen a presidential election in the USSR. I have lived through a bunch of them in the US. I would have to say that Costa Rica's election was more democratic than those of either the US or USSR. The USSR's election that I saw was a comedy. Several in the US have been tragedies. That was for you Gene.
February 9, 2010 19:08:35 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Well Ted, ik ben een volslagen idioot when it comes to computers!
February 7, 2010 09:28:49 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Noone, just was wondering what the Dutch was for utter...
February 5, 2010 20:13:42 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Close enough Ted! Who's been giving you Dutch lessens?
February 4, 2010 18:00:29 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Paaulien, would that be an Ontlokken Idiot.
February 4, 2010 05:17:44 (GMT Time)



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Comments:This Sunday Costa Rica will have an election for president, two vice-presidents and the legislative assembly which is one house of 57 seats. Oscar Arias has served two terms separated by some years and must leave office. There are four major candidates and five minor candidates for president. They range from Christian Communists (How do we wrap our heads around that Gene?) on the left to Social Democrats on the right. The furthest right would be considered a progressive Democrat on most but not all issues in the US. The front-runner is a woman, who is Arias' hand-picked successor. Her name is Laura Chinchilla. She is one of the two most right-wing candidates, but again most of the time she would fit right in with progressives in the Democratic Party in the USA. Costa Rica is very Roman Catholic and the church influences politics greatly, though it holds a progressive viewpoint on most social justice issues. However, abortion is illegal here thanks in large part to the Catholic church.
February 3, 2010 20:25:14 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Yes Joe, I too am pleased to see folks back on the page! Enjoyed your annual family letter very much, dear friend. Glad to hear you all are doing well adjusting to such a big change. I was wondering about Facebook, but for privacy reasons... besides that, also wondering how much time it would swallow up. Tried to send a very interesting map, but for some reason my new computer won't turn the damned thing into something you click on and it opens. Supposedly a computer for the complete idiot, I should have asked for one for the complete and UTTER idiot! Well, I am wondering what your comments are now. Much, much love you old peacemarchers!
February 3, 2010 08:39:14 (GMT Time)



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Comments:amazing map: http://cohort11.americanobserver.net/latoyaegwuekwe/multimediafinal.html
February 3, 2010 08:14:14 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Gene, I heard on the radio that individuals can actually donate their skull, post mortem, to Shakspearian theatre groups. I immediately thought of you continuing on after death, center stage, in Hamlet.
February 3, 2010 05:22:55 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Trusting politicians, what a trap. You all had such faith in Obama because he was black and represented change. He is just another politician playing ping pong with our hearts and minds. Any bets on him getting reelected? Just one year and he has done nothing but screw things up more.
February 3, 2010 02:48:08 (GMT Time)



Name:James
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Yes, Prince Hal has left behind his youthful liberalism to take on the conservative mantle of power.
February 3, 2010 00:29:29 (GMT Time)



Name:Gene
Email:
HomePage:http://www.authorsden.com/visit/viewarticle.asp?AuthorID=11997
Comments:Ah yes, Joe! You tell it just the way it is. I will be doing the same in an address to the Unitarians here in Rossmoor. “Love or War: Shakespeare and Obama on Saint Valentine’s Day” is the name of my talk. You can read it at the link above.
February 2, 2010 16:36:02 (GMT Time)



Name:Joe
Email:Sunny and Warm in Heredia
HomePage:http://thekinczelscostaricanadventure.blogspot.com/
Comments:Glad to see folks back here. This forum suits me better than Facebook, though I am trying to use Facebook more. Obama's main accomplishment which was a huge historical achievement was to get elected president. Of course he has an impossible job and unfortunately he is doing terribly at this impossible job. He has erred towards the right on every major issue. He has poured our money into the top of the economy through the criminal banks. He has opted for a health care plan that primarily benefits large medical corporations of all types. He has seriously ramped up the world war of terror on Islam. His Nobel speech was an abomination. His state of the union speech was another attempt to reach rightwards out to Republicans who have no coherent or consistent ideas and have turned away every overture and voted as a unified block against every major Obama initiative. It seems that the real opposition to Obama's policies are Democratic progressives whose ideas have been ignored. Viva Kucinich!
February 1, 2010 14:39:39 (GMT Time)



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HomePage:http://
Comments:They made Obama a janitor, cleaning up the horrible mess from the eight year frat party called Bush/Cheney. Spilled drinks everywhere, drunk guests on the floor--vomit, pee. Of course, the Republicans tell us he made the mess when he wasn't allowed at the party. They also say he is doing a lousy job cleaning.
January 30, 2010 19:06:10 (GMT Time)



Name:Ted T.
Email:
HomePage:http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2010/01/29/notes012910.DTL
Comments:America gives black man worst job....ever.
January 30, 2010 07:49:47 (GMT Time)



Name:Barbara
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:James and Ted, that is just so funny!
January 30, 2010 07:25:44 (GMT Time)



Name:Ted T.
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:HUMMER flying car...with electro grill bumper....with bacon chute glove compartment...and teflon console serving tray..I am so there.
January 30, 2010 07:12:04 (GMT Time)



Name:James
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:No Ted, we'll all have force fields by then to protect us... our main concern will be to not hit all those pigs. With wings. Flying.
January 30, 2010 00:48:00 (GMT Time)



Name:Ted T.
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Have to say, given how badly people drive in a 2-D environment, imagining a 3-D scenario (flying cars) is just scary.
January 29, 2010 19:11:24 (GMT Time)



Name:James
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Nah, I sign my shit. I tend to agree with the anonymouse though, anyone f--k with my desert hide outs and they'll get my monkey wrench right up their bulldozer.
January 29, 2010 18:15:26 (GMT Time)



Name:Shanawa
Email:
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Comments:Aah good to stir up conversation again, its been a while since we had any here, to bad I don't know who I'm talking to. I like the desert the way it is too, as far as no more roads that itself would free an enormous amount of land for growing food. As far as anti gravity and the study of science I don't know if I agree with you on that one, many things that became real came to us through science fiction, the wonder and thinking of the mind. I read some where and for the life of me I can't remember or find the article but one of the ways that science has found to create anti gravity cars is using the earths magnetic force and reversing the polarity of the floating cars, kind of like when you see two magnets repel each other. Well anonymous keep talking but it would be nice to know who you are, don't be afraid, come out of the closet and be free to speak, or write ,you mind. Is that you James, my old peace march pal and word sparing friend?
January 29, 2010 17:39:30 (GMT Time)



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Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Anti-Gravity? Flying Cars? Bring It!!!!!
January 29, 2010 08:40:40 (GMT Time)



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HomePage:http://
Comments:"proposes turning the deserts green by using etheric weather engineering technology" This sounds horrible. Desert ecology is so very valuable. What a crazy idea to further alter the natural ecology of the desert to serve human demands. That is not a solution. It is destruction.
January 29, 2010 05:10:23 (GMT Time)



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Comments:OMG!!!!! Seriously? Anti-gravity? Study a little science, not science fiction and you'll understand how ridiculous that is.
January 29, 2010 00:32:23 (GMT Time)



Name:Shanawa
Email:
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Comments:This group also wants to pay the world’s deep sea fishing fleets to stop all fishing for two or three years in order to allow the oceans to replenish themselves. A different group based in Australia but with powerful connections throughout the G7 proposes turning the deserts green by using etheric weather engineering technology. They also plan to start cleaning up the world’s most polluted sites using zeolite, an abundant mineral that absorbs toxic substances and prevents them from interacting with the environment in a harmful manner. They also have free energy technology. A third group based on the US military-intelligence establishment proposes a 5-year swords to plowshares transformation of the Pentagon. This group has the potential to develop the over 6,000 patents that have hitherto been suppressed for “national security” reasons. One technology they possess is anti-gravity. This would make automobiles obsolete and allow roadways to be transformed into gardens.
January 28, 2010 19:53:24 (GMT Time)



Name:Shanawa
Email:
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Comments:There are now several groups with active plans for implementing a new paradigm to replace the one of endless war and genocide being pursued by the criminals who have taken over Western civilization. One group centered on the British empire would like to begin construction of massive free energy facilities to remove salt from sea-water and use the resulting fresh water to turn the deserts green. This group is allying itself with the Middle Eastern monarchies and plans to work simultaneously in Australia and the Arabian peninsula.
January 28, 2010 19:51:37 (GMT Time)



Name:Ted T.
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Still here...for a while. Have been resisting the social network thing after all the rising and falling (friendster, myspace, etc.) and coming and going...how long will facebook last? and privacy issues concern me, and how much time did I waste getting rid of friend request from people just looking for high numbers?. Also there's a bit of "this is our thing" mentality involved...but I got the same way on the March after Chicago.
January 27, 2010 21:51:45 (GMT Time)



Name:Naneki
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:We're still HERE...kind of sort of...oh dear Facebook has taken our souls...
January 25, 2010 16:20:23 (GMT Time)



Name:Rasta Erich
Email:hungryisthetiger{at}yahoo.com
HomePage:http://www.meetup.com/atlantaportuguese
Comments:ACtually my name is Erich Coleman, but who would remmeber that. I have nothing of the march but memories. I walked from Youngstown OH to the end. Fantastic journey! I don´t expect to get in touch with anyone after all these years, But I do remember Anna from time to time. Happy Birthday Anna...lol. Erich
January 20, 2010 11:52:06 (GMT Time)



Name:James
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Johnny the Pluntz! Wow, never knew I had anything to do with your decision. Glad you went for the ride anyway.
January 19, 2010 20:24:49 (GMT Time)



Name:John Pluntze
Email:writestuffidaho{at}gmail.com
HomePage:http://www.sunvalleyonline.com
Comments:Hi everyone!! John Pluntze (I co-managed our wonderful white bookmobile and did PR, too, on 1986's GPM) here in verrry snowy Ketchum-Sun Valley Idaho. Feeling kinda stupid & arrogant that I let THIS MUCH time pass before making any real concerted effort to re-establish ties with others on that genuinely amazing 10-month long GPM in 1986, but hey, better late than never, right? VERY anxious to reconnect with James Knight & Kim Voigt (who probably had AS MUCH to do with me ultimately joining and staying with the GPM as anyone!!), and also Sadna & Cynthia (STILL in Santa Barbara?) Sue Lipsky (on her boat?), Jim & Verna (also of the Bookmobile) & anyone else out there who remembers ME even if I cannot recall the names. Very happy here! Not married and no kids. Embarked on a 14-month long trip around the world in the 1995-96 (after working/living in the British Virgin Isles for a year) and then returned again to Ketchum 1996. -John Pluntze POB 5134 Ketchum, ID 83340-5134 (208) 7
January 19, 2010 14:37:00 (GMT Time)



Name:
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Well the site is back up -- did anyone notice it down? R.I.P. Peace March Page. I HATE *&*#@$%# Facebook.
January 19, 2010 00:42:46 (GMT Time)



Name:Barbara
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Don, It is at http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/group.php?gid=19248698462&ref=ts You can friend me too. Barbara Milazzo (was Cone) FRANK, my dear, take care of yourself. Matthew says that if you want to get on Facebook, ask Crystal, she'll know.
January 13, 2010 15:02:20 (GMT Time)



Name:Tall Bicycle Frank
Email:lalatobuffandback{at}lax.zap
HomePage:http://
Comments:We Sahlems do not know from Facebook, but I guess it is ready for us. We had a wonderful family Christmas in Williamsville NY--ten at the table, for the first time in many years. Cyrstal got her first dayslong snow experience. Even the flying went very well, thanks to Southwest and clear weather. Then last Thursday I needed an prompt operation to fix my right retina. I will need a week plus at home to recover; I am up to about an eye and a quarter at this point. It has all been painless enough, thanks to Kaiser. Kaiser and Southwest are much alike. Everyone is very competent, in part because they are very busy. But everyone is very relaxed and friendly and egalitarian. We feel very comfortable with them.
January 13, 2010 03:03:21 (GMT Time)



Name:Don Preister
Email:donaldpg{at}msn.com
HomePage:http://
Comments:I just got on Facebook. Now how do I find the March page?
January 11, 2010 22:36:02 (GMT Time)



Name:Don Preister
Email:donaldpg{at}msn.com
HomePage:http://
Comments:I just got on Facebook. Now how do I find the March page?
January 11, 2010 22:33:26 (GMT Time)



Name:Barbara
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:I think many of us, and more, are communicating in Facebook now. This site has gone so quiet. If you haven't created a facebook page yet... you really should.
January 11, 2010 06:58:42 (GMT Time)



Name:frank
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments: Happy 2010 to all the Peace marchers.
January 1, 2010 06:21:44 (GMT Time)



Name:Naneki
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Happy Birthday Joe!!!!
January 1, 2010 01:44:40 (GMT Time)



Name:Ted T.
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:CRAP!!!...Joe, was filing year end stuff and found the letter($) I was supposed to send you in Sept. under a bunch of "bills, paid" stuff. Sorry, will drop it in the mail tonite.
December 31, 2009 00:14:15 (GMT Time)



Name:Ted T.
Email:
HomePage:http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9fitr_mountain-top-removal-what-do-you-st_travel?from=rss
Comments:The above sends you to a mountain top removal piece with poetry by Sarah Seeds.
December 26, 2009 00:29:36 (GMT Time)



Name:Naneki
Email:peace{at}last
HomePage:http://
Comments:Fellow Marchers, please send big love to our dearest Jack Mento, surfer Jack, Kaimana as he just lost his Mother... Jack was with her when she died. Blessings to all and peace in this Holiday Season.
December 14, 2009 16:43:30 (GMT Time)



Name:Paulien
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Hey James, this truthdig site is great! I've been enjoying their Financial Meltdown 101 this weekend. Thanks!
December 6, 2009 10:17:02 (GMT Time)



Name:James
Email:
HomePage:http://www.truthdig.com/cartoon/item/peace_removement_20091129/
Comments:See above cartoon.
December 2, 2009 16:22:03 (GMT Time)



Name:Paulien
Email:
HomePage:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-moore/an-open-letter-to-preside_b_373457.html
Comments:Yes James, this is very very very disappointing!
December 2, 2009 05:28:08 (GMT Time)



Name:James
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:How many more atrocities does Obama have to commit before I can stop "giving him a chance" and state my opinion openly without the terrified "shush" of democrats. Afghanistan, the land mine treaty, pesticide execs in charge of agriculture. The great thing about Republicans is that they never disappoint me.
December 1, 2009 22:27:17 (GMT Time)



Name:Paulien
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Hey Ted, we don't have Thanksgiving here, but after reading Abe's words, I am thinking we are missing something. Not the eating turkey, but the spirit of it. Hope you had a wonderful one, my dear friend.
November 28, 2009 21:20:29 (GMT Time)



Name:Shanawa
Email:
HomePage:
Comments:Thank you for Giving every one. Whatever you eat may it make you happy to eat.
November 26, 2009 22:29:48 (GMT Time)



Name:Ted T.
Email:
HomePage:http://www.classicallibrary.org/lincoln/thanksgiving.htm
Comments:Happy Thanksgiving everybody. Thought the above might be appropriate given the times we live in now...stay hopeful
November 26, 2009 19:59:38 (GMT Time)



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Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Cheese is mold
November 26, 2009 06:26:59 (GMT Time)



Name:Ted T.
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Thank you Paulien, that was beautiful.
November 25, 2009 23:07:47 (GMT Time)



Name:Paulien
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:the desire for peace is alive and well and expressing itself beautifully: http://vimeo.com/4396617
November 24, 2009 22:11:21 (GMT Time)



Name:Bill O
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Nice article about GPMer Donna Love in the Santa Cruz Sentinel: http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/localnews/ci_13797455
November 18, 2009 20:35:25 (GMT Time)



Name:Naneki
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Hey all you Peace Marchers out there, let's send our dear surf reporter, Jack Mento some huge waves of loves as he goes back home to be with his Mom who is in the last stages of this life. Big Aloha to you Jack and safe journey. Feel the strength from the many who love you. These are the delicate moments that make our life. May your Mother transition in peace.
November 18, 2009 20:09:06 (GMT Time)



Name:Ben Atherton-Zeman
Email:benazeman{at}hotmail.com
HomePage:http://www.voicesofmen.org
Comments:Happy November 15 to my Great Peace March Family! Remember walking into Washington, DC twenty-three years ago? I sure do - thank you all for changing my life!
November 15, 2009 11:00:14 (GMT Time)



Name:Ted T.
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:LeAnn, my heart goes out to you....I wish you comfort in this time of sorrow.
November 9, 2009 02:54:27 (GMT Time)



Name:Naneki
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Dear fellow marchers, in case you hadn't heard, LeAnn posted that her mother passed away. Mary Louise Norcross died of ovarian cancer. Yet another Marcher marches on...:{
November 2, 2009 15:05:58 (GMT Time)



Name:Shanawa
Email:
HomePage:
Comments:Thank you Ann, I could not be there. The hardest part of life and living is having to lose the people you care about and know.
October 29, 2009 01:38:55 (GMT Time)



Name:Ann Edelman
Email:annunicorn{at}aol.com
HomePage:http://
Comments:Hello, everyone. Gene and June just visited for a couple of days (it was great to see them!) and Gene helped me set this up on my favorite list. I am sure some of you know that I am a computer dope. Anyhow, I haven't had a chance to read everything, but wanted to write something about Coleen, and her very wonderful, very moving kick-ass memorial party. It was just like Coleen to leave that provision in her will. It was such a shock when she died, even though she had been so ill for so long. She was a terrific person, we loved her, and in spite of her illness, she never lost her humor and her intense interest in people, politics and life. :The party was a real tribute to her, and to all the people she was involved with in her life. There must have been over 200 people there, including lots of peace marchers, and many from the deaf comunity. We will miss her terribly.
October 28, 2009 18:40:05 (GMT Time)



Name:Ted T.
Email:tdthomas16{at}att.net
HomePage:http://
Comments:A bit more explanation to my last post from an earthquake news site -In an emergency long distance phone lines often begin working again sooner than local phone lines. This means that your out-of-state contact is a great way to see if your family is okay. If everyone calls and reports to the contact then they can call the people you want to keep informed of your situation. Make sure everyone in your family knows the number of the out-of-state contact. Don't count on your cell phone. The increased traffic on cell phone networks can quickly overload wireless capacity. But text messaging uses a different part of the cell phone network and it may be possibler to send and receive text messages even if phone lines are jammed. If possible avoid making non-urgent phone calls after a disaster because the increased trafrfic can jam phone circuits. Make sure you have phone in your house that does not require electricity
October 20, 2009 06:13:49 (GMT Time)



Name:Ted T.
Email:tdthomas16{at}att.net
HomePage:http://
Comments:Our Loma Prieta test just failed (surprisingly tech unsavvy friend). We need someone to act as our backup out-of-state contact post-earthquake. We do a test around April (1906) or Sept. (1989) as it occurs to us. ping me at the above to get our #'s (cell towers get jammed, but text messages wait for an opening).Thanks Sagans
October 19, 2009 03:40:31 (GMT Time)



Name:Joe
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Thanks Barbara. So then how was the party for Coleen? How is the family?
October 9, 2009 11:52:17 (GMT Time)



Name:Barbara
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Mellow. Because the Kick Ass Memorial was on Saturday many of the "day trippers", like the Edelmans, went there insted. We didn't have our regular Saturday night "pot luck" and birthday cake because there was GREAT food at the memorial. Some regular folks, like CJ and the Sahlem family stayed in a hotel this year. We had a visit from Carlos and Mariana DeLaFuente for Friday night and Kathleen Taylor stayed Saturday. The Sahlems, CJ and Rachel, and Tracy Brown and her partner Lane visited a couple of time through the weekend. All told there were 25 people who either visited or stayed in camp.
October 8, 2009 14:40:41 (GMT Time)



Name:Joe
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:So how was the reunion?
October 7, 2009 20:42:49 (GMT Time)



Name:Shanawa
Email:
HomePage:
Comments:Hello all, I am writhing to ask you for help. I helped my Daughter go to NY city last week and drove her to the air port to send her off. She is now 21 and wanted to check out schools in the area as well as see how hard it wold be to get work. On Tuesday as she was walking she was attacked. She said she ran and got away but she feels very shaken over it. If you know anyone in NY that can help her in anyway deal with this please let me know. If I could I would lay her on a soft cloud of security. She knows I love her and she loves me also but she told me not to come there. She is very independent, strong and can't stand leaning or crying on anyone's shoulder not even dads but I know this shocked her. Seattle is very mellow compared to NYC. Please if you know anyone that could provide a secure place for to be while she is there for a month I would be grateful. email me at redhawkspirit@lycos.com my number is 510-717-8320
October 1, 2009 19:55:46 (GMT Time)



Name:Paulien
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:So how was the weekend and the party to honor Coleen? You have no idea how much I thought of you all and wished I could have joined you in paying respect.
September 30, 2009 12:35:57 (GMT Time)



Name:Tracey Brown
Email:MyOwn2Feet{at}aol.com
HomePage:http://
Comments:I am shocked and devastated by this news. I have canceled my plans for the weekend and will be at both the Reunion and the party to honor Coleen. I have not been able to come to the reunion for many years because it conflicts with the Folsom Street Fair but her passing changes priorities for me big time. I look forward to seeing you all Friday and Saturday. Namaste, Tracey (CA State Peace March, 1988)
September 23, 2009 23:23:01 (GMT Time)



Name:Jypsy Jim
Email:eco-ark{at}hotmail.com
HomePage:http://
Comments:The computer went down yesterday, delaying my search for a ride to the Cali reunion from the L.A. Area. Just in case something offers itself at the last minute, I can be reached at 714-826-5241 until mid Thursday. Hope to see many of you there.
September 23, 2009 18:50:33 (GMT Time)



Name:Rich Sickler
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Reunion at Lake Casitas spaces G-20,G-21 and G-22 are reserved in my name Richard Sickler from Thursday until Sunday. This Campground does lock the front Gate at 10:00 pm so keep that in mind.
September 23, 2009 16:18:16 (GMT Time)



Name:
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:To prepare for Coleen's "Kick-Ass Memorial Party" on Saturday the 26th, please join us for a work party at her home on Thursday to clean and... organize the house and yard. Come anytime, stay any amount of time...some food and drinks available. 9:00AM Thursday, September 24th Location:Coleen's home
September 23, 2009 01:10:05 (GMT Time)



Name:evan austin
Email:evanjaustin{at}gmail.com
HomePage:http://www.kiva.org/team/gpm
Comments:Julia Gosztyla Ziobro says via Facebook: partly in honor of Coleen Ashly, and partly because I've been thinking about it for a while, I've created a Great Peace March community on Kiva.org (link above). Join the community and have your loans be counted! Unlike the GPM, we'll be able to see some of the ripples from our work. :-)
September 22, 2009 20:18:57 (GMT Time)



Name:evan austin
Email:evanjaustin{at}gmail.com
HomePage:http://www.ojaipeace.org
Comments:The Ojai Peace Coalition - of which i am the director and which Coleen has supported strongly since its creation in 2005 - awarded its third annual "Noble Peace Prize" to a local shero last night in Ojai. In Coleens declining health she has long been unable to participate in activism in the same ways that she used to, and so Jessie and i asked her to cast a vote for this years NPP honoree. she was thrilled to do this, and weighed the decision very carefully. this was one of her last acts of peace activism, and the person she voted for received the award. i will post a link to the video when it is available.
September 22, 2009 15:52:49 (GMT Time)



Name:Barbara
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:The California annual GPM Reunion is also this weekend at Lake Casitas. That is only a few miles from Coleen's house and the Kick Ass memorial party. Bring a tent and a sleeping bag. Join us in the "G-Grebe" campground. Coleen's timing is pretty amazing. What style.
September 22, 2009 14:07:52 (GMT Time)



Name:Barbara
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Coleen's Kick-Ass Memorial Party September 26, 2009 2:00 PM, Coleen's home, 111 N. Pueblo, Meiners Oaks, CA 93023. You knew Coleen; you know she loved to host and attend parties! Her Will specifies that a catered party be held at her home in her honor, with libations and "good, bad, and ugly" story-telling. Please join us for precisely that, and stay til whenever! It will be very helpful for food-and-drink planning if you would please RSVP to jaustinrn@gmail.com, 805-640-8478, or 714-328-8155. If you have physical items (photos, trinkets, notes, etc) that help describe Coleen's life, please bring them to help create a Memory Wall.
September 22, 2009 14:03:10 (GMT Time)



Name:Steven Klein
Email:See my web page for contact info
HomePage:http://stevenjklein.net/
Comments:I just read an email from Julia telling me the sad news. Years ago I told Coleen how much I appreciated her continued friendship after my change of politics seemed to divide me from many of my GPM friends. Of course, I didn't know how few years left she had, but I'm glad I told her when I had the chance. Let this serve as a reminder to us all to share with our friends how much we appreciate them. May G-d comfort us all on this occasion of our shared loss.
September 22, 2009 02:53:58 (GMT Time)



Name:Ashly & Austin families
Email:jaustinrn{at}gmail.com
HomePage:http://www.sympathytree.com/coleenashly1950
Comments:the family of Coleen Ashly regrets to inform you that Coleen passed away in her home on Sunday September 20, 2009. We invite you to please visit the memorial website linked here to post your own stories and photos to help memorialize her.
September 21, 2009 22:17:58 (GMT Time)



Name:Jypsy Jim
Email:eco-ark{at}hotmail.com
HomePage:
Comments:Still seeking a ride from L.A. area to the Cali. Reunion. Anyone going up?
September 21, 2009 21:26:21 (GMT Time)



Name:Shanawa
Email:
HomePage:
Comments:Paulien, you have not burst my bubble but for now I am going to take a breather and reflect on our loss. It is always sad to lose someone.
September 21, 2009 20:54:44 (GMT Time)



Name:Joe
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Oh no. No, no.
September 21, 2009 20:05:10 (GMT Time)



Name:Barbara
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:It is true HOWEVER, the family wants time to make an official announcement. As I understand they would like some quiet patience. Let hold each other and stay still for a bit before we light up the internet too brightly. Thanks
September 21, 2009 19:56:40 (GMT Time)



Name:Gene
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:This is incredible or terrible or... – how can this be??? Coleen was an institution on the Peace March; she was the center of all things GPM in So. CA. I just called Dick Edelman to see if he knows anything. He says yes, she’s been sick for a long time with emphysema. What a loss! Insupportable!
September 21, 2009 19:17:48 (GMT Time)



Name:Jypsy Jim
Email:eco-ark{at}hotmail.com
HomePage:http://www.facebook.com/pages/Zen/126204511319?ref=ts#
Comments:Richard called to give me the news by phone last night. He was planning on visiting at her place for a few days before the Cali. reunion. If it is a rumour then it is a pretty powerful one. It is my impression that Dennis was his source for the information, but I could still be happily incorrect.
September 21, 2009 19:03:38 (GMT Time)



Name:Naneki
Email:Coleen's Death
HomePage:http://
Comments:I just read on Facebook that Coleen Ashly died on Sunday. Is this terrible news true or is it just a sick rumor. Can anyone verify...hopefully you can Coleen by posting that you are "still here!" If it is true my heart is so saddened by the loss of another fabulous peace lover.
September 21, 2009 17:58:21 (GMT Time)



Name:Paulien
Email:
HomePage:http://
Comments:Well, living in a country where everyone has to have medical insurance, I looked for those long lines of people waiting for medical care, but sorry to burst your bubble Shawana, I did not see them. The social thing about our system is that everyone pays, the unemployed pay very little, but they still pay. Folks who earn more, pay more. As a result, every child in this country can go to the doctor when needed. Every adult as well. We see it as a right.
September 21, 2009 16:01:00 (GMT Time)



Name:Shanawa
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Comments:I will not go so far as to say that those that are poor want to live that way, I believe that the poor should learn how to run a business, how to catch their dream and make it work for them, how to work towards their dreams. Make the poor plentiful through educating them. There are bums, procrastinators, hard workers and hard thinking workers. If the poor would stop procrastinating in their lives and use hard work combined with smart working they will (Notice I said, WILL, as in WILL power) have all they need and more. Then the poor will not have to think that they have to look outside themselves (Government) to get what they want, to take care of them, to take from other people so they can get what they need for doing nothing. They will discover themselves and realize that they have it within themselves to get anything they need and want. Now that is power, the power of the individual untethered by government, independent and free, that is the dream.
September 20, 2009 21:56:15 (GMT Time)



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Comments:What is it about your thinking that feels that government is the answer to everything? Government of dependence only keeps people in bondage and subject to government dictates resulting in the poor always staying that way while dragging everyone down through taxes. Taxes are a never ending trough that only feeds, clothes and houses fat cat politicians and motivates them to become career politicians always thinking of other so called higher causes to take money out of your pocket to squander and keep them high on the hog.
September 20, 2009 21:55:00 (GMT Time)



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Comments:The government is compassionate?????? Do you know that if government gets into the personal health care of the poor that they will deny many of them treatment because the government will have access to their personal health care records. Do you know the implications of that scenario? Think about it, now you may not smoke marijuana but your poor friends may and other people on drugs will all be scrutinized by the government and told if you don't get some kind of NA or AA you will not get treatment. If you don’t get a drug test you will not get treatment. All the poor will have to go through drug tests, just how compassionate is that? Say it is set up for 100% of the poor do you think it will be any different then what I described earlier? There will be suffering and neglect with government run health care too as people wait in long lines and go without. Socialist government is not the way to go period it has proven to be draconian in the past. It would be draconian here too.
September 20, 2009 21:53:44 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Shanawa, how unlike you! Obama was adopted by the CROW Nation, not the BLACKFOOT!...we happen to be bitter enemies. And I assume every tribe will make their own stickers...but then we could just forget that sad plea.
September 20, 2009 16:25:58 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Michael Moore is the man! Our Grandparents for Peace chapter here showed his "Sicko" in our movie theater just last week as part of our push for "socialized" health care. And on our weekly vigils we hold up signs saying MEDICARE FOR ALL and such like... I can't wait to see his new movie in which he concludes that capitalism is evil!
September 20, 2009 15:25:20 (GMT Time)



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Comments:I feel that the Obama health plan falls far short of what we need in this country. That said, your words Shanawa indicate that you pay more attention to the right pundits than to the bill itself. Obama's plan does not intend to deal with anything near "100 percent" of the american public, just the minority that are uncovered, suffering and dying from neglect by the existing greed based system. America's health care system is ranked 37th in the world for a reason. Only the rich get decent health care here and only the rich come here from other countries for health care. I will trust a government program that includes compassionate provisions (no excluding persons with pre existing conditions) over a program that is based solely on greed and routinely condemns people to death for profit.
September 20, 2009 13:27:51 (GMT Time)



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Comments:. Being white and male should not be a reason for being judged guilty, it too becomes racism. One of the definitions of racism is its devaluation of an individual’s worth for being a member of a racial group. It’s ironic and hypocritical when those on the left commit the same wrong they decry by condemning “white middle aged men by virtue of their age and the color of their skin. What these people are against is politically based not racial. Ted, I do love what you said about the Blackfoot. Marc if we made a bumper sticker it would not work because it would have to name all the tribes and Native American Indian Nations. That would be one long bumper sticker. I know obama was adopted by the Blackfoot Nation but I would prefer that if there were a bumper sticker made it would be better to have it read Native American Indian Nations but we are all here now.
September 20, 2009 07:03:09 (GMT Time)



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Comments:We do have Muslim clergy that foment hate and would harm us but one of the main reasons that Repelicans lost so much was their war mongering, turning what was basically a crime into an excuse to invade oil reserves for those corporations who put their money in republican’s pockets, using mercenaries to protect politicians and justifying the ugly use of torture. People, not only on the left but the middle as well as quite a few on the right were sick of this and believed obama when he said change would come. Well we are still in Iraq and obama is sending more troops to Afghanistan. Where are all the left leaning war protesters now? A lot of these people you say are racist just did not expect obama’s left leaning ways of thinking government can take care of you and that government knows better. They don’t believe government should own Auto corporations, banks, finance Union thugs and reach down into our personal health care. Being white and male should not be a reason for being judged g
September 20, 2009 07:01:29 (GMT Time)



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Comments:James I listen to the Right and the left tripe to get a good laugh and define the middle road I am on by doing so. Joe, Ted, Marc, There is no doubt that some racism still exists, I have lived it and caught the brunt of it all my life, but I have also met wonderful and beautiful soul loving white people in my life who are right, left and in the middle politically. But Carter and Dowd are manufacturing the race card to validate their own prejudices against phyical conservatives and as a weapon to advance their left leaning policies. These two are doing damage to race relations when they use race to advance their political beliefs when no deep racial motives exist. If what you say is true how did obama get in office in the first place.
September 20, 2009 07:00:06 (GMT Time)



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Comments: When one looks at the history of Native American Indian health care it was promised by the Federal government that the Native American Indian people would be provided health care. The fact is it has been and is a shambles. If the U.S government can’t take care of 1% of the population how would it ever take care of 100%? Then you can ask any veteran of the U.S. Military what they have to go through to get medical care they would tell you it is like pulling teeth. With a record like this I and many others cannot see how obama’s plan will ever hold water and it will all come crashing down. Government can’t be trusted with my health care, it can’t even balance the budget or manage the deficit. There are laws out there that are written that say the police cannot have access to your health records do you really want government to have that access, I for one don’t. Government is the wrong road to take and will lead to disaster.
September 20, 2009 06:57:46 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Yes Europe and Canada have socialized medicine but look at the lines they have to wait in for minor treatment, look at the waiting of months, even years to get specialized treatment. People around the world come here to the U.S. for their treatment. People from Canada and Europe come here for treatment. A few weeks ago when I was at a Pow Wow at Day Break Star in Seattle I met a woman from France who said we have so much more freedom here when it comes to health care. She stated that in France, if she does not get her child the shots that the state dictates her child can be taken away from her and she could be charged for child neglect and abuse. She said the freedom here is that it is up to the parent to make the choice with no repercussion of being in jail and having a record because one don’t believe the shots that are given are good for you.
September 20, 2009 06:56:37 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Laura, it is true and I have to concede the point you make about obama’s mother being a U.S. citizen. It’s in Federal Court now so let’s see how it pans out. Nancy, I do not think that the claim of the “death Panel people” is far from the truth. I say this because government has never run anything efficiently, the exception being war. Those in government that are placed in charge of handing out the money are the ones that make the decisions, thus they are panels of political pundants who say who gets treated and who does not get treated based on the money they have to treat people with. The elderly and others who are traumatic accident victims will be judged by their quality of life vs. the ability of the state or government to pay for it. Thus bureaucrats make these decisions not doctors and loved ones. It all becomes rationed care.
September 20, 2009 06:54:39 (GMT Time)



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Comments:"If you're going to yell 'I want my country back!' it better be in Blackfoot!" GREAT LINE, Ted! That should be a bumper sticker or something. By the way, isn't it interesting how Jimmy Carter told the truth about racism, but he got slammed by all sides for it? The Obama people don't think it's politically advisable to acknowledge the part that racism plays in people's antipathy toward Obama. Maybe they're right.
September 20, 2009 00:31:16 (GMT Time)



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Comments:The "birthers" and the rest of them are just the bottom of the barrel. While a majority of Americans are mostly sensible, reasonable, and concerned (mostly? often? sometimes? often enough? once in a blue moon?) and voted the man in....this election has exposed a truly hateful, scared, and racist slice of America (of course if you ask them, noone will say it's about race). that is amazingly vocal (but given way too much attention by the supposedly "liberal" media). Why are conspiracy nutjobs (and Ann Coulter) given equal time to profess the idiotic as though it merits serious consideration?. Just like Obama seeking bipartisanship rather than ramming the House/Senate/Presidency mandate we gave him down the Repugs throats (like BushCo would've), we tolerate intolerance in the name of getting along. If you're going to yell "I want my country back!" it better be in Blackfoot.
September 19, 2009 21:54:35 (GMT Time)



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Comments:It is painfully obvious that the real issue is that the president is an African-American. Those who would claim that he has somehow been lying about his citizenship for almost 50 years would not be troubled by constitutional arguments nor would they care about the citizenship of his mother whom they would consider to be a race traitor anyway. This is all thinly disguised racism regardless of how much such people spew about the president being a racist or a liar or a socialist or a Muslim. It is all very reminiscent of the charges that Martin Luther King was a communist. It is all very reminiscent of those people who called us communists and dupes when we walked across the US for nuclear disarmament. At this point, I do not wish to engage directly with such hatred and willful ignorance. If people want to remain rooted in hatred and ignorance and fundamentalism of one sort or another, then for them the world really is flat and no amount of rational argument will make any difference.
September 19, 2009 21:16:57 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Thank you Laura. Yes, read the constitution and stop reading/watching Fox news propaganda.
September 19, 2009 16:20:39 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Hello, Friends, The US Constitution says that the president must be a "Natural born citizen." The term refers to anyone born within the US or its territories, OR anyone born of an American citizen. Since Obamas mom is an American citizen, her son, Barak, is, too, and constitutionally he would be a "natural born" American citizen whether she gave birth to him in Kenya, in Hawaii, or on the moon. Please, please, read the Constitution. It is so worth the time and effort to know our plan of government.
September 19, 2009 16:11:33 (GMT Time)



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Comments:oops-it was me that said we do know the truth- the truth being the REAL birth certificate that he has already produced- i didnt mean to be anon- i cant believe the "birthers" and "death panel" people- do you think that they even believe the bs they are spouting? or do they just hate on obama so much that they'll say anything to try to besmirch him? and if its the latter, how much do you think race plays into it? i am truly baffled by it.
September 19, 2009 15:20:02 (GMT Time)



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Comments:It is said obama was born in Kenya! I guess that this court will find out the truth. If it is true that Obama was not born in the U.S. then it will be seen as a violation of the U.S. Constitution. It seems that Obama has tried everything to get the case dismissed so I have the question in my mind, why he just don't show his birth certificate and get it done with before it had to go to court instead of trying to stop the federal court procedure? Is he trying to hide something or delay and defer it till he is out of office? You know me by now and my feeling toward all politicians. I have no great love or trust for obama ether weather he be black, white, brown, yellow of red. I would love to see him fall on his face and take all his government run socialist policies with him, I would be very happy about it. I would celebrate. That dose not mean I want the republicans back in office ether, It doesn't mean I am right wing, as I said I do not trust any of them, I know better.
September 19, 2009 06:17:46 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Time to take credit for you posts, folks. It feels like we've been hacked by Glenn Beck. If that's not a marcher I'd like to see it removed.
September 19, 2009 03:22:58 (GMT Time)



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Comments:ummm. we DO know the truth about where he was born
September 19, 2009 00:02:26 (GMT Time)



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Comments:The judge, who is a former U.S. Marine, repeated several times that this is a very serious case which must be resolved quickly so that the troops know that their Commander in Chief is eligible to hold that position and issue lawful orders to our military in this time of war. He basically said Obama must prove his eligibility to the court! He said Americans deserve to know the truth about their President!
September 18, 2009 23:26:04 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Federal Court in Santa Ana in the lawsuit against Barack Obama to determine his eligibility to be President and Commander in Chief.Judge David Carter refused to hear Obama’s request for dismissal today, instead setting a hearing date for Oct. 5, since Obama’s attorneys had just filed the motion on Friday. He indicated there was almost no chance that this case would be dismissed. Obama is arguing this lawsuit was filed in the wrong court if you can believe that. I guess Obama would prefer a “kangaroo court” instead of a Federal court! Assuming Judge Carter denies Obama’s motion for dismissal, he will likely then order expedited discovery which will force Obama to release his birth certificate in a timely manner (if he has one).
September 18, 2009 23:25:40 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Plans changed and my ride fell through. Anyone going to the reunion from the L.A./O.C. area? I am coming from the border area (Cypress)
September 18, 2009 21:43:02 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Its about the only two things obama had done that is any good. getting the defence shield in Europe down and he is a good public speaker although the content is just as much garbage as any other politician. We are still in Iraq and he wants to send more troops into Afghanistan. I do love my home land and a lot of the people in it though. I can give a good guess as to who is our anonymous American hater poster is.
September 18, 2009 18:51:11 (GMT Time)



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Comments:hoo boy. An anonymous America hater on the peace website.
September 18, 2009 18:14:03 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Yes Paulien, he is smart, decent, hardworking. That's why so many Americans don't believe he is American, believe he is a communist, believe he is coming by force to take our guns away, believe he is a terrorist, believe his health plan is intended to kill the elderly. I am so tired of America and Americans.
September 17, 2009 12:10:39 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Almost spilled my coffee when I opened my newspaper this morning to read Obama wants to cancel the Missile Defence program here in Europe. Yes! Looks like you finally got a smart guy in the White House!
September 17, 2009 08:33:27 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Hey, Yall, Thanks to Chad Meyers, Clevelander-in-the-know, I can offer Punderson State Park in Cleveland as a great option for the 25th reunion site. They have cottages (26 cottages sleeping six people each), almost 200 tent sites, and a lodge, all located around a lake. Punderson State Park is located about 30 minutes from Hopkins International Airport, the main airport in Cleveland, and the site is about the same distance from downtown Cleveland. See what you think of this site for our reunion and post your feedback on the "25th Reunion - Coming Soon!" Discussion Board over on the Great Peace March FACEBOOK page. http://ohiodnr.com/parks/punderson/tabid/780/Default.aspx See the "Friends of Punderson State Park" website for photos of the campground: http://www.friendsofpunderson.com/ Laura
September 10, 2009 16:00:46 (GMT Time)



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Comments:P.S. If you can't make it this year but, would like to help with The cost of this reunion or the next. Donations can be made thur Paypal send to. Maidubelden@aol.com. The last reunion will take place 2112 at the end of the Universe. No wait, the end of the World. End of the Universe. silly me.That's not for another 1,335,554,999 years.
September 10, 2009 01:53:03 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Fifteen days until the 23rd annual California reunion of the GPM. Three camp sites at Lake Casitas have been reserved in my name for September 24th, 25th and 26th. They are in Grebe campgroud. G-20, G-21 and G-22. Yea, I know it makes me feel old to. I guess you are the only reason(s) I show up every year.
September 10, 2009 01:40:53 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Joe Kinczel POB 1754 Nederland CO 80466-1754
September 7, 2009 23:19:09 (GMT Time)



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Comments:I've got an extra $20 sitting around, send me contact info
September 7, 2009 19:55:19 (GMT Time)



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Comments:I just got the bill for this website. it is $42 for six months or $84 for the year. Is anyone willing to contribute money towards this bill?
September 7, 2009 15:49:05 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Yes I guess Obama did not want to deal with a controversy while he is trying to push his socialistic health care. Like all politicians he would throw his grandmother to the wolfs to get the things he wants.
September 6, 2009 21:08:11 (GMT Time)



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Comments:I'm very disappointed that President Obama let Van Jones resign. Or perhaps asked him to.
September 6, 2009 09:02:03 (GMT Time)



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Comments:hi family! missing the connection big-time right now.just lost my father, on aug,21st. my parents were married 50-years and i feel blessed to have had the both of them together all my life. the good,the bad & the ugly. made me the person i am today. are we camping this year? i am thankful for the joy in my heart, the love of my family & friends.me & the girls are fine. school is starting next week. rachel, is a senior & sarah, is a freshman this fall.i pray each of you and your families are well, safe, happy, at peace & loving life.god bless you and may He keep you until we meet again. c. j.
September 5, 2009 23:22:43 (GMT Time)



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Comments: Hey Barbara. Do you have a email list of marchers and can you send out a notice for the reunion? please and thank you.
September 5, 2009 17:41:25 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Thanks, Shanawa, yeah, I do believe he's right. Anyway, it's a much saner course than the one Obama's people seem to be charting. By the way, I've noticed that when I load the guestbook page lately, the background disappears and becomes all white. Anybody else experiencing this?
September 2, 2009 22:55:38 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Very Interesting Marc, Looks like a page out of the art of war. What he says In that article may be the best way to deal with the Afghan war.
September 2, 2009 15:13:02 (GMT Time)



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September 1, 2009 10:33:51 (GMT Time)



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Comments:We are ok, Ted, thanks for asking. We smell the smoke some but that's all. I haven't even had too much trouble with my asthma - we are in a pretty urban area--the fires are on the outskirts. Be safe, James!! Hope to see some of you at the reunion!
September 1, 2009 01:20:02 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Why so many fires every year in California? Is it that there may be an arsonist doing this or a group of them? It seems very weird to me that so many fires happen every year. It can't be that natural to have that many fires all the time. I know fire is natures way of renewing itself but this is way too much. I feel for you James and all others that lose the beauty they knew when fire comes through. Please stay out of harms way every one.
August 31, 2009 18:50:51 (GMT Time)



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Comments:I've had a front row seat living in N. Altadena. I have a friend up in an evac area who hasn't left, been keeping in touch with him. Spent the last two days watching "my" mountains burn out the front window and watching the fires dip into my favorite hiking canyons. I'm anxious to get in there and see what's left.
August 31, 2009 14:24:13 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Hey SoCal, how are you all doing with those fires?...Lynn?.
August 31, 2009 00:52:16 (GMT Time)



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Comments:I see and understand what you mean Joe. I have always said I am not Left or Right. When it comes to corporate greed one must look at how it gets that way. Corporate greed walks hand and hand with Government and politicians. Nearly all the corporations you speak of find ways in politicians pockets to get the monopolies they enjoy. Every dishonest corporation gets laws passed by corrupted politicians and judges that get kick backs to introduce bills, or stuff bills with extra measures so laws are passed to help corporations maintain their monopolies and greed. Peabody comes to mind, when you have a government entity BLM and a governor along with other politicians in the Senate and House to get Laws passed to strip mine coal on Native American Indian Land. If people knew half of the corruption that goes on with government they could see that a government of defence would be the answer and go a long way to separating government from business to end the greed of corporate monopolies.
August 29, 2009 23:00:03 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Shanawa, I do share your distrust and alienation from most American politicians and much of the US government. I can appreciate why you would utterly dismiss the usefulness of our government other than for defense, though I do not go that far. I also share your admiration for individual economic freedom and have spent most of my days for the last twenty years doing business with folks from all over. I have no love for the socialism of the USSR having lived in it for years. And yet, I believe that US society has become dangerously unbalanced in its obsession with capital and capitalism to the detriment of the people, of us. Markets do not care about people and the large corporations are not places where one finds much compassion. There is something desperate and sad going on in the US and it emanates from the excesses of capitalism as well as the failures of government. I do not believe that capitalism or markets can solve every problem in society or provide the community that we need.
August 29, 2009 15:59:58 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Governments, politicians have never created anything good. It has always been the back yard inventor or the person that started from a stand and built their business up in the market place. Government and clergy has always hindered that advance. They take for the higher cause when there is no higher cause then the wright of the individual. When government takes, through taxes, more then a person has to stay in business the whole society suffers, jobs are lost less and less people get paid. This is what happened when the USSR taxed it's business people to the point that no one had the motivation or money to start a business, the result was a crumbled society, mass hunger and the governments demise. like it or not business and the market place has and will always be the place of ideas and creating values for society. Government should get out of the way and only be for defence till the day we don't need defence. Government as we know it today is obsolete and a drain on society.
August 28, 2009 04:29:54 (GMT Time)



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Comments:I believe that governments always and everywhere create winners in the market place. The question facing any government is which winners to create and at what cost to whom. I believe that it is a delusion to think that an unfettered market place has ever existed in any society with a functioning government and an even greater delusion to think that a modern society can function without government. So then for me it becomes a matter of what kind of government I want. I prefer one that places the interests of the majority of the common citizenry ahead of the interests of the clergy or the wealthy minority including the corporate, industrial and military elite. Ted Kennedy, though he came from the wealthiest minority, has been on the side of the common majority and spent his career trying to expand our rights. While this comes at an expense, he never wanted it to come at the expense of that common majority, but rather at the expense of his own class. He was very much like FDR in this way.
August 27, 2009 23:44:46 (GMT Time)



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Comments:The US dollar is going down, Inflation will eat every dollar you make. More then $10 trillion in government spending is triggering a massive devaluation that will be on top of us before we realise it is happening. The Federal bail out will total over 23 trillion dollars that would be around $70,000 per person. All brought to you by career Politicians like Teddie.
August 27, 2009 19:35:03 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Lori and I are thinking about Ted Kennedy this morning and grieving his death. We are also honoring his contributions to civil rights, peace and the many progressive causes he moved along. I also respect him for his failures and his willingness to confront those failures and take some responsibility for his actions.
August 27, 2009 13:52:12 (GMT Time)



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Comments:...it's getting scarce. I'm not sure about you, but I'm willing bet that Big Oil really isn't ready for us to start thinking about scarcity and repurposing. Given the latest EMP bomb worries, I have started to think about a low-tech future, so Peak Oil at least gets the discussion going
August 26, 2009 20:15:59 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Kind of encouraging in a mercenary sort of way? someone else who doesn't believe in Peak Oil?...are you one of those "pry my car from my cold dead fingers" types Marc?. 2 trillion or 10 trillion barrels, Peak was 5 years ago or 10 years away, whatever, and don't get me started on what we may find off whomever's coast. Given the ratio of energy derived from a gallon of oil as opposed to anything else, we all too easily squander it and have no concern about how our society will function sans oil (try that 7 generations thought problem). And it's not just about cars...go around your house and toss out all your plastics...a lot of your cosmetics, your garden chemicals, your clothes. Go to your fridge and toss out anything not grown within a days walk or bike ride away (cheap transport gets you apples in Dec.). And while I have carved a bowl from a piece of wood, I don't relish trying to fabricate even a 6 person setting. and unless our planet actually is a Tootsie Pop with a oily center...
August 26, 2009 20:05:42 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Goodbye Senator Kennedy. Thanks for all your good hard work.
August 26, 2009 06:04:40 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Drill baby drill? Here's someone else who doesn't believe in "peak oil." Kind of encouraging in a mercenary sort of way.
August 26, 2009 06:02:54 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Go to facebook and search the great peace march Joe. Lots and lots of great photos posted, including '86 ones of you and Lori. Rich, I'll post the info there tomorrow.
August 26, 2009 03:20:10 (GMT Time)



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Comments: September 24th, 25th and 26th. Lake Casitas. That's near Ojai Ca. They are in Grebe campgroud. G-20, G-21 and G-22
August 26, 2009 03:16:25 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Sorry, but we have a Facebook page? What is it?
August 26, 2009 02:51:38 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Rich, if you post all the details here again I'll check the FB page and see if its mentioned there.
August 26, 2009 01:38:01 (GMT Time)



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Comments:On a lighter note, is there any way to get the word out about the reunion at Lake Casitas? I think this is the last of the Ca. reunions for me. I do look forward to seeing some of you in 2011. Zion Park sounds good to me.
August 25, 2009 23:04:32 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Yep! we are still at war under good old Obama I guess he will pull a Nixon on us and use the war to get reelected by saying he will get us out of the war. That's if there is any more money left to pay to get them out after he has run up the deficit and taxed us to death. Politicians promises at their finest. Do I like him, he stinks like all other politicians.
August 25, 2009 21:11:58 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Oh, right, but James, I explained that all to you. What can I say other than, the more things change.....
August 25, 2009 21:04:30 (GMT Time)



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Comments:But Joe... you DID leave the country under Obama. And hey, "war is a necessity, not a choice". Who knew? All this time wasted on peace work... I wouldn't go back to Bush for anything but I do miss being able to turn to the lefty next to me and say "can you BELIEVE he said that ?!" and not get the "deer-in-headlights-must-not-criticize-democrat" blank stare back.
August 25, 2009 20:35:12 (GMT Time)



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Comments:So what do other think of Obama? He seems very Clintonlike to me in terms of his politics. That is not a compliment, but does not make me want to leave the country like Bush did.
August 25, 2009 20:18:38 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Guess not Gene. There's a democrat president, go back to sleep.
August 25, 2009 17:07:26 (GMT Time)



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Comments:is anybody going to pittsburgh for peace demonstration during th G 20 summit?
August 24, 2009 05:38:42 (GMT Time)



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Comments:hey, don't mellow our harsh...
August 23, 2009 08:05:12 (GMT Time)



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Comments:One thing that complicates my feelings in this is that many of the victims' family members, who have followed this case much closer than I have, believe the convicted man to be innocent or at least not directly involved in the planning and carrying out of the bombing. They believe that his conviction allowed the police to end an expensive and time consuming investigation and that the true villains have not been caught or punished. And for the record I'm with Nancy on this one. In any case, complicated feelings though I strive for the equanimity Joe describes.
August 23, 2009 00:20:01 (GMT Time)



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Comments:You're right Shanawa, none of us knows what happens at death or beyond, we have ideas and hopes but the reality of the moments are a mystery. I have been near Ground Zero at the NTS and been very peaceful....I've faced armed Wackenhuts and been calm as I've ever been...because I'm ready to die for something I believe in and facing someone (even if not directly) that ultimately would understand my actions (even if I had to educate them). But to face a sudden and violent death with little meaning, from a cowardly and viscous and unaware source, I don't think I would be able to accept that. And yes, I know that hoping to pick ones time and method of dying is approaching hubris. That said, whatever manisfestation Liz presents now, I hope she is okay with this.
August 21, 2009 20:24:22 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Barbara, I am sorry that I gave you the impression that I was trying to put you down or to inflate. That certainly was not my intention and I apologize for further hurting your feelings. I won't try to reiterate or to further explain my position, but my feelings about the matter really have not changed.
August 21, 2009 19:28:01 (GMT Time)



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Comments:I am not looking to fight. I just think your tone was a bit superior, as if those of us who feel upset are lower than your high road. I was close to Liz and therefore the pain is very personal.
August 21, 2009 18:39:45 (GMT Time)



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Comments:That Barbara is the nature of free choice and I too am fine with it. Once again, I am sorry for your pain over this issue and I know your huge heart and love you. It is not about a fight between you and me that is for sure.
August 21, 2009 13:49:26 (GMT Time)



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Comments:If yours is the high road Joe then I'll take the low road, and I am fine with that.
August 21, 2009 13:17:47 (GMT Time)



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Comments:It is easy to say, but I want to try and take a high road in my life. It is hard to do, but I want to try and act from a place of highest good especially towards those who have hurt me. To be honest, I was moved to tears when I heard that the authorities had let the man go home to die. It is easy from far away, but I felt that this decision embodied nobility, bravery and compassion which stands in stark contrast to the savagery, cowardice and selfishness inherent in the crimes that the man committed. It is easy to ask, but I ask is it not best to forgive our enemies and extend love to them in response to their hatred? I assume that the man is really dying and that he is no longer a threat. Perhaps he is even remorseful? I did not know Liz, but I know the heart of the GPM and that heart is about reconciliation and peace. I am sorry for the pain that many of us are feeling over this man's release. It is easy removed in time, but I celebrate this release as an act befitting of the GPM.
August 21, 2009 12:34:37 (GMT Time)



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Comments:I don't know how we think after death or what we do neither dose anyone but a murderer should never go free in the life time he committed such a repulsive act.
August 21, 2009 06:21:21 (GMT Time)



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Comments:i guess i like to imagine that we become nothing but love when we leave our bodies, maybe it really wouldn't be such a stretch to forgive our killer? i am not articulating this the way i mean to.
August 21, 2009 02:43:34 (GMT Time)



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Comments:I wonder, that would have to be an awful lot of compassion to encompass the person who killed me
August 21, 2009 01:48:02 (GMT Time)



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Comments:i did not know liz well, but from what i have read about her, here, by those who loved her, i wonder if perhaps she would want him to be released. i get the impression she was a woman of tremendous compassion. either way, i am sorry for your suffering, barbara, and everyone else who love and miss her.
August 20, 2009 21:31:58 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Angry and sad...part of life in prisons' punishment is that you will die in prison, not free in your homeland. I too feel he received the mercy he denied others, and I doubt he'll understand or appreciate that.
August 20, 2009 21:28:44 (GMT Time)



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Comments:I don't know about any of the rest of you but I have been so upset all day about the release. I am sad and angry. I miss Liz. I didn't expect to be hit this hard. My stomach keeps turning and I feel stuck and powerless like the day it happened.
August 20, 2009 18:42:40 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Scotland to release convicted Lockerbie bomber. See above link for details.
August 20, 2009 15:13:33 (GMT Time)



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Comments:I just found Jeffrey Turnbull on facebook. He is still on Maui, where I saw him last. E-mail me if you want to link up. I will send him to this site too, if he likes.
August 18, 2009 23:11:54 (GMT Time)



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Comments:hey, don't mellow our harsh...
August 18, 2009 18:09:54 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Live, Laugh, Love
August 18, 2009 05:32:51 (GMT Time)



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Comments:James we were talking about the Bomb, in talking about the bomb one can not leave out the war. As far as your retort I never claimed to have power to invalidate your efforts to effect change in the world. I said that when you leave out facts in your story it is no different then those in power that leave out facts to guide peoples minds to think the way they want them too. That is no change. We are in a discussion and I have every right and will use all the power inside me to disagree with you when you tell that story the way you did. Being part of the GPM I am clearly for Global Nuclear Disarmament, I will go further to say I am against war altogether. War itself is a crime against humanity. No mater what the war is civilians always catch the brunt of it and Japan started that war with the U.S.
August 14, 2009 00:49:25 (GMT Time)



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Comments:My last post had nothing to do with Japan Shanawa. Try reading it.
August 13, 2009 23:38:35 (GMT Time)



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Comments:I am not hallucinating James I'm just not as left as you are, nor do I spin things left as you do. As I said before, far more civilians would have died in Japan if the U.S. would have invaded with conventional weapons. The blame is not the U.S. alone it must also be shared by the WWII government of Japan and there military dictatorship. A dictatorship that armed untrained civilian woman and children with pointed sticks and told them if the Americans invade they should attack them. Japans dictatorship would have thrown their entire population into the fray. A soldier and a marine expect to be killed in war but when a dictatorship forces it's civilian population to fight that is just as evil. This same Japanese government is indirectly responsible for the killing of Jews, Pols and all others in Europe simply because they were Allys of Nazi Germany. Name calling will get you no where with me James.
August 13, 2009 23:27:07 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Luckily Shanawa its not in your hallucinated power to invalidate my efforts or effect in this world.
August 13, 2009 18:47:54 (GMT Time)



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Comments:In you bereavement of the U.S. you leave out facts, it is no different then those in control who leave out facts to control. That means your attempt to change is no change.
August 11, 2009 21:45:55 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Going to war is different than targeting civilians, by the hundreds of thousands. Targeting civilians is an act of terrorism and a war crime. On the anniversary of my country's atrocities I choose to remember them for what they are, not excuse them or justify them because those dead civilians "were warned", as though they somehow deserved it. I observe Columbus day in the same way, as the beginning of the European genocide against native peoples. The fact that Stalin was "horrendous" or the Japanese "committed it own acts of horror" has no bearing on my duty as a citizen to recognize and try to change what my country did and does. Its our job to "berate the country we are living in", its the only country where I may effect change.
August 11, 2009 17:48:14 (GMT Time)



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Comments:I see that the conversation has changed a little from then to now. I said no nation is innocent. There are plenty of things wrong with this country of ours. Like giving 27 medals of honor to solders that murdered people at Wounded Knee. I feel those medals should be rescinded. There is no honor in them. Anonymous, If you are talking about the Codes of pre WWII, I would like to remind you that they decoded the diplomatic codes not the Japanese Navel code. In any case Japan was still a ally of Nazi Germany. Let me ask you, if the U.S. had not went to war how much of the world would have been under the control of Nazi Germany? Would you had rather them take over? Would the killing of Jews, Poles, Checks, and all others had be less if Japan had not been their ally and caused the U.S. to divert war materials away from stopping Hitler? I do agree about 9/11 there is something very ugly there. I can not stand that we went into Iraq. I would like to see all the facts to words written here.
August 11, 2009 07:34:14 (GMT Time)



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Comments:The U.S. had cracked Japan's codes long before the "suprise attack" on Pearl Harbor was allowed to happen so that FDR could save face and enter the U.S. into the war, as he had proclaimed for years that they wouldn't. The U.S. government is willing to sacrifice it's own citizens without their knowledge, as happened again on 911. NO airplane hit the Pentagon, nor WTC Building 7, which also imploded onto itself that day. The warmongers running the CIA may kill us all someday, and we have not the wisdom to see it coming...
August 11, 2009 04:51:37 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Let me add that in the story of Nisi Jypsy Jim related, Nisi stated and I'll use quotes "The Americans had flown over Nagasaki and dumped fliers from their plane saying that they would bomb our city and that we should evacuate." The United States also informed the Japanese government that they were going to bomb as well as told the population over the radio. The Japanese Government tortured and put in jail any one who was caught lessening to radio broadcast from the allies so the U.S. took the steps to inform the population of the upcoming bombings by dumping those flayers. how many nations would do that. War is ugly all around, From the firing of a bullet to the bomb and all in between. I am neither Left or Right but when I hear or read stories that leave out certain facts to berate the country they are living in I can not just read and say nothing.
August 9, 2009 22:41:12 (GMT Time)



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Comments:The United States demanded unconditional surrender. Japan was an ally of (((Nazi Germany))). Japan refused to be occupied or disband their Military political system. The United States had to insure it's people would not be attacked by the system that Japan wanted to retain, The same system that decided to attack Pearl Harbor and started the war. Japan not only wanted to retain Hirohito as emperor of Japan, they demanded that their current military code of Bushido political system stay intact. This system of Military government dominated their people. The United States simply could not accept such terms. We can also remember that no occupation of an enemy nation in history was as humane as the United State's occupation of Japan. Japanese people today, know freedom like never before in it's history. If you are word picking what I had written let me point out that I said no nation is innocent. War is the scourge. I look for the day war is no more.
August 8, 2009 05:21:34 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Shanawa, do you simply not believe that Japan offered surrender terms before Hiroshima? Because your last post seems to ignore that information.
August 7, 2009 20:51:22 (GMT Time)



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Comments:The facts remain the same Japan would have been invaded with or with out the bomb. What I am saying is the cost in lives (Not only American) would have been far greater using conventional weapons. In any case the U.S. and Japan were at war. Japan started the war after the U.S. cut off oil supplies to Japan for not pulling out of China and Killing every inhabitant of Nanking. In war one side has always continued to fight till the other was totally defeated. Yes I agree that the use of the bomb also sent a message to Stalin But then look how horrendous Stalin was. No country is perfect or innocent Japan committed it own acts of horror and crimes against humanity. War is war. It is no good for anyone, I look for the day there is no more war.
August 7, 2009 18:57:10 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Thanks Professor, for the hard facts and references! (I kind of suck at that)
August 7, 2009 17:34:48 (GMT Time)



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Comments:The article documents that “Japan was militarily defeated long before Hiroshima. It had been trying for months, if not for years, to surrender; and the US had consistently ignored these overtures.” Finally, it proclaims that the real target of those atomic bombs was not Japan, but the Soviet Union. “The dropping of the atomic bombs was not so much the last military act of the Second World War as the first act of the Cold War. The weapons were aimed straight to the red heart of the USSR.” General Leslie Groves, Director of the Manhattan Project, admitted so much in sworn testimony and in his diary as well. Please read this indispensable article.
August 7, 2009 16:53:22 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Important article by William Blum at link above. It points out that the bombings were “one of the two great crimes against humanity in the 20th Century, along with the Holocaust.” (Nagasaki Mayor Hitoshi Motoshima, 1995) The article states that “by 1945, Japan’s entire military and industrial machine was grinding to a halt as the resources needed to wage war were all but eradicated. The navy and air force had been destroyed ship by ship, plane by plane, with no possibility of replacement. When, in the spring of 1945, the island nation’s lifeline to oil was severed, the war was over except for the fighting. By June, Gen. Curtis LeMay, in charge of the air attacks, was complaining that after months of terrible firebombing, there was nothing left of Japanese cities for his bombers but ‘garbage can targets.’ By July, US planes could fly over Japan without resistance and bomb as much and as long as they pleased. Japan could no longer defend itself.”
August 7, 2009 16:51:02 (GMT Time)



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Comments:The Japanese made it known to Truman that they were willing to surrender on one condition: that Hirohito stay in power, for Japanese "honor". He refused and dropped the bomb on Hiroshima. Two days later he dropped the second bomb on Nagasaki. When the Japanese surrendered after that, Hirohito was allowed to stay in power. Absolutely nothing was accomplished by the bombings except the death of 200,000 innocent people. Oh, and the US got to test their new technology on humans and cities and establish itself as the only super-power in the world.
August 7, 2009 16:22:03 (GMT Time)



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Comments:"History is written by the victors." Who wrote that? The fact that the US dropped a second atomic bomb on Japan speaks volumes about the US desire "to save lives." Who wrote that? Regardless, the history that moves me is the history of Nisi as told by Jypsy Jim. Nine bows Jim.
August 7, 2009 12:34:06 (GMT Time)



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Comments:The numbers of dead on Iwo Jima and Okinawa show that the Japanese would have fought to the bitter end. Their leaders were as fanatical as any blood thirsty war lords. In the end let us be thankful that more blood shed and destruction had been avoided. Dose this excuse the use of such a ugly weapon as the atomic bomb? That will be debated throughout time. would conventional weapons have kept woman, children and other non combatants from being killed? Certainly not. I can only hope for the day when we get past the nuclear threshold and end war altogether.
August 7, 2009 09:31:06 (GMT Time)



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Comments:I agree to getting rid of all the Nuclear bombs. War is a scourge. Even without the bomb Japan would have been invaded. The cost in lives would have been far greater. With the use of air support, flame throwers, napalm, phosphorus, willy peat, Navel guns, artillery, and small arms it would have been a street to street, house to house blood bath. Truly a horrendous affair. Death and destruction would have extended from one side of their islands to the other.
August 7, 2009 09:30:19 (GMT Time)



Name:Jypsy Jim
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Comments:Burning my flesh as it tore me from my mothers arms. It was utter chaos, as I lay there burned, blinded and screaming. I could not find my mother, or see anybody. And it hurt so much. Eventually some people came to my aid, but there was not much they could do. I was never reunited with my mother and do not know what happened to her. I was taken to a hospital or triage center I suppose, as I could not see. But there was nothing that they could do for me. I was too badly burned. It seemed like an eternity, or at least 3 days before I succumed to the "Red Death". Slowly bleeding to death through the pores of my skin because my blood could not clot due to the radiation. And that whole time of my suffering, I hated the Americans with a passion and vigor that would seem shocking coming from a 6 year old girl. I was enraged. How could they ever think it was right to do this to me!---I was reborn a white American male. The epitome of the worst I could ever be.--- Submitted in memory of Nisi.
August 7, 2009 00:06:12 (GMT Time)



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Comments:We sought refuge at a temple up the mountainside, overlooking the city. I recall a large gathering area under the temple. Huge beams supported by thick columns held the pagoda roof over our heads. It was full of nervous people, packed close together. Many children were crying as their parents consoled them. It made me wonder if I should be crying too. My mother was holding me, and bouncing me just to head off an outburst of my own, as I gazed around the room at all the nervous people. The front entry way was was broad and we could see Nagasaki off in the distance down below. I do not know if it was raining, but it was overcast at the foot of the mountain. I could tell my mother was nervous too, which didn't help. Then it happened. I was looking at the people. But when the gasped in unison, I turned to see what they were looking at. I did not see much before the flash blinded me and I looked away. Tucking my face into my mothers shoulder. Then the blast hit me from behind.
August 6, 2009 23:43:10 (GMT Time)



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Comments:AMEN! Rev Frank. Thanks (not really) for the reminder. Actually it is 8/9 that is my unholyday. Perhaps not everyone believes in past lives, but when I was 17 the daughter of a Hiroshima survivor spoke to our church youth group. I was totally detached from my emotions after years of bullying and abuse by the public school system. But when this woman spoke, I burst into tears. So bad I had to go outside and get away from it. I am having trouble seeing right now, tears welling in my eyes as I remember it. At the time I could not understand why it was affecting me. I could not cry about anything then. But there I was, bawling my eyes out. At the same time a story and images were coming to me. I was seeing the experience of a 6 yr. old girl named Nisiki. The Americans had flown over Nagasaki and dumped flyers from their plane saying that they would bomb our city and that we should evacuate. It was just mommy and me. Daddy was off at the war. We were scared. Everybody was scared.
August 6, 2009 23:25:07 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Tomorrow is one of our unholydays, when the civilians of a noncombatant city in a defeated nation were massacred in a blinding flash of light by the United States. Recently an American arms official stated that there was no realistic likelihood of a world without nuclear weapons. Left unstated was the obvious fact that there is no realistic likelihood of a world surviving long WITH nuclear weapons either. We must destroy all of them before they destroy all of us. My hope is that the rapid increase in global communication will make our differences seem small enough that nukes will increasingly seem like the aberration that they are. Most people are building lives and raising families. Are we making the world a better place? Or is good something that can be converted or divided but not added? In any case, we have taken the dominance game as far as it goes. I still think we need a GPM every thirty years, until we destroy the weapons or they destroy us. Preaching to the choir again...
August 6, 2009 05:02:23 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Can you surf in the mountains? Watch out for the sharks
August 5, 2009 00:29:21 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Uh oh. Keep your eye on him when he comes down for surf camp.
August 4, 2009 20:10:26 (GMT Time)



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Comments:That must have been one of my other personalities.
August 4, 2009 19:06:47 (GMT Time)



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Comments:OK, Joe, I'm worried about you. How long have you been talking to yourself in the third person?
August 4, 2009 16:58:23 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Joe, All I want to know is where is the guest room!? I'm trying to arrange surf camp birthday in Costa Rica but would love to come see you and Lori in the mountains. Drink some of that fab coffee for me...do they have a Starbucks? Ha! Love to y'alls
August 4, 2009 16:38:20 (GMT Time)



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Comments:We have been here in Costa Rica six days and it is going well. Everything is a challenge and that is exactly what I wanted. Of course that is the downside as well - everything is a challenge. We are into our house; I have set up an office to do my work, and we are familiar enough with our immediate environs to take care of our basic needs. We have visited the kids' school where they start tomorrow. Right now Natasha is riding a horse for $1/hour offered by a campesino in the neighborhood. Alexander has a workout room with weights off the garage. Lori has run twice. I hope to visit the local Zen Center, Casa Zen de Costa Rica later today. Our landlords are wonderful people who have helped us immensely in our transition. Spanish is progressing muy bueno y rapido and the coffee is outstanding. Whew!
August 2, 2009 16:32:10 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Lynn, I hope that your recovery is full and complete. It sounds like you are surrounded by loving kindness in your family. I am filling myself with loving thoughts towards you and your recovery.
August 2, 2009 16:19:34 (GMT Time)



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Comments:I want to go Rich, hit me up on your way, or let me know and I will try to find another way. Hope you can make it Shanawa. Take care of yourselves Frank and Lynn. See you there. Can not check my breasts right now, I am too busy looking at them in the mirror. Hey! My eyes are up here! Balls must be flat. They do not bounce like they used to. Got a book preview in the link above.
August 2, 2009 01:57:15 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Thank you for your wellwishes, dear friends. Lynn and I are back from the redo on the ectomy. The good prognosis and the quiet confidence of the surgeon have made it all much easier. Kaiser medical coverage has taken the financial worry out completely. It was $5 for the co-pay and $8 for parking. And thank you Rich and Barbara and Dennis for organizing the CA reunion for this year. I got 9/25 off so we will be there mid-Fri. And yes, what strange things our languages are. We drive on a parkway and park on a driveway. And since the opposite of Pro is Con, the opposite of Progress is Congress. Lynn is getting lots of good treatment from her friend/employer, who just called from her vacation in Italia. Crystal got a music program for her computer for her birthday, and she is composing some interesting techo stuff and writing songs to rap over it. And I am six workdays from a five-week vacation; we also get a week plus for a white Christmas in Buffalo. Twenty years at a union job... luv2u
July 30, 2009 21:04:39 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Happy birthday, Betty Thomas!
July 27, 2009 23:18:35 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Greetings, peace and health to all! June and I will probably join you all for a day or two.
July 25, 2009 16:46:47 (GMT Time)



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Comments:And guys check your breasts and your balls. That's no joke!
July 24, 2009 22:49:02 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Thanks guys! Please remind the women that you love to have their mamograms! It's worth it!
July 24, 2009 05:45:47 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Barbara, I hope your foot surgery goes well, my good warm thoughts go out to you and your family. Lynn, I can't imagine what you and your family have had to go through, It is good that the lump was caught in time to keep from getting into you lymph glands, I hope that the doctors do the best they can in your upcoming surgery and bring your body healing. Joe, I hope you have a great time traveling to and in your destination. I am sure we will still hear from you on this page. Bryan, Sonia, Its good to hear that Xiomara is with us. Welcome the new peace child. I don't know if I will make the reunion. I need to be in the South West by the end of August or the beginning of September. I just got off the road for 17 months but we will see.
July 24, 2009 04:03:10 (GMT Time)



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Comments:oh jeez, Lynn, I hadn't read your whole post until I saw James's. I wish you health and a quick recovery from your surgery. I am glad they caught the cancer early. May you and Frank and Crystal all be held in safety and peace.
July 24, 2009 01:24:17 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Lynn glad you're ok and in good spirits.
July 23, 2009 23:39:49 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Bon voyage Joe and family!
July 23, 2009 03:14:01 (GMT Time)



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Comments:1)yes 2)fellow infinity group member 3) We'll be there during the days but at a motel at night. For those of you who don't know I had a lumpectomy (breast) last week (during the Michael Jackson funeral!) and will probably be doing radiation about then, so no tents. I'm very lucky in that it was very small and caught very early before it has spread to the lymph nodes--stage 1. They didn't get the "clean margins" that they like so they will go back in in a week or so to take a little more tissue--fortunately my boobs are big enough I probably won't miss it! :-) Please don't anyone worry about me I'm fine, Frank is taking it all well and being there with me as much as he can. Crystal is doing everything she can to help me and trying to not be a typical teen brat as much as she can--hey cancer isn't all bad! Can't wait to see all of you I can in September! Women, don't forget those mamos!!!!
July 23, 2009 02:45:57 (GMT Time)



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Comments:We are on our way this coming Sunday to live in Costa Rica for the next school year. Hence we will not make the reunion this year.
July 23, 2009 00:48:17 (GMT Time)



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Comments:1. I read the post. 2. I am a flicker of life in a mortal body. 3. I won't be coming to the fall reunion. 4. Rich, I remember what the door mouse said, and I remember who asked. 5. Goodnight.
July 21, 2009 05:34:56 (GMT Time)



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Comments:I have foot surgery a month before so I may not be up to the long drive and trying to tent camp if I am still on crutches. It will depend on how I feel that very week. In 23 years I have only missed 3 reunions. It would be strange to miss this one.
July 21, 2009 04:28:43 (GMT Time)



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Comments:I'm going to see if I can cash in some frequent flyer miles to get there. Someone has to represent the East Cast!
July 20, 2009 21:55:32 (GMT Time)



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Comments:If I come out it will be a day trip on Saturday...
July 20, 2009 20:15:15 (GMT Time)



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Comments:We are seriously considering making the 1 day drive from Tucson to the reunion. More likely than not we will be there to show off our awesomely cute GPM love child.
July 20, 2009 02:42:28 (GMT Time)



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Comments:1)read it, 2)me, 3)I'm on the fence.
July 19, 2009 18:04:09 (GMT Time)



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Comments:1)read it 2) see above 3) I'll be in Vegas baby!!
July 18, 2009 22:26:07 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Guestbook survey: Please comment on 1. Have you read this post? 2. Who are you? 3. Are you coming to the reunion? Thank you.
July 18, 2009 17:11:49 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Rich, I got your email. I replied re $ for reservations. I got an "undeliverable" error message. Please let me know via email how much you need from the reunion account. Barbara
July 11, 2009 21:57:04 (GMT Time)



Name:Rich Sickler
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Comments:Correction all three sites have been reserved for three days 9/24,9/25 and 9/26. So come on Thursday I dare you.
July 11, 2009 03:31:21 (GMT Time)



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Comments:I'd like to go back to Breitenbush Hot Springs. First walk after GPM I did went there. If I see you at Casitas I'll tell you a anectdote about that.
July 11, 2009 03:21:59 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Above is the link to the web page map of Lake Casitas. These sites will have a great view of the lake and will also be close to the disc golf area. Dennis is a GREAT teacher of disc golf.
July 10, 2009 03:14:35 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Lake Casitas, I looked it up on Google maps it looks like a nice place. Thank you Rich, I don't know if I will make it there but I will try to fit it in. that part of Calif. is very far from Seattle. I may yet get it together to get a reunion going somewhere between us. I still like the idea of Ashland hot springs or Well Springs it sits in the middle and today with the price of gas it sounds appealing.
July 9, 2009 23:46:55 (GMT Time)



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Comments:It is done. Three camp sites at Lake Casitas have been reserved in my name on my shakey credit for September 24th, 25th and 26th. They are in Grebe campgroud. G-21 is reserved for Thurday thru Saturday and G-20 and G-22 are reserved for Fiday and Saturday. Sorry about the date change and any other bummers. Also I hope to be in the area visiting many GPM'ers by 9/21. There is a Lake Casitas web site. O.K. I'm done someone want to take it from here. Thank you.
July 9, 2009 21:56:52 (GMT Time)



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Comments:But not too soon. Got back far enough to find Andre's last post. So the exploration was worth it. Send me Calif. reunion info. too, Barb. Hey Rich, sent an e-mail to your (former?) e-dress. Haven't heard back yet so contact me if you have a different e-mail now. Aloha All!
July 7, 2009 00:48:19 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Hey Marchers, I am back! Yup, Crawled out of the rainforest and back in So. Cal. No time to review a year of posts, but I will scan some recent posts and and form an @sshole (I mean opinion) about something soon. Aloha!
July 6, 2009 21:19:55 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Yeah, having an acoustically nice shop to myself the other day, I really got to practice my "They call the wind Mariah"
July 3, 2009 19:59:15 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Ted, I hadn't heard about Harve until I saw your note. So now I'll always think of the two of you together .. one of those "Do you remember where you were when you heard Harve Presnell died?" things. (The Coen Brothers rule. I love "Fargo" and "No Country" almost as much as I love "Raising Arizona.")
July 3, 2009 17:18:14 (GMT Time)



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Comments:somehow the passing of Farrah and Michael made me sad and also made me feel old...strange week...
July 3, 2009 16:50:14 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Farrah, Michael, Karl Malden, Ed McMahon, Billy Mays, Harve Presnell, busy week for celeb deaths huh?...
July 3, 2009 01:22:13 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Sometimes when a mate is in the mood there is something to be said for romp and roll tongue licking pick her up and lay her down fun. The sound of sacred sounds a bit boring but it dose have its place if you are talking about gentle sex. Some like to be controls in bed some like to control, some like both ways. That said sacred may be defined in many ways. Spicing it up goes a long way. We are spirit in flesh, as long as we keep our thoughts and feelings good there can be nothing wrong with our love making as long as both or all participants are willing to go there. It is us humans that make it ugly or good, mean or nice, loving or non loving. Then there is a whole other level like S&M which I myself do not go for but many people like. Marc and Ted both make good points. I in no way am a expert at figuring all this out but these are my thoughts and It has become quit an interesting conversation.
June 28, 2009 05:27:22 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Okay, maybe your parents weren't avid cursers....
June 28, 2009 04:53:29 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Tantric practitioners who use terms like "good" sex are like believers and their "missionary" sex, trying to say what is proper or improper expressions of our sexuality. Yet we've all (I hope) have had great sex that was slightly (or very) transgressive to whatever we were taught was proper. And why worry about that "spiritual" sex anyway, that involved, focused tantric sex is nice at times, but that "quick, let's knock one out before we go to work" stuff works too, and can be just as reaffirming. I've thought about what our curses mean, and have come up with the idea that they mean.....nothing, they are merely what we learn from others around us to say to express an emotion, same as "thank you" and "excuse me"...specifics vary by who we are cursing, cultures only come into play when you are trying to hurt someone personally, like yelling "Apu!" at a cabbie who cuts you off, or "bitch" at a woman. BTW while my mom, like all parents, was an avid curser, yet scolded me for it.
June 28, 2009 01:52:49 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Shanawa, I think you make an interesting point. On the one hand, it is true that organized religion has been responsible for inculcating much unnecessary (perhaps "toxic" is the right word) guilt about sex. Some say religion has done this to control people. Maybe so. If you can control how a person feels about their sexuality, what can't you control? But . . . going out on a limb here . . . is there a dark side to sex too, that historically NEEDED to be controlled? I'm not just talking about rape, though of course that is horrendous. But sexual carelessness of all kinds too. Sex is such an enormously powerful, complicated energy in our lives. I interviewed a long-time tantra practitioner last year who totally believes that good sex should always be a "sacred" connective act. Her definition of sacred is too complex to go into here, but she definitely said "should" and "always," though she did not ascribe guilt or impurity to "non-sacred" sex.
June 27, 2009 19:55:07 (GMT Time)



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Comments:I think you have it Ted T. So, have we been suppressed to the point of being obsessed? Or are we obsessed because we have been suppressed? It is a fact that through the ages religion has made the rules concerning Sex. They are seen in words we use such as; Your dirty, your nasty, the devil is in you, you are a sinner, Your mind is in the gutter, all these words contain not only threat but dement the love of making Love and having fun in sex. Religions have inflected the population with guilt and fear. The cuss words are a indication of that guilt and fear. They may be a way of striking out at the oppression. We may be in the beginning of freeing ourselves of it.
June 27, 2009 04:41:29 (GMT Time)



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Comments:In the Russian language swear words tend to center around mothers or female genitalia or prostitutes or when truly upset then all three combined. of course it speaks volumes about the offensive attitude towards women that holds sway in the culture and generally amongst Russian men. Those of you who participated in the IPW walks already know this to be true.
June 26, 2009 12:43:06 (GMT Time)



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Comments:yes Ted, in Dutch it is only 3 syllables. It's interesting Mark, people swear with the word chalice - the cup holding the wine symbolic of the blood of Christ. Also go fry an egg, same intonation as go fuck yourself. In Dutch we say cancer, thyphoid, consumption in exactly the way you would say fuck, piss, shit. What DOES that say about those different cultures? Good question.
June 25, 2009 15:14:06 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Tuberculosis?, really?, that's 5 syllables! at most motherfucker or sonofabitch have four, most are two or one. Curses are normally "spat" at one, TB really doesn't roll of the tongue...or is the Dutch shorter?. And are our curse words really what we're obsessed with or what we suppress and can only utter in extremis...and how long will this thread last?
June 25, 2009 06:55:16 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Breathe my sneeze, you flu bug hotel!
June 25, 2009 04:15:48 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Maybe they say things like, "you are a damn leper".
June 25, 2009 03:14:58 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Your are all just fruity and nuts.
June 24, 2009 08:38:07 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Paulien, I'm not sure what it tells us, but I'd be interested in your analysis. If we swear with sex words does that mean we're more obsessed with sex than cultures that swear with, say, food words? And does it mean we value sex more, or have more ambivalence about it, or what? Which cultures use food words as swear words? Do they say things like "Eat liver!" or "Lick moldy peaches, you rancid beefsteak!" I think telling someone to get TB, as an expression of contempt, makes a certain logical sense . . . but I'd still be interested to hear more about it, and what you perceive it signifies about your culture. Are there certain diseases people use as curses and others that they don't? Do they say, "Get herpes" for example? Or would that be a sort of combination of cultures?
June 24, 2009 07:33:35 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Well folks, those expressions are definitely cultural, your culture happens to swear with sex words, other cultures will swear with food words, yet others swear using religious objects, my own culture swears with words for diseases. We don't say: get fucked, we say get tuberculoses! Tells a lot about what all those different cultures are preoccupied with, doesn't it?
June 23, 2009 20:33:55 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Yes, Shanawa! Another reunion in Ashland, Oregon - at Jackson Hot Springs, or Well Springs as it is also known. I'll help to organize that one - not on site (though we will be there in August, staying in the teepee) but online.
June 19, 2009 15:28:13 (GMT Time)



Name:Barbara
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Comments:Rich, Funny you should ask. Check your email. I sent a message to you just yesterday.
June 19, 2009 06:04:36 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Speaking of reunions, I am at the at Well Springs, the place where we had the reunion. I am finely on the west coast again I have not been home since the Longest Walk started. I'm still not home but I had to melt the tension of the road in the hot spring. The place is so convenient. Jerry the owner really put a lot of work into the place. This place is so nice we should do the reunion here again.
June 19, 2009 04:37:57 (GMT Time)



Name:Rich Sickler
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Comments:Hey Barbara, how's it going, how's the family? Cool. Do you know if the next reunion is going to be in Sept. or Oct.? Yes. Yes i did assume you were going to handle the arrangements. I hope that does'nt make me an ass or a pain in the ass. heh heh.
June 19, 2009 01:01:20 (GMT Time)



Name:Barbara
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Comments:Ya Marc, a definate pain in the ass.
June 18, 2009 15:42:08 (GMT Time)



Name:Ted T.
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Comments:As the old joke punchline goes...Suck! Martha! Suck!...Blow is an expression"
June 17, 2009 22:32:43 (GMT Time)



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Comments:That said, Ahamadinejad is a fucking hemorrhoid. (Now that's painful, isn't it?)
June 17, 2009 20:26:23 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Excellent questions, Shanawa. When we say "I feel fucked" it should mean we feel good, right? But no. I have no idea how or why our common language evolved that way. Big mystery to me.
June 17, 2009 20:25:44 (GMT Time)



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Comments:What I don't understand is how we describe things that we don't like or that we feel are bad with terms and names that describe what we love or love done to us. Like we call someone a dick when we love our own dicks or the ones we are making love to love them. Or we call someone a pussy when someone is being a coward but we love being inside one. We love to suck and be sucked but we say that someone sucks when we don't like what they do, say or the way they do things. We say things are fucked when things go wrong but we love to fuck. We say someone blows when we don't like what they do or say but we love to be blown. I don't mean to be vulgar here or disrespectful and forgive me for being so crude but since we are on the subject I thought I would bring this phenomenon up. I could go on and on with more examples but you get the meaning of what I am saying here.
June 17, 2009 06:15:38 (GMT Time)



Name:Joe
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Comments:Why is blow good and suck bad?
June 17, 2009 03:11:27 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Thank you, Ahamdinejad, for bringing us all together.
June 16, 2009 23:33:56 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Ahmaddinejad blows, suck is a good thing.
June 16, 2009 22:51:50 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Ahmadinejad does suck.
June 16, 2009 17:16:44 (GMT Time)



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Comments:I reflect on that fact often, Joe, and I often talk about it with friends. I don't think Iran would have suffered the reign of the ayatollahs had we not installed the Shah first. Someone else who has apparently reflected on it is President Obama, who explicitly referred to it in his recent speech in Cairo. That said, Ahmadinejad still sucks.
June 15, 2009 08:16:52 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Before we criticize Iran's current electoral process or it's current elected government, perhaps it would be worth reflecting on the historical fact that the CIA overthrew the last, non-theocratic, freely-elected government of Iran in 1954 only to replace it with the Shah. This was done to preserve Iranian oil concessions to western nations including Britain.
June 14, 2009 21:21:41 (GMT Time)



Name:Ted T.
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Comments:Gotta say, if a bunch of websites did get shut down, and a rival candidate arrested for "some" reason.....as long as they put on a "Dancing with the Stars/American Idol/Housewives" marathon, how many people would actually march out into the streets to do anything? how many would know what to do?. I've often said that a lot of nonviolence is a rearguard action, only being prepared for after an incident. Where were the NV trainers ten years ago, before (insert current conflict here)?. There was the resistance to the Shah, but outside of that, I have a hard time thinking of something recent. Even the right-wing crackpots never really talk about where they would gather with their guns. Here in S.F. of course the streets would be clogged with people organizing but what about where you live?...would it be just you? do you have the resources? do you organize a general strike or flip around looking for Stewart or Colbert?. My house is more of a live on our stockpile and wait it out crowd.
June 13, 2009 23:47:28 (GMT Time)



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Comments:I'm not as clear about '04, Nancy, but maybe you're right. I've heard Marc Crispin Miller talk about it, and he was very convincing about the 2004 election having been stolen in Ohio. Regarding Iran, right now, the Huffington Post and NY Times are reporting that opposition candidate Mousavi may be under house arrest. From the NY Times: "Mr. Moussavi, who disappeared from view amid rumors that he was under house arrest or worse, sent word that there would be no turning back, but he did not say how he or his followers should challenge the outcome. The text-messaging that is the nervous system of the opposition was shut down, along with universities, Web sites and newspapers the government regarded as hostile." What a sad mess. At least we didn't have to worry about Gore or Kerry being arrested in 2000 and 2004. Or about our Web site being shut down by the government. But I take your point about brazenness and corruption in our own system and won't dispute it.
June 13, 2009 19:57:22 (GMT Time)



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Comments:i dont know marc, i though the 2000 + 2004 thefts were pretty damn brazen
June 13, 2009 14:45:43 (GMT Time)



Name:Marc
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HomePage:a little flag waving
Comments:Grateful that I live in a country where, even if there is some election fraud, and close national elections such as the ones in 2000 and 1960 can be stolen, at least elections are not stolen as utterly and brazenly as they are in Zimbabawe and Iran. Bummed about Ahmadinejad's "victory."
June 13, 2009 05:02:29 (GMT Time)



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Comments:My friend Jason Has Lamas and His little girl has a dolly lama
June 8, 2009 21:16:14 (GMT Time)



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Comments:"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will know peace." - Jimi Hendrix
June 8, 2009 16:51:03 (GMT Time)



Name:Ted T.
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Comments:Yeah, it does....and so would me having read the article first and not going to wikipedia instead or relying on Marc's description "chosen by the Dalai Lama to be the NEXT Dalai Lama"
June 5, 2009 03:13:14 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Ted, Osel is a Lama, and a Guru, not the DALAI Lama, which is the top Lama. Any Lama is found only after the person dies and "reincarnates". Hope that helps.
June 4, 2009 05:44:37 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Buddha Hendrix and Jimi Buddha, you might have it right Rich.
June 4, 2009 05:02:57 (GMT Time)



Name:Ted T.
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Comments:Little confused (but then I only read the Wikipedia entry). But 1) if the Dalai Lama is so wise, why would he pick a kid who would reject the mantle 2) I thought the monks started the search for where the Dalai Lama's soul went after he died? sometimes consulting a lake, sometimes following the crematorial smoke, sometimes this can take 2-3 years (or more) 3) you can pick where your soul's going after you die? oohhh baby have I got some ideas. 4) and if I can't be Pope..........
June 4, 2009 01:15:14 (GMT Time)



Name:Rich Sickler
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Comments:Supposing reincarnation a real. It's possible Jimi Hendrix was buddha
June 3, 2009 22:17:16 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Sounds like Osel came to the light and found out how clergy robs ones life of what it has to offer. After all I would rather listen to Jimi Hendrix than then lessen to Buddha. any day. I an glad he found his freedom and has cut the binds that religion had put on him. Any one who sacrifices the life they are in to become better in a life that they don't even know exists is a fool. My congratulations goes out to him and his baggy pants, long hair and love of being with a woman.
June 3, 2009 21:56:29 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Moving to Costa Rica is change indeed! As for the prostate problem, I've had an enlarged one for what seems like all my life - with elevated PSA levels too! Johns Hopkins Health Alerts online are very helpful.
June 3, 2009 15:29:52 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Another example of change coming from within not to mention free will in this lifetime.
June 2, 2009 19:44:58 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Speaking of Buddhist monks and ripoffs, check it out: The boy who, as a toddler, was designated by the Dalai Lama to be the NEXT Dalai Lama, is now a young man who wants to chuck it all and have a normal life instead. From the article: Instead of leading a monastic life, Osel Hita Torres now sports baggy trousers and long hair, and is more likely to quote Jimi Hendrix than Buddha. Yesterday he bemoaned the misery of a youth deprived of television, football and girls. . . . "They took me away from my family and stuck me in a medieval situation in which I suffered a great deal," said Torres, 24, describing how he was whisked from obscurity in Granada to a monastery in southern India. . . . In 1986, at 14 months, his parents [had taken] him to see the Dalai Lama in Dharamsala, India. The toddler was chosen out of nine other candidates and eventually "enthroned".
June 2, 2009 18:47:32 (GMT Time)



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Comments:That Buddhist monk got ripped off. Thanks for the good wishes and the good humor.
June 1, 2009 12:18:53 (GMT Time)



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Comments:The Buddhist monk ordered a hot dog at the street cart. He said, "Make me one with everything." He paid with a $20. The vendor gave him nothing back. The Buddhist said, "Where is my change?" The vendor replied, "Change comes from within."
May 31, 2009 05:40:45 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Healing thoughts to you, Joe. If it comes to it, please check out the cryo program at the CU medical center in Denver. The latest technology holds lots of promise. It saved the life and function of my father.
May 31, 2009 05:38:10 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Gandhi would suggest your tire "be the change it desires"
May 30, 2009 23:34:21 (GMT Time)



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Comments:I have change in my pocket. I hope for the best for you Joe.
May 30, 2009 17:14:35 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Joe, sending you healing thoughts and best wishes. Hope you and the family have a magical time in CR.
May 29, 2009 20:34:34 (GMT Time)



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Comments:joe- sending you healthy strong prostate wishes...i am envious of your move to cr-my husband and i honeymooned in cosata rica, and loved it. my family and i cant quite figure out how to leave the rat race, in part b/c we are so attached to the toys that come with being a rat. i think adopting a child is a wonderful thing. my sister has a soon to be 2 year old son from ethiopia, she recently sent me the book "there is no me without you" about a women who dedicated her life to caring for ethiopian aids orphans- it is a heartbreaking book. i am disappointed about gitmo, and torture photos, and upholding prop 8, and the fact that WE ARE STILL AT WAR(S), and somehow, at the same time, life is beautiful in so many ways-peace and amethysts to everyone- nancy
May 29, 2009 16:45:26 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Would one of you guys come over and change the tire on my car? The process at AAA is a bit slow.
May 29, 2009 12:22:03 (GMT Time)



Name:Ted T.
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Comments:Change comes from within
May 29, 2009 04:54:46 (GMT Time)



Name:Rich Sickler
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Comments:Got any spare change?
May 29, 2009 04:30:18 (GMT Time)



Name:Ted T.
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Comments:That's funny, on the March it was process was the constant and change was the result.
May 29, 2009 01:00:11 (GMT Time)



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Comments:A moment of transition has arrived. Alexander has finished his first year of high school and will be driving in a few days. Natasha has finished her last year of elementary school. Lori and I are done being able to produce our own children and are thinking about adopting a child. We are leaving for Costa Rica for the next school year on July 27. My doctor found a spot on my prostate and has scheduled a colonoscopy to determine the nature and danger of that spot to my health. It is springtime in the mountains with the aspen leaves sprouting, the flowers blooming, the rivers running and the sun shining. Change is the constant and process is the result.
May 28, 2009 16:31:32 (GMT Time)



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Comments:There is a GPM Facebook? (Not that I have ever done that. Why it seems like only yesterday I learned how to email.) The mini reunion in Zion was fun and beautiful! I still think the 25th might be great at Zion once everyone got there. (One hour drive from Vegas.) No bugs (I like bugs, just not attached to my body.) Great mornings and evenings. Biking opts from gnarley to nice. Lovely hikes. Rarely rains and a free shuttle that will take you anywhere inside the park as well as through town. Problems might be the hot days, (quickly solved by an air conditioned room or restaurant, a dip in the pool, water hole, or river) and an enforced curfew at 10. (But Angie and Logan have a lovely place not far from the park where they can build bonfires and stay up until...,, I would not know because I can not stay up that late.) I've been to Zion in March, April and May, and the weather can't be beat. June... gets a bit toasty. (But as a mentioned there are ways to cool ones self.)
May 24, 2009 00:49:48 (GMT Time)



Name:Andre Boutilier
Email:apsulute{at}yahoo.com
HomePage:http://uniped.org
Comments:Hi there. I'm back in L.A. you can search my name to add me on facebook. Hope all is well. Andre
May 23, 2009 10:51:01 (GMT Time)



Name:Rich Sickler
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HomePage:http://
Comments:How did the reunion go at Zion? Is there a date for the next Ca. Reunion?
May 23, 2009 03:01:43 (GMT Time)



Name:Gene
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HomePage:http://
Comments:Thanks, Anonymous! But I guess I should apologize to Marc, not him to me. It seems I have blown him out of the water. I’m sorry. I didn’t mean to make Marc speechless – I didn’t know I could! Has anyone seen Marc like this before? Marc, please come back. You know you are one of my favorite people on the GPM. I fell in love with you in Barstow when you sang “Garbage.” And all the other times you sang: I have it all on tape. I still remember the chess games we played on the March – yes, making our moves while walking. (You always won.) I’ll never forget the time you visited me at Harbin Hot Springs, carrying armfuls of Shakespeare volumes for me. I have the fondest memories of you. But how is it that with all your Buddhist love and compassion you get so confrontational on this page? What you did with James was surprising – shocking! Well, we all have contradictions in our characters. Perhaps you should sign future posts as Dr. Jekyll or as Mr. Hyde.
May 22, 2009 21:27:00 (GMT Time)



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Comments:seems as tho the wordsmith is at a loss when it comes to apologies
May 21, 2009 12:49:11 (GMT Time)



Name:Gene
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Comments:Marc, when others communicate something significant and do it far better than I could hope to express it, I simply let them speak for me. And if ever you were to say something with which I could wholeheartedly agree (as if that will ever be!), I would be content to let you speak for me. But you don’t seem to understand that when I act as “the quotation guy” I am passing on to people the best of what is said on various subjects. I want our friends to see and read the specialists. Naturally, in passing along selected articles, I am associating myself with the opinions I choose: that’s how I feel too! I don’t really have an original opinion on the torture photos. And I’m sure as hell not the wordsmith you are. But I think you do know that I have, over the years, expressed myself IN MY OWN WORDS on subjects as diverse as atheism, communism, vegetarianism, peace, politics, chess, and Shakespeare. What else do you want of me?
May 15, 2009 05:24:06 (GMT Time)



Name:Marc
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Comments:I'm okay with a president who changes his mind. I change my mind too. According to the NY Times: "Mr. Obama on Wednesday reversed his earlier position on the photos after commanders and [Secretary of Defense] Gates himself warned that the images could set off a deadly backlash against American troops." I think that is good reason enough, but I also personally think there is something pornographic, in the most disturbing sense of the word, about photos of abuse and torture. I believe such images are a kind of psychic poison in our midst. Just the few that came out from Abu Ghraib have haunted our collective imagination for years, I believe. From a public mental health standpoint, I don't think it's good for the country (including children) to view such images. Nor do I think it's necessary. I think having released the memos is enough. We need to know what our government has done, and now we do know. By the way, Gene, do you have any words of your own, or are you just the quotation guy?
May 14, 2009 17:48:32 (GMT Time)



Name:Gene
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HomePage:http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/05/14
Comments:On Google News links to 1953 articles about Obama’s reversal. On AlterNet a good article entitled “Obama Makes a Terrible Mistake by Not Releasing Torture Photos.” Other articles all over the Internet: “Obama Trades Our Principles for Cheneyism,” “Obama Joins the Cover-Up.” Here’s a great one I like (link above): “For all of you defend-Obama-at-all-cost cheerleaders I have this question: if you actually want to argue that concealing these photographs is the right thing to do, then you must have been criticizing Obama when, two weeks ago, he announced that he would release them. Otherwise, it's pretty clear that you don't have any actual beliefs other than: ‘I support what Obama does because it's Obama who does it.’ So for those arguing today that concealing these photographs is the right thing to do: were you criticizing Obama two weeks ago for announcing he would release these photographs?”
May 14, 2009 16:19:01 (GMT Time)



Name:Marc
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HomePage:http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124225891527617397.html
Comments:So the war is over! The war on drugs, that is. I think that should make some people on this page happy. BTW, on another subject, does anyone have an opinion regarding Obama's decision not to release the torture photos? I just want to say--I think it's a good decision, for all kinds of reasons.
May 14, 2009 08:51:20 (GMT Time)



Name:marc
Email:
HomePage:http://worldchanging.com/
Comments:wonderful sustainability website
May 8, 2009 07:40:25 (GMT Time)



Name:James
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Comments:Thanks Gene for all the Pete Seeger info. Truly wish I could have been there... On the "negative" column Hillary and Obama can both shove their apologies for the Afghan civilians murdered right up their hypocritical asses. Why do we continue to allow our politicians to pretend they don't know what war does? The only honest apology is to end the bloodshed. Sorry folks, I'm really angry.
May 6, 2009 17:14:09 (GMT Time)



Name:Gene
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HomePage:http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/05/06-2
Comments:Still another article on Common Dreams about Pete, this one by Amy Goodman. There were 18,000 people at his party!
May 6, 2009 15:30:06 (GMT Time)



Name:Gene
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HomePage:http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/05/04-5
Comments:Another important article on Common Dreams about Pete Seeger (link above). It lists the singers present at the big birthday party (more than 15,000 people) at Madison Square Garden: Bruce Springsteen, Dave Matthews, Emmylou Harris, Kris Kristofferson, Joan Baez, Tom Paxton, Richie Havens, Billy Bragg, Rufus Wainwright, Bela Fleck, Taj Mahal, Bruce Cockburn, Roger McGuinn, Bernice Reagon, Ben Harper, Steve Earle, Del McCoury, Ramblin’ Jack Elliott, Dar Williams, Kate and Anna McGarrigle, Tom Morello, Tony Trischka, Ani DiFranco, the Preservation Hall Jazz Band, and John Mellencamp.
May 4, 2009 16:55:15 (GMT Time)



Name:Barbara
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Comments:Dominic, Welcome back. I remember you and Marlys. It is good to know that our shared experience has been an inspiration to you. I have often wondered some things about the teenagers on the march. Assuming you went back to traditional school, was is hard to go back to a routine life and a classroom? Did you have any issues with school authority or did you get involved in leadership? What were your views/opinions about rules and boundaries? Did the rules irritate you any more than other teens around you?
May 4, 2009 05:08:58 (GMT Time)



Name:Gene
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HomePage:http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/05/03-0
Comments:Today (May 3rd) is Pete Seeger's 90th birthday! There will be a big bash at Madison Square Garden in New York with Bruce Springsteen and many others. There is a good article about Pete on Common Dreams (link above). I submitted a comment about the GPM as follows: "Never mentioned in all the tributes to Pete Seeger are two fantastic appearances totally unknown to most everyone but cherished forever by we few, we happy few. On the Great Peace March across the United States in 1986 Pete joined us twice: once in the mud of Red Rocks, Colorado where all through a rainy night - in a huge tent - he led us in song. Again in Lake Anita, Iowa where he magically appeared – singing with banjo - from behind the porta-pottie backdrop to our own production of “Twelfth Night.” Shakespeare and Seeger! Two of the greatest ever."
May 3, 2009 18:16:14 (GMT Time)



Name:Dominic Njoes (Marlys Njoes)
Email:balddom{at}yahoo.com
HomePage:http://
Comments:Its been a long time since the March. But it was the most inspiring experience of my life. Although I was young (fourteen), The people, places, and of course, the Marching changed my perspective of the world and all that thrive on it. P.S., Marlys is still alive a kicking!!!
May 3, 2009 17:11:21 (GMT Time)



Name:Tall Bicycle Frank
Email:ellaydayz{at}springtime.sun
HomePage:http://
Comments:and keep right on yacking. I too am a fan of Obama. And I consider GBush2 as something of a miracle, looking back. Even if we made all of our decisions based on a blind monkey throwing darts over his shoulder, the monkey would not be wrong about every single decision for eight solid years. GBush2 left a situation where Obama will be fighting a crisis a week. I am deeply thankful that we have a President--an elected President, what a concept!--who is so intelligent and shows such a grasp of the broad sweep of history and of the present moment. It is no accident that he is our leftmost President. (I almost wrote Persistent!) He was not elected because he is of African family, nor in spite of it, but because he is a smooth-talking debonair man and not a hotheaded blunderer. I still think McCain was starting to build momentum when the financial crisis, or bank robbery in reverse, took place. If that had broken six months later the Repugnicans might have stolen yet another. Then what? paix
May 3, 2009 04:15:32 (GMT Time)



Name:Tall Bicycle Frank
Email:ellaydayz{at}springtime.sun
HomePage:http://
Comments:A belated welcome to May. Here in Ellay, so many days are like May days in most of America. Cool cloudy nights and cool sunny breezy days. It might even rain, but it does not really want to. REALLY White people are an invasive species. We should all go back to Europe. Everyone can go back where they came from, in seniority order of course, and in 11,000 years the last people can cross back over the Bering Strait and give the whole continent back to Nature. Of couse, that oldest group treated the continent like a sacred place to be preserved and dwelt in forever, not like some groups like mine that grab what they can, shit a place over and move on. As always, some exceptions or moderates. My father had great regard for the first Americans, for their outlook on life and their understanding of the land. My wife had an uncle who was so well-regarded by the Yakama that they made him an elder and took him to their sacred sites. What to do? Give BIA, ICE and BLM to the first Americans? love2u
May 3, 2009 03:43:12 (GMT Time)



Name:James
Email:
HomePage:http://ga1.org/campaign/HR265_support/bnnsgn4q76ti83w?
Comments:In the "good news" column, Obama just sent to congress a mandate to change the unfair (and racist) 100-1 sentencing disparity between crack and powder cocaine possession. You can encourage your representatives to get on board at the above link. This is legislation that could immediately help people.
April 29, 2009 21:18:29 (GMT Time)



Name:Rich Sickler
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Comments: First of all I want to say I love you Brother. What follow is just my mind attempting to function. It is said. Come on Shanawa. We alter the environment and the environment responds. It's the beauty of nature. It might make you sick but it is still natural. You can lessen the risk of course, but you can't eliminate it. I should probably study risk assesment it is fasinating. For every action there is a reaction. I find myself oscillating between optimism and pessimism. Optimistic that every thing is alright and always will be in the long run. pessimistic that things are going to get ugly in the near future. Who know maby will devolve and dogs will evolve. We will make great pets. The end. or is it?
April 29, 2009 01:10:22 (GMT Time)



Name:Shanawa
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HomePage:http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?p=2515
Comments:Hello my dear friends. I know some of you have heard of a pandemic starting and that people in Mexico have been affected by it. Please look into the link I have provide above. Get some silver and Young Living Oils called Thieves. I am not doing to make any sales or spam you I am doing this out of concern and have sent it to everyone I care for. It is said that this is a man made influenza so take care of your loved ones and keep an Eye and ear out.
April 26, 2009 03:20:59 (GMT Time)



Name:Joe
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Comments:I read the same or a very similar article in The Denver Post today that was written by an AP reporter. My kids have showed me a cool phone application that will listen to the first few bars of a song and then tell you what it is.
April 24, 2009 23:18:35 (GMT Time)



Name:Marc
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Comments:I don't believe you, Shanawa. I think you like to tell me so. Anyway, I still love him. More to be revealed on that story I guess. Still nothing about it in the New York Times. And I'm surprised I haven't received any emails about it from any civil rights groups. Maybe they're coming.
April 24, 2009 19:39:10 (GMT Time)



Name:Shanawa
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Comments:Hate to tell you I told you so but too much hope has been put into this man.
April 24, 2009 18:33:22 (GMT Time)



Name:Marc
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HomePage:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/23/obama-legal-team-wants-de_n_190852.html
Comments:Disturbing article above but so far I can't find anything about this anywhere other Huffington Post.
April 24, 2009 07:17:28 (GMT Time)



Name:Marc
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Comments:Does everyone on this page know about two amazing music web sites, pandora.com and imeem.com? On pandora, you can create music "stations" based on your favorite recording artists--even very obscure artists. Then Pandora plays you songs from that artist mixed in with songs from other artists that are somewhat similar. I discovered a couple of bands I really love from listening to Pandora. Then on imeem.com, you can actually type in the song you want to hear, or artist you want to hear, and imeem presents you with a list you can choose from, just like a jukebox! It plays you the selection you choose, and then it proceeds (if you let it), like Pandora, to play "similar" music. Or you can go back and ask for another selection! So whenever someone tells me of an artist I need to hear, I check them out on one or both of those web sites.
April 24, 2009 05:06:22 (GMT Time)



Name:Joe
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Comments:I have not listened to her, though I knew of her from Darryl. I am going to have to get some of her work.
April 23, 2009 20:47:35 (GMT Time)



Name:James
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Comments:Joe, Eliza does that for me too. Her song Coast is my all time favorite break up song, I still cry every time I hear it. Marchers Schaefer and Tomas see her every time she comes to Santa Cruz and they always get a picture with her holding a sign that reads "We Love You Piper", Piper being my Santa Cruz name. I have a series of them.
April 23, 2009 18:53:49 (GMT Time)



Name:Marc
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Comments:Thanks for trying, Joe. I think you're on MT, right? If so, you missed it by half an hour. I'm on 3 to 5 your time. Oh well! At least now you can still appreciate Radio Paradise because you won't have my show to compare it to, so you'll still think it's good.
April 23, 2009 05:14:12 (GMT Time)



Name:Joe
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HomePage:http://
Comments:Marc, I just turned on your radio show after getting home with the kids. It is 5:30 here and it is not your show. How long is your show? Did I miss it?
April 22, 2009 23:31:25 (GMT Time)



Name:Cybele
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HomePage:http://
Comments:Happy Earth Day!
April 22, 2009 12:57:51 (GMT Time)



Name:Marc
Email:tomorrow at 2 p.m. PT, 5 P.M. ET; don't miss it!
HomePage:http://kows.fm
Comments:Erica and her husband Barry have been huge Radio Paradise fans for years. I've heard it occasionally at their optometry office in Sebastopol. Once in a while, if Barry's alone in the office doing paper work, and a particularly cool song comes on, he calls me up and--usually getting my message machine--he holds the phone up to the computer speakers. Most of the songs he does that with, I have on vinyl. Yeah, it's a fun station. But my show is better, you'll see. Thanks Joe. Love you too. And happy birthday by the way. Today's your birthday, isn't it? Or close to it, I think.
April 21, 2009 17:14:49 (GMT Time)



Name:Joe
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Comments:Marc, I accept your invitation/challenge to listen to your show, but I do love Radio Paradise. Have you listened to it?
April 21, 2009 14:53:36 (GMT Time)



Name:Marc
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HomePage:http://kows.fm
Comments:Bah! Radio Paradise! Catch my Earth Day show tomorrow, 2 to 4 p.m. PT; 5 to 7 ET, at the above URL. Lots of songs you'll know, and some you won't. All on the Earth Day theme.
April 21, 2009 12:10:52 (GMT Time)



Name:Joe
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Comments:While I work I have been listening to an all-music internet radio station called Radio Paradise that I have really been enjoying. They play great music. Today they played a song written by World Party called 'Is it like today?' that was sung by Eliza Gilkyson. Her rendition made me weep. The last song that made me weep like this was a 10th century chant by Hildegard Von Bingen sung acapella by Anonymous 4. I wonder if it had anything to do with today being the 10th anniversary of the Columbine massacre. Some types of sadness and grief never go away.
April 21, 2009 01:34:08 (GMT Time)



Name:Ted T.
Email:tdthomas16{at}aol.com
HomePage:http://
Comments:Bureau of Livestock and Mining. I just got back (4:30 this morning) from the Western Shoshone Spring Gathering and this is an issue I've been connected to since 1992, when the BLM first started to attack the Dann sisters over their refusal to pay grazing fees on THEIR OWN LAND!. A lot of this is driven by mining companies that want access to the water and land rights, and wild horse advocates who are often fronts for slaughterhouses...saying that the wild horses must be "managed" which is code for rounded up, trucked away, and sold for meat. Meanwhile gold companies like Barrick and others destroy the land with cyanide contaminated leach pits and runoff (I've got a whole lot of pictures if a blungeoning is in order), and mountaintop removal practices, that make cattle and sheep pale in comparison. I've lived on the land in Nevada run by Shoshone ranchers and the land and their horses are fine...it's the mining companies and BLM selloffs that are the threat.
April 20, 2009 18:22:34 (GMT Time)



Name:Barbara
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Comments:The grazing of sheep and cattle definately play a big part in the BLM policies regarding wild horses. The cattle and sheep are also more destructive. I would love it if all the grazing rights were revoked in order to preserve more habitat for the horses.
April 19, 2009 01:24:15 (GMT Time)



Name:Shanawa
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Comments:The BlM makes it's excuses and gives reasons to kill off these beautiful animals to sell grazing rights to ranchers so they make money. Cows do more damage to the environment then horses ever did. Giving grazing rights to ranchers brings on the need to kill off wolfs and cats so that the ranchers don't lose property and the BLM can make more money. This is not management it's greed and disgust.
April 18, 2009 15:54:28 (GMT Time)



Name:Shanawa
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Comments:Wild Horses and borrows need no management, unless its to give park rangers and employees of the BLM employment. They have been here before the English speaking white man came to where they roam. What is it about this society that thinks that the wild has to be managed by humans? The wild dose fine with out intervention or excuses to intervene. The white man is an invasive species too, should we round all of them up and sell them to be slaughtered so people in third world countries can have something to eat? I have been following this since I was a child also and none of the arguments from pro controllers of nature hold water. The mustang was introduced to the north American continent in the 1500 long before these controllers were here to control anything. Stop rounding them up then we don't need to feed them bails of hay. Nature has served them well in the past. Eliminate vet bills and shoers by reintroducing wolfs and cats that eat the unhealthy horses. Let nature control nature.
April 18, 2009 15:40:03 (GMT Time)



Name:Bill O
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Comments:Hi, Barbara -- Is there a date yet for this year's California reunion? I have some frequent flyer miles that will expire soon, so I was wondering if the timing would work. I could definitely use a Peace City fix. Coming from the East Cast would I fly into LA or is there someplace closer?
April 18, 2009 13:56:04 (GMT Time)



Name:Marc
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HomePage:http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/18/science/earth/18endanger.html
Comments:Really hopeful news today about the EPA ruling!!! Can anyone argue at this moment that it makes little difference to have a Democrat in office? (I don't mean that sarcastically. I honestly feel gratitude, respect, and affection for my skeptical brothers Joe, James, Shanawa, and anyone else I may occasionally annoy with my starry-eyed moderate/mainstream liberal Obama-loving posts.) But oy, the Republicans are SUCH dipshits! From the Times article today: Senator Christopher S. Bond, Republican of Missouri, said the agency's regulation of heat-trapping gases would be expensive and cumbersome. "The Obama administration’s actions today," Mr. Bond said, "will do more to endanger families, farmers and workers with new energy taxes and lost jobs than it does to protect the environment." (Jeez, what a dickhead.)
April 18, 2009 06:52:34 (GMT Time)



Name:Marc
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Comments:thanks Bryan, that's an interesting point
April 18, 2009 05:08:36 (GMT Time)



Name:Bryan
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HomePage:http://morepeacecorps.org
Comments:In regards as how to influence other countries to promote democracy, I support sending more Peace Corps volunteers. There is a bill in congress now that proposes to double the Peace Corps budget, and it is gaining momentum.
April 17, 2009 19:49:12 (GMT Time)



Name:Barbara
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HomePage:http://
Comments:Here is an interesting site http://www.madeleinepickens.com/ Madeline Pickens, married to T.Boone Pickens, is trying to develop a massive wild horse sanctuary and resort. She is a bit extreme for me but she is really doing a lot for the horses. She has the money to do it.
April 17, 2009 14:56:36 (GMT Time)



Name:Barbara
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HomePage:http://
Comments:The wild horses and burros do need "management" or they will overpopulate and destroy the environment in which they are now an invasive species. I have followed the situation since I was a kid. At the time I wrote my first letter of protest when the BLM used to rope them and put tires on the end of the ropes to slow them down during roundups. I still have the news article about that. The BLM has a big problem now. Their adoption program is based on a market of adoptees. With the economy the way it is fewer people are adopting horses and burros. Even people with domestically bred horses are resorting to killing them because they can't afford to feed them and there just isn't a market to sellthem. When a bale of hay is 15.00 - 20.00 and a horse eats one a week it gets expensive. Vets cost more, shoers cost more, Trailering anywhere is insane. Now if BLM used the horses to feed the growing hungry and homeless that would be a better then just slaughtering them.
April 17, 2009 14:45:19 (GMT Time)



Name:Joe
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Comments:One thing that I believe that the USA needs to do to promote democracy in other countries is to repair our own democracy and uphold our own constitution and laws, all of which are in a very sad and abused state. The rest of the world is quite aware of how far we have fallen from our ideals and how hypocritical we are in preaching democracy and rule of law to others while we do not practice it ourselves. As to engagement with other countries, we should engage on the people to people level in all spheres of activity and give up imperial military intervention. On the other subject, I love wild horses and burros and see them as a symbol of the US west that should be cherished.
April 17, 2009 13:18:18 (GMT Time)



Name:Shanawa
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Comments:Also see www.movingcloud.com
April 17, 2009 04:50:13 (GMT Time)



Name:Shanawa
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Comments:This is a short film that both educates and moves audiences to take immediate action to save America's Wild Horses. A must see film for people of conscience. For more information please visit wildhorsepreservation.com. The American Wild Horse Preservation campaign is dedicated to preserving the American wild horse in viable free-roaming herds for generations to come.
April 17, 2009 04:48:20 (GMT Time)



Name:Shanawa
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Comments: “WILD HORSE PRESERVATION” Last November, without a hearing or an opportunity for public review, Senator Conrad Burns from Montana slipped a rider into the 2005 federal Appropriations Bill. "The Burns Bill" essentially legislates the slaughter of wild horses and burros, America’s national treasures Congress deemed, "Living symbols of the historic and pioneer spirit of the West…who enrich the lives of the American people and that these horses and burros are fast disappearing from the American scene.” The “Burns Bill” was signed by President Bush and passed into law on December 8th, 2004. Enlightening the historical perspective offered by Viggo Mortensen, filmmaker James Kleinert provides stunning footage of these animals in the wild, followed by footage of the Bureau of Land Management rounding up wild horses as part of their current systematic removal policy.
April 17, 2009 04:47:05 (GMT Time)



Name:Marc
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Comments:Distinguishing Taliban from Al Queda, Ted, the Taliban never directly bothered us and (as far as I know) they never tried to extend their dominion beyond Afghanistan's borders. What they did (apart from being wicked and terrifyingly violent to their own citizenry) was countenance the presence of Bin Laden and his camps. So then, is it that the "moderate" Talibee might cooperate now in helping us hunt down Al Queda? Or maybe they're open to some sort of unity government with Karzai's people? As I said earlier, I don't get it. I REALLY DON'T KNOW what our mission is in Afghanistan. As for influencing other countries to be less barbaric, I don't know the answer to that one either but I'm certain that force is not the way. Cultural exchange, maybe? Economic sanctions? Worldwide boycotts? Collective international browbeating? U.N. resolutions? (Hard to think out of the box, isn't it?)
April 17, 2009 03:19:33 (GMT Time)



Name:James
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HomePage:http://
Comments:So the question for me is, how do we positively affect countries with oppressive governments (Afghanistan for example, with or without the Taliban) without military intervention. Encouraging true democracies in which candidates can freely run against, for example, Afghanistan's "legal rape" law and women can freely vote for them, can move a country toward progress but at present all the US does to this end is bribe with aid on one hand and threaten with military on the other. I believe there must be other positive ways to organize around these issues but am unable to think far enough outside the box to come up with them.
April 16, 2009 22:09:47 (GMT Time)



Name:Ted T.
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HomePage:http://
Comments:Marc, like moderate Nazis, the moderate Taliban (Talibi?, Talibee?) are the ones who would be happy mucking up their own people/country without the expansionist crap. They'd have their little Islamic Law countries and leave the Great Satan be. And does anyone else realize that whatever their beliefs, fundamentalist never are actually any fun?
April 16, 2009 21:31:23 (GMT Time)



Name:Marc
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Comments:I would guess that the concrete figures were not in yet at the time the NYT article was written. You're welcome, James, and thank you back for graciously accepting an overdue apology.
April 16, 2009 01:35:16 (GMT Time)



Name:James
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Comments:Thanks Marc. My original opinion was based on editorials I heard on Pacifica and could just as easily have been erroneous. We all use proxies for our news and I tend to trust the lefty peaceniks (despite biases and bending facts) over the hidden biases of mainstream media. Maybe its because I believe they have our best interests in mind, or their biases are so naked that they are easier for me to sift. My frustration with the NYT article was that there was so much listing of increases and decreases, different sides saying the cuts were too much or too little, with no concrete comparative figures for us to decide for ourselves. Either it was bad reportage, the numbers were not really in yet, or the NYT had some reason to be giving traction to the Republican's "Obama is threatening the safety of America" rant, if only to sell more papers. ...And again, thanks.
April 16, 2009 01:10:52 (GMT Time)



Name:Marc
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Comments:I confess I don't really understand our mission in Afghanistan. And in discussing defense spending and American militarism today, I think Afghanistan may be the most salient topic. Are we there to hunt down Al Queda operatives? If so, wouldn't that be more like an "intelligence mission" rather than a full blown war? Must we also engage in nation building in order to do this? I read about a month ago that the Obama administration is now trying to engage with "moderate" elements of the Taliban. That's like talking to moderate Nazis. And speaking of moderates, Hamid Karzai, our man in Kabul, said a week or two ago that at first blush he saw no problem with the new Afghan law that makes it legal for a husband to rape his wife every four days or so. This is the head of the government we want to "stabilize"? As I've said before, I'm a fan of Obama. Largely, I trust his wisdom and judgment. But on this particular issue, I am confused. Does anybody have another angle on this?
April 16, 2009 01:07:41 (GMT Time)



Name:Marc
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Comments:Multiple sources report the same figure: the DoD budget is indeed increasing $21 billion or so. So I concede the point; James was correct. James, I apologize for calling you a blowhard. Name calling is never a good idea, and I feel especially foolish since you were right and I was wrong. I wouldn't blame the NYT though; what I inferred was not actually stated in the article (as you correctly pointed out). Also, it wasn't just the Times that shaped my false impression. Senator Inhofe and others condemned the Obama defense budget for slashing weapons systems and contracts, saying it leaves us "defenseless" going into the future. What the new budget does is place more emphasis on counter-terrorism, intelligence gathering equipment, growing the number of those enlisted in the military, and increasing military benefits. I'm all for that last element; I think what soldiers have been paid up until now is a sin. They get lauded as heroes and paid like slaves. But about Afghanistan . . .
April 16, 2009 00:53:53 (GMT Time)



Name:James
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Comments:According to Voters for Peace at the below linked site "Obama's DoD budget is $534 billion, compared to Bush's $513 billion budget. On top of all this he is preparing to ask Congress for more war funding for Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan - an additional $75.5 billion for the remainder of 2009 is expected" but that doesn't really answer your question. I have yet to see an exhaustive break down of the proposed budget compared with past budgets and including proposed spending for the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. Voters for Peace certainly has an agenda (pesky peaceniks) but then so does the NYT: they just don't state it.
April 15, 2009 23:14:20 (GMT Time)



Name:Coleen Ashly
Email:coleenashly{at}sbcglobal.net
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Comments:James, is Obama really raising the DoJ budget or did he just, honestly, include the full costs of the Iraq and Afghan wars? These are two items that Bush deleted from previous budgets in an attempt to hide the fiscal costs of the wars to our country.
April 15, 2009 22:29:01 (GMT Time)



Name:James
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Comments:Koolaid?! Wow, I'm damned if I criticise the man and damned if I praise him. Ya can't please everybody and sometimes you can't please anybody. Thanks for knocking me out of the target spot except that now...
April 15, 2009 15:40:06 (GMT Time)



Name:Naneki
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Comments:So I posted something to James last night on the friends page and this morning it is gone. Isn't that a bit odd? I also noticed that nobody had posted anything in five days. Is this James' way of having the last and final word? What is up with that?
April 15, 2009 14:38:54 (GMT Time)



Name:Naneki
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Comments:James, did ya drink the koolaid or what!?
April 15, 2009 04:26:13 (GMT Time)



Name:James
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HomePage:http://votersforpeace.us/press/index.php?itemid=1306
Comments:That said, go to the above page to tell Obama not to increase the DoD military budget $21 billion over Bush's budget as he has proposed. He may just listen!
April 10, 2009 17:16:22 (GMT Time)



Name:James
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Comments:Ted, what up? In the many areas that I agree with Obama's stated goals, appointments and actions he has my complete support and as much time as he needs. I was ecstatic yesterday to see that the CIA was closing their secret torture centers. I'm supportive of Obama's stand on torture, closing guantanamo, his goals and appointments for the environment and to stop global warming. He' got a hard road ahead on some of those goals and I support him completely and I should have stated that clearly earlier in this conversation. BUT if his stated goals, appointments and actions (on the economy and military) are things I vehemently disagree with from the start, why wait to dissent? If anything, the fact that I think he is a courageous enough person to say "I was wrong, lets change course" (SO refreshing after "god told me to do it so my actions are infallible") makes me want to dissent early, loudly and often. BECAUSE I ACTUALLY THINK HE MAY LISTEN! WHAT A HOPEFUL CONCEPT!!!
April 10, 2009 17:09:05 (GMT Time)



Name:Marc
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Comments:Why so pessimistic, Ted? I'm counting on 7 and 3/4 more years of President Obama. Joe, there is also the issue of advisors. Even a good president with the best of intentions can't have enough info at his fingertips to make well informed decisions about every single thing, and is therefore limited by the wisdom and vision, such as it may be, of his advisors. (I'm using the male pronoun, btw, because so far it's been only guys. Hillary may get her shot in 2016.)
April 10, 2009 06:26:48 (GMT Time)



Name:Ted T.
Email:tdthomas16{at}aol.com
HomePage:http://
Comments:Geez, we're how many days into this administration?. Give the man a chance!, at least try to believe before you start bagging on him, he's got 3 3/4 years left to go...
April 10, 2009 01:31:28 (GMT Time)



Name:Joe
Email:I am a supporter, but...........
HomePage:http://
Comments:The more that I think about it, the question of how the Obama administration is doing seems almost too complicated to answer. I am grappling with differentiating between his intentions and his actual policies and the entrenched corruption of the very system itself, such as the Wall Street lobby, the military/industrial lobby, the Israel lobby, etc., and of course The Republicans and The Democrats. These are vested political interests that are narrow and in many cases detrimental to the majority of the US population. In reality how much good can a good president do? How much power does a well-intentioned and intelligent president have? I feel that generally Obama is right on and I love his words, but I am concerned that he is actually getting very little done that is significantly different from the Bush regime in most areas of real federal policy. Of course there are exceptions, but I am rather skeptical of how things are going if measured against a truly progressive agenda.
April 9, 2009 19:12:46 (GMT Time)



Name:Marc
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HomePage:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/08/obama-global-warming-plan_n_184657.html
Comments:Obama's people get it about global warming. What a contrast from Bush!! Again, regarding Joe's general question, the whole bank bailout thing is way over my head, although it certainly doesn't feel right ethically. Whether it's necessary logistically, I have no idea. I was worried to see that Paul Krugman was so critical of the administration's approach, and now even more concerned that George Soros thinks it is the wrong idea. Soros is a pretty shrewd guy when it comes to money, as shrewd as they come.
April 9, 2009 13:12:38 (GMT Time)



Name:Barbara
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Comments:I am watching a documentary, An Act of Conscience. It is about war tax protestors in the early 1990's. In a group scene who did I see but Ben Zeman. I keep watching for other marchers. It has been great to explain to my kids new vocabulary words like "affinity group" and "jail solidarity".
April 9, 2009 04:44:58 (GMT Time)



Name:Naneki
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Comments:who cares about Obama, let's get to the real stuff...James, why are you blowing Marc as usual? Does the hot air refer to something kinky with a hair dryer? Guess if you don't look at this website everyday, you miss out on all the good stuff!
April 9, 2009 04:25:57 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Talking politics again. I won't mention names but I remember someone on here saying "your politics are yours." I won't be shy here, I'll just say that Obama was elected because he was black. Now I am pleased that a change has happened but I feel that it is still some kind of prejudice. Voting for someone because they are black is the same as not voting for someone because they are black. I heard this a lot from people saying that voted for him because he was black. I know the man has intelligence but a politician is just that, a target for special interest from the left and right, to manipulate. I am sure that the military industrial complex is happy he is staying in Afghanistan at the same time he is trying to sweeten the cup of the antiwar people by pulling out of Iraq.
April 8, 2009 14:29:53 (GMT Time)



Name:Marc
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Comments:I am dubious and apprehensive about Obama's Afghanistan policy. But to be fair, he is doing precisely what he said he would do, as a candidate. (There was no "doublespeak" involved.) I am very grateful for what Obama is trying to do domestically, and the priorities he set forth in his budget, which is a radical departure from the last eight years. In particular, I think he is way ahead of the center of gravity in this country on energy policy. I'm sad that Congress stripped the cap-and-trade carbon emissions reductions from Obama's budget. On matters that concern saving the planet, our president is very progressive. I'm not very hopeful he'll get his ambitious energy agenda through Congress any time soon. But I think he has the exact right idea--both for the engine of our economy going into the future, and the survival of our species. Count me as a fan.
April 7, 2009 20:28:15 (GMT Time)



Name:James
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Comments:Getting back to Joe's original question, I'd like to say that I am very relieved and pleased with the tone that Obama is setting in the white house. Intelligence, thoughtfulness and civility is a breath of fresh air after 8 years of dumb ass machismo. I think this is especially important in international relations. That said, I see incongruity between what he says and what he does, nothing new for politicians. But, if George Bush had bent to public pressure and said "ok we're pulling out of Iraq in a year. Oh but we're gonna leave 50,000 troops there indefinitely and call them something else. Oh, and every soldier we pull out of Iraq we're sending to afghanistan" the peace movement would have gone wild pointing out the Orwellian double speak. Ditto to the posturing around the AIG bonuses. I'm not anti-Republican, I'm anti-war and anti-economic injustice. Anti-Republicans make themselves known by the disappearance of their critical faculties whenever a Democrat is elected
April 7, 2009 18:59:19 (GMT Time)



Name:Marc
Email:Gates takes a scalpel to the US defense budget
HomePage:http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/Gates-takes-scalpel-US-defense/story.aspx?guid={8E42785B-0FCF-
Comments:"The fiscal 2010 request is a 4% climb from last year's budget at $534 billion, making it virtually flat after adjusting for inflation. Supplemental funding, which includes money for overseas fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan, was $130 billion, down from about $136 billion in 2009. The latest budget request places more focus on increasing military personnel and benefits." Note that military benefits account for a significant portion of the new budget. I have no problem with that. All sources are questionable, but I'll go with NY Times and MarketWatch.com over antiwar.com. In any event, James, you pasted a quote from the Times article out of context to deliberately present a distorted picture of that story. And previously you posted a claim that Obama was increasing the defense budget, with no source whatsoever. Obviously you had no idea what you were talking about, as you often don't, and I'll stand by the blowhard characterization.
April 7, 2009 18:33:50 (GMT Time)



Name:James
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Comments:Thank you masked man (or woman)!
April 7, 2009 18:06:01 (GMT Time)



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Comments:Secretary of Defense Robert Gates today unveiled aspects of the new US military budget for fiscal 2010. Described as a “fundamental overhaul” of the Pentagon’s budget, it shifts spending priorities from high priced weapons programs in favor of fighting against insurgencies in its assorted wars, both current and future. Gates acknowledged that the cut of the high priced programs, many of which were behind schedule and over budget, would be “controversial.” Indeed the stocks of various military contractors dropped significantly in anticipation of the announced cuts. But though the presentation focused around the massive cuts in weapons, overall spending in the $534 billion budget (which doesn’t include the costs of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan) is actually several percent higher than the budget for 2009. For while Gates cut things like the $140 billion fighter jet program, he will dramatically increase spending on Predator drones and other weapons involved in America’s current wars.
April 7, 2009 15:26:49 (GMT Time)



Name:James
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Comments:Marc, you posted the NYT article as proof that Obama is cutting more from the defense budget than he is adding. He may well be doing so, I may have been misinformed, but no where in that article is that clearly stated let alone backed up with concrete numbers. I've avoided for some time engaging with you on issues due to your disrespectful tone ("blowing hot air as usual") but thought I'd make an exception in this instance. It was a mistake I won't repeat.
April 7, 2009 04:21:32 (GMT Time)



Name:Marc
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Comments:Also note that even those who are "skeptical" say it is hard to tell HOW MUCH the military budget is decreasing overall, not WHETHER it is being cut.
April 7, 2009 03:29:17 (GMT Time)



Name:Marc
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Comments:The budget is being cut; the question is by how much. James, are you so attached to being "right" that you have to distort? You can't admit you were just blowing hot air (as usual), posting that Obama is increasing the military budget over Bush's? More from the article, with James's quoted passage in more context: "Military experts said Mr. Gates seemed to be mounting a determined effort to rein in some of the most troubled programs after years of record military spending and start dealing with the huge cost overruns . . . . And some military analysts reacted to Mr. Gates’s promise of budget revolution with skepticism. Andrew H. Krepinevich Jr., a military expert at the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments, said that it was hard to tell how much Mr. Gates was reducing spending over all because he was increasing spending in unspecified amounts in some areas and had not put a net dollar amount on his entire proposal." Note the word "some" in the second to last sentence.
April 7, 2009 02:34:08 (GMT Time)



Name:james
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Comments:There's not a word in the NYT article about Obama cutting military spending overall. "Andrew H. Krepinevich Jr., a military expert at the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments, said that it was hard to tell how much Mr. Gates was reducing spending over all because he was increasing spending in unspecified amounts in some areas and had not put a net dollar amount on his entire proposal."
April 7, 2009 02:15:34 (GMT Time)



Name:Marc
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HomePage:http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/07/us/politics/07defense.html?_r=1&hp
Comments:The Obama administration, amidst various restructuring and re-prioritizing, is CUTTING overall defense spending, not increasing it. See above.
April 6, 2009 19:45:49 (GMT Time)



Name:james
Email:me{at}showme.com
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Comments:He's light years from Bush and better than Clinton but I'm hearing a lot of empty rhetoric. Increasing the military budget over Bush's, leaving an indefinite occupation force of 50,000 in Iraq after the "pull out", stepping up the war in Afghanistan. Hiring the same Clinton de-regulators and privatizers to run his economic policies who started this economic crisis, grandstanding on the AIG bonuses without doing a thing while B of A is giving out 10 times as much in bonuses. That show of indignation was extremely hollow and seemed just a reaction to public outrage. Much much more could have been done to help people who are losing their homes rather than just giving the money to the original gangstas and hoping it trickles down a la Reagan. I hope he's serious about the nuclear weapons. Clinton made the same noises and I was elated when he did his famous photo op blowing up a missile silo. Then he did absolutely nothing on the issue for his remaining 7 yrs.
April 6, 2009 16:33:38 (GMT Time)



Name:Joe
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Comments:While I am not totally pleased with the Obama administration, I am mostly pleased and that is more than I have experienced in a very long time. It seems to me that he certainly is doing most of the right things on nuclear weaponry. I am interested to hear what others think of him.
April 5, 2009 19:09:43 (GMT Time)



Name:Marc
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HomePage:http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090404/pl_nm/us_obama_europe
Comments:my president
April 5, 2009 05:58:11 (GMT Time)



Name:Marc
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Comments:thank you for the story, Joe. Condolences on your aunt's passing. Indeed, if peace is possible in the family then anything is possible. And in the largest sense we are all related.
April 4, 2009 02:02:44 (GMT Time)



Name:Bill O
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Comments:Joe, thanks for sharing that. It's a good lesson.
April 3, 2009 14:49:39 (GMT Time)



Name:Joe
Email:Rest in Peace Elmer and Elsie
HomePage:2 of 2
Comments:It has taken most of the last year to heal those wounds that we inflicted upon each other and most of all, upon ourselves during the aftermath of my aunt's death. The bonds of my family were severely strained, but not broken. Tears were shed, apologies were offered and accepted, forgiveness was offered and accepted, significant sacrifices were made. The shadow pain still lingers, but the strains have been repaired. We are all speaking to each other and we all say out loud that we love each other and we are all planning on getting together in Cleveland for Mother's Day, which is above all else, a day of peace. From a place of humility, hope and love, I can say to you, my sisters and brothers from The Great Peace March, that we can have peace. Peace in one's own heart, mind and body, peace in the family, peace in the community, peace in the nation, peace in the world are all achievable in this life. Rest in peace, dad and Aunt Elsie, let the mystery continue to unfold in all its glory.
April 2, 2009 20:49:53 (GMT Time)



Name:Joe
Email:Spirit Road//No Hidden Path//Peace Way
HomePage:http://
Comments:One year ago today my beloved Aunt Elsie died. She was 85 and never drove and never used a computer. She lived with her parents until they died in their 90's and then she lived alone until she died. She worked at one job at a department store in downtown Cleveland for about 50 years. She loved her garden and her various dogs over the years. She loved her family and especially her younger brother, my father(Elmer Kinczel), who died in 1992. Her love for my father caused problems with my mother. My mother(Marie) and my aunt hated each other for over 50 years, starting several years before I was born. Their enmity caused friction and division in my family for decades. The greatest difficulty that I have had with my family has been in openly proclaiming my love both for my aunt and for my mother to my aunt and my mother. My aunt's death and the will for her meager estate unleashed a hurricane of grief, anger, resentment and conflict amongst my mother and her four children including myself.
April 2, 2009 20:27:13 (GMT Time)



Name:Lori Shields
Email:lshields{at}xmission.com
HomePage:http://
Comments:Sam Kelley do not be bummed. Take heart! There is another Zion camping trip this Spring. We were few in number (6 marchers and 12 family/friends) but we had a really great time. So great in fact that we are doing it again May 1, 2 and 3. I know it is short notice but if you (any of you) are interested in camping in Zion in May with us, let Angie Frabacilio or me know and we will give you the details. (Which is basically, we have a site but the rest is up to you.) Lori can be reached at the email listed above. Angie (and Logan) can be reached at angiefrab@yahoo.com. Camping in Utah means no bugs and little if any rain. Last year there was biking hiking, playing soccer with the locals, drinking coffee on a balcony overlooking red rocks, eating pizza at the local pizza joint, and chatting or singing around the camp fire.
March 25, 2009 02:17:30 (GMT Time)



Name:Marc
Email:
HomePage:http://www.kows.fm
Comments:Happy birthday to all; peace and condolences to all; may all beings be free of suffering; may our collective heart be knit whole. Gratitude to those who keep us connected. For anybody interested, my radio show is on again tomorrow, Wednesday, from 2 to 4 PT, or 5 to 7 ET. URL is above. Thanks in advance for listening if you listen.
March 24, 2009 19:21:02 (GMT Time)



Name:Naneki
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Comments:Oh fabulous Barb, Colleen et al who have voiced your beautiful thoughts and shared sympathies to Paula and me. This has shown me the love and bond of the Peace March has no boundaries and is never ending. Thank you so much!!!!!!!!
March 23, 2009 16:26:26 (GMT Time)



Name:Sam Kelley
Email:sam{at}sylvancycles.com
HomePage:http://
Comments:Oh Man! I gotta read this thing more often. Zion in '07! Where was I? Big Love from Western Mass. More soon but y'all are ALWAYS in my thoughts and my heart! -Sam
March 23, 2009 15:45:47 (GMT Time)



Name:Barbara
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Comments:Naneki, I am very sorry to hear about Priscilla. She fought hard and had great support from all of you. My heartfelt sympathy and support for both you and Paula. I lost my best friend to breast cancer 5 years ago. I understand the injustice and sadness. I wish you both some sound sleep to begin with. Then I wish you both some spring sunshine to warm your sorrow.
March 22, 2009 21:55:07 (GMT Time)



Name:Naneki
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Comments:It is with a very heavy heart that I write that our dear friend Priscilla Inkpen life partner to Paula Zoller, died this evening at her home. Thank you all for all the love and support you have voiced here through her two years of fighting cancer. Priscilla was a champion for peace and justice. Her name is listed on the Supreme Court Case to overturn amendment 2, an anti gay measure that passed here in Colorado in 1992. She worked for peace and justice most of her life and passed peacefully in her home with Paula by her side as well as her dogs. Please send Paula light and love in this most difficult time.
March 22, 2009 05:03:49 (GMT Time)



Name:Ted T.
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Comments:Speaking as a Libertarian/Immortalist who aims to avoid death and taxes...maybe I need to define my view a little. Immortal to me simply meant not succumbing to illness or the effects of aging. Actually I'm realizing the questions associated with immortality are way more than I realized. (age of consent laws, school years, who's an elder if we all stop aging at 15?)But I have to admit I've fantasized about going back in time with the knowledge I've accumulated up to now high school would be vastly different!. Of course I also have found myself after sex missing that 19 year old back I once had. Right now I find myself wondering why I even bother dwelling on things like aging and illness when I am planning to ride to L.A. in a couple of months and hiking around Lake Tahoe next spring. And when Tia and I had gone out for about six months we joked we'd get married when we'd been together 20years, now coming up on 14 the humor is fading. Anyway, Happy Birthday to anyone that wants one.
March 21, 2009 20:53:33 (GMT Time)



Name:Joe
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Comments:A guy can't even wish his friend Happy Birthday around here! No good deed goes unpunished! Happy Birthday to everyone whenever that may be. Sorry, indeed, Naneki!
March 21, 2009 18:06:17 (GMT Time)



Name:Shanawa
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Comments:Ted T, Immortality is trumped by death, any death. As far a living forever I my self could handle it quite well, I would not have to waist my time on thinking about retiring, throw away any thoughts of a 401k and as far as what age we would stop aging may be totally up to the individual. As far as accidental death such as in a car or plain accident or even murder it is a fact that everything we think, do, have done and say is recorded electronically within our bodies. Since this is a fact it is highly probable that one could store all of these individual thoughts, actions, statements and knowledge. When one is in a accident that causes death we could bring them back after repairing there bodies. We have discussed the fact that our accumulated knowledge has caused fingers, skin, bones cartilage to grow back as well as improve eye sight. We have been able to do this in the last 50 to 100 years. 1600 years would be more then enough time to solve the problem of accidental death.
March 21, 2009 16:34:50 (GMT Time)



Name:Naneki
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Comments:Thanks Coleen for thinking I'm cool. My Birthday is March 30th. Barely made it into the March crowd. Hope all is well with everyone.
March 21, 2009 16:19:37 (GMT Time)



Name:Coleen Ashlyc
Email:coleenashly{at}sbcglobal.net
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