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where the stars come out to play!
| Name: | Cybele Connor |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http://cybeleconnor.com |
| Comments: | Howdy, Sonia contact me saying someone on this board was looking for me so here is my contact info. Facebook, cybele Connor, actually could everyone join facebook it would be easier. cybelec@gmail.com or my site cybeleconnor. Talk to you soon so looking forward to 2011. |
| September 3, 2010 18:15:27 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | John Pluntze |
| Email: | writestuffidaho{at}gmail.com |
| HomePage: | http://www.SunValleyOnline.com |
| Comments: | Hi, everyone!! John Pluntze here in Ketchum, Idaho. Hope I get a chance to correspond with at least SOME of you in the coming weeks and months -- either at WriteStuffIdaho@gmail.com or at writestuff2001@webtv.net Having a blast here in Idaho and getting lots of writing done at http://www.SunValleyOnline.com (type "Music Rules" into the SVO search engine to see what I've written lately). All the best.... :) --John Pluntze |
| August 25, 2010 14:20:47 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Laura M |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Hello, California Marchers, Diane Harris Hara has very kindly agreed to pull together a group of California folks to pick up the local reunion organizing. If you are in the LA/Santa Barbara area and can help, please let her know. She is on facebook. |
| August 23, 2010 14:06:50 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | June and I just returned from our annual trip to Ashland where this year we saw six plays. “Hamlet” is in a different dimension altogether. Never before have I seen such a phenomenal production. And “Henry IV, Part One” is also out of this world. Jonnie is very lucky to live in that great city. She has seen nine of the eleven plays so far this season including all four of the Shakespeare productions. Anyway, we camped in our tent just a tiny bit bigger than our old Peace March tents (who still has his/hers after all these years?). We camped at Wellsprings, the place where we had a tremendous GPM reunion some years back. Walking around back where we set up our Peace Village in July of 2004, I was struck with nostalgia and also caressed with a blissful thought: how glorious would be our 25th reunion if we could have it again at this very same fabulous place! Jonnie would not do the (very hard) organizing work this time around. But who is able to do it anywhere else? Well, just a wish.. |
| August 22, 2010 04:18:29 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Diane Hara |
| Email: | krazy4peace{at}aol.com |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Need local help (Los Angeles Area) to prepare for 2011 reunion, our 25th Silver Anniversary! Please email me at krazy4peace@aol.com and let me know how I can get a hold of you. Thanks ahead. Love ya, Diane |
| August 10, 2010 05:01:09 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Rod Grasmick |
| Email: | rodzylla{at}hotmail.com |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Could not sleep and randomly thought about the GPM for the first time in AGES! What sweet memories. Did I see the name of Cybele further on down? |
| August 2, 2010 05:09:35 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Laura M |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | As the 25th reunion approaches, it's time to update the Silver Thread. Whether you plan to attend the reunion or not, please send your current email address to Frank Holgrem who has very generously agreed to update our list. Here is his email address: Peacegeek@hotmail.com A BIG THANK YOU TO FRANK! THANK YOU TO SONIA COTA-ROBLES FOR COORDINATING WITH HIM! |
| July 29, 2010 19:21:18 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Laura M |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Sorry, that should read "first WEEK of August..." |
| July 23, 2010 03:55:50 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Laura M |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | I just posted an "Event" on the Great Peace March facebook for the 25th reunion. We still don't have a precise location or dates, but we're aiming at somewhere in the Los Angeles/Santa Barbara area in July or the first month of August 2011. Please go to facebook and post whether you plan to attend. Thank you kindly! |
| July 23, 2010 03:54:37 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Laura M |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Hello, Lynn, Thank you so much for your feedback. This is very helpful. Carpenteria is on the short list, but, as you say, difficult to reserve as it's very popular. Having amenities nearby is important; several people have mentioned that. And, the fact that there are motels nearby is great, too. From your suggestion, I'll take Lake Casitas off the list and keep Carpenteria as a strong possibility. Thanks, Lynn! |
| July 23, 2010 03:50:20 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Lynn S |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Hi Laura, Carpenteria has been the location of most of the California reunions over the years and is a fantastic place, but so popular that it is difficult to get the space and might be impossible to get enough room. Otherwise it is perfect with grocery stores and cafes in an easy walk and motels nearby for those of us who are not tenting any more. Lake Casitas doesn't have swimming but during the summers have a great water feature--a "river" that you can ride inner tubes down and is a lot of fun. It is near to Ojai but not walking distance from amything, so there is only the camp store and cafe at the lake for those who need them. I hope this helps! |
| July 23, 2010 01:13:28 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Laura M |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Looks like we'll be able to get ground transportation from LAX (Los Angeles International Airport) to either the Santa Barbara area or the San Bernardino/Big Bear area for about $50-60/person each way, including gratuity. It's about 2 - 2 1/2 hours each way, depending on traffic. Still don't have a campsite, but other things are falling into place. |
| July 22, 2010 08:45:53 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Laura M |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Hello, Rich, A quick question and a request... I looked at Lake Casitas (online) for a possible reunion site, but the information I found says there is no swimming allowed in the lake. Do you know if that's correct? And, the request... If you are familiar with Carpinteria State Beach, El Capitan State Beach, or Refugio State Beach, could you give me some feedback on whether these would be good sites for our 25th reunion? That would be so, so helpful to me. Thank you! Anyone else who's familiar with these sites, please chime in! |
| July 22, 2010 07:56:42 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Rich Sickler |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Any one intersted in a reunion this year? Say at Lake Casitas. Say the weekend of September 25th. one day or two? one campsite or two? |
| July 22, 2010 01:28:36 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Laura M |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Hello, CALIFORNIA GPM'ers. I'm looking for some local California marchers to form a 25th reunion affinity group (25th RAG?) to do some of the tasks I can't do from afar. The two tasks that are imminent are: 1) to make site visits to Serrano Campground, Silverwood Lake State Recreation Area, Carpinteria State Beach, and El Capitan State Beach to see which are appropriate to our needs. (Or, perhaps you are already familiar with these sites?) All of these campgrounds are with about two hours of L.A. (depending on traffic). 2) to be on hand to coordinate with Bill O'Neill to make the group reservation. The reason is that a California resident can make the reservation three months earlier than a non-resident can, and these campgrounds fill very quickly. For Serrano and Silverwood Lake we would need a Los Angeles resident, possibly more than one, to make the calls (and be able to prove residency). Anybody game? |
| July 21, 2010 05:04:40 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Laura M |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Pease join me in sending a huge thank you to Cybele Connor for volunteering to take on the meal planning for the 25th reunion. She (we) will need a crew of volunteers, so if you are interested in preparing and serving meals during the reunion, please let her know. Thank you, Cybele! |
| July 18, 2010 16:21:47 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Laura M |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | I’m happy to announce that Bill O’Neill has very kindly agreed to serve as treasurer for the reunion. Please join me in thanking him for offering to handle money matters for us! Thank you, Bill! |
| July 18, 2010 07:00:19 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Laura M |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Pease join me in sending a huge thank you to Cybele Connor for volunteering to take on the meal planning for the 25th reunion. She (we) will need a crew of volunteers, so if you are interested in preparing and serving meals during the reunion, please let her know. Thank you, Cybele! |
| July 18, 2010 06:53:32 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Laura M |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http://www.reserveamerica.com/camping/Dogwood_Ca/r/campgroundDetails.do?contractCode=NRSO&parkId=702 |
| Comments: | ...and here's the link for Dogwood near Lake Arrowhead. |
| July 10, 2010 11:52:01 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Laura M |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http://www.reserveamerica.com/camping/Serrano_Ca/r/campgroundDetails.do?contractCode=NRSO&parkId=705 |
| Comments: | Here's the link for Serrano on Big Bear Lake. |
| July 10, 2010 11:50:29 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Laura M |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http://www.reserveamerica.com/camping/Silverwood_Lake_Sra/r/campgroundDetails.do?contractCode=CA&par |
| Comments: | Here's the link for Silverwood Lake State Recreation Area. |
| July 10, 2010 11:48:55 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Laura M |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | READ THIS LAST... and the third one, read it second, of course! (Sorry!) (The two camps I was most excited about, one run by the Unitarian Universalists and the another called Pilgrim Pines, couldn’t take us but promised to keep a lookout for cancellations in July, so let’s “om” for a march miracle.) These camps can’t be booked until 6-9 months in advance anyway, so we have a little more time to think about other options. So, have a looksee and post your thoughts here or on the GPM Facebook site. |
| July 10, 2010 11:45:56 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Laura M |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | However, if we really want to meet in the LA area, I’m thinking we could book tent sites at one of these three camps (see links). Serrano is on the north shore of Big Bear Lake; Dogwood is on Lake Arrowhead; and Silverwood Lake State Recreation Area is on Silverwood Lake. Here are their advantages: 1) located near a town (for shopping and in case some people would rather stay in hotels and re-une during the day) 2) Plenty of sites for tent camping and rvs. 3) High above L.A. in the mountains for smog-free, cool summer camping. 4) Inexpensive 5) Lakes nearby for splashing. (Someone asked for this amenity; I agree!) Here are their disadvantages: 1) We’d have to rent cars or vans at the airport to get folks there. 2) No built-in amenities like meals or meeting hall; everyone would be responsible for his/her own meals. 3) Not guaranteed; we’d have to coordinate calling to reserve enough sites for all of us. (CONTINUED>>>) |
| July 10, 2010 11:41:43 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | angie frabasilio |
| Email: | angiefrab{at}yahoo.com |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | If California is the place... I and three boys will be there. |
| July 8, 2010 20:25:27 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Laura M |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Thank you, Barbara, for your help in finding seed money. That would be a huge help. I'll keep Camp Oso in mind if neither of the other two options works out. People seem to want to be close to LA, where it all started. Good luck with your transition. |
| July 7, 2010 15:09:18 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Barbara |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | How about Camp Oso in the Santa Barbara mountains? They have cabins, wagon tents, rv's,rv space, and tent space. I don't know the cost or booking situation and I am in a huge personal transition right now so I can't help much. You can find it on the internet. |
| July 7, 2010 13:27:17 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Barbara |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | I believe it has been a tradition that the California reunion group loans some seed money to the big reunions. I now manage the books and the $ for that group. Coleen passed it on to me a couple of years back. I will talk with some of the group and ask for opinions about assisting with the initial reservation costs. It isn't a huge ammount, and it will need to be repaid, but it can take the presure off of personal bank accounts. I am digging through the file and not finding the records. I'll get back to you. |
| July 7, 2010 13:23:11 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Laura M |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Update: Still working on reunion sites. I'll have more to report at the end of this week. (For those who have been following this thread, Camp Whittle is out because of incompatible dates, but I'm working two other viable leads.) NEEDED: PEACE MARCHER WHO'S GOOD WITH MONEY MATTERS TO OPEN A GPM 2011 REUNION ACCOUNT, TAKE IN MARCHER DEPOSITS, AND MAKE THE NECESSARY PAYMENTS TO THE CAMP. Several people have offered to help with the reunion This is an aspect that is NOT my forte. Please step up if you are good at money matters and willing to help. (The unethical need not apply.) |
| July 7, 2010 07:24:58 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | paulien |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Barbara, are you still doing Service Learning? I need input. You know my work - I would like to explore the possibility of implementing such a program. Websites you can recommend, books I could order, articles you could mail me pgeitenbeek at hotmail.com would be very welcome indeed. Hope all is well with you guys. How's Matthew? |
| July 4, 2010 16:01:15 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Laura M |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Jani, I'm sorry a July reunion will not be optimal for everyone in your family, but it seems to be the direction we're headed in. Just wanted to let you know your preferences were not unheard. |
| July 3, 2010 07:22:53 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Laura M |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Update: I'm still working with the Camp Whittle folks to see about a date in July, but in the meantime, I've found two large campsites in the San Bernardino National Forest that would be good alternatives. They are both in the general vicinity of Camp Whittle. I'll post more information at the end of next week. Your feedback has been tremendously helpful. |
| July 3, 2010 07:20:20 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Laura M |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | I hear many concerns about the June dates being too early and the August dates being too late, so I'm looking into other places that can take us in July or early August. : ) |
| July 2, 2010 05:00:08 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Bob Alei |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | This Bob (the moving one) would most likely be a party of 4 (it is hard to know what our then 18 yr old daughter Justine will be up to). We would be more likely to all make it if it is between June 5 ish and Aug 15 ish....the basic school year summer. |
| July 1, 2010 23:00:41 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Jani Wanner McWilliams |
| Email: | dougjani{at}aol.com |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Hi Laura and all, It sound like we're moving toward a date, and my answer to your question revolves around the date chosen. We are primarily a family of 3 these days. Arden (23 yrs.)is getting married to Amber this Oct., and River(20 yrs.) will be a jr. at the Univ. @ Buffalo. Al boys/men play baseball in the summer, and could only come in Aug., althoug if Arden is still playing professionally, he'll not be available until after the post season. River will have a small break in Aug. 10th-16th ish, before heading back to school. Canyon (12 yrs.) will be coming with Doug & I if it is not in June. So, the Wanner McWilliams clan is probably 3, but maybe only 2, we'll know closer to the date. :) Thanks, Jani |
| July 1, 2010 21:15:37 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Bob Frisbee |
| Email: | bfrisbee5{at}juno.com |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | I am not sure what to write here. |
| July 1, 2010 07:52:02 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | JD Stillwater |
| Email: | jdstillwater{at}gmail.com |
| HomePage: | |
| Comments: | Sorry. You are seeking a commitment for Camp Whittle. Count two of us Stillwaters as in for the later June dates, whether a weekend or full week. |
| June 30, 2010 22:13:39 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | JD Stillwater |
| Email: | jdstillwater{at}gmail.com |
| HomePage: | |
| Comments: | As noted on FB, Ann and I will come in 2011, no matter where it is held, provided it is between June 10 and about August 10. |
| June 30, 2010 22:02:18 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Ben Atherton-Zeman |
| Email: | benazeman{at}hotmail.com |
| HomePage: | http://www.voicesofmen.org |
| Comments: | Laura, thanks so much for this! Many of us have been talking on Facebook about a 25th reunion for years now - all that was missing was someone to say, "I'll do it!" We've had plenty of suggestions for places (Cleveland being the recent favorite), but I think the consensus seemed to be that we'd all try to flock to wherever it's held. The one gaping hole was someone willing to step forward and organize it - are you that someone? If so, how can we support you? |
| June 30, 2010 15:01:33 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Lori Shields |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Oh duh, You mean Bob's move! Santa Fe is beautiful! Congratulations scoring a job there Bob! |
| June 30, 2010 13:35:30 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Lori Shields |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | It appears that people might be available in August more than March or April. And August is a very bad month to hang out in Zion. I am thinking that any old weekend can be extended by a couple days so that people could come Spring, Summer or Fall. If it were not around a holiday, it might even be easier for some folks. (possibly lower plane fare, fewer family engagements etc.) The location of the YMCA camp might be a lot easier for people to come to. And if no one else, a site in California would be loaded with Californians. (We can only promise to deliver about 5 Utahans to Zion.) |
| June 30, 2010 13:30:22 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Lori Shields |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | I am not moving. Or maybe I misunderstood the comment.? Anyway. I looked up that string of information I wrote and I guess we had done our research. There were 5 Utahans and one Nebraskan and family members who showed up for that mini-reunion. We had a great time! Hence the reason we go back every Spring. I think it might have been too hard for most folks to get to. Those who wanted to camp would have had to fly their tents to Vegas then drive to Zion. By nature I am pretty lazy and one of the things I like about the Zion location is that each person can customize their own facilities and meals according to their own needs. Make their own arrangements and do their own research on the area. This takes the load off of someone trying to organize this crazy herd of cats. The only up-front money would be reserving a group site. www.nps.gov/zion/ and http://www.zionpark.com/ are the two web sites I might start with if I were looking into Zion. |
| June 30, 2010 13:10:05 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Laura M |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Okay, Lynn, Bob and Jani, I've got you down, but Bob and Jani, how many are in your parties? |
| June 30, 2010 05:20:50 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Laura M |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http://www.zioncamp.com/index.html |
| Comments: | Lori, I re-read your thread about Zion. There seemed to be a lot of people interested in having our reunion there Is this (link) the area you went to? It looks beautiful. I checked a random sampling of school calendars, and it looks like April 16-24, 2011 is the most common spring break. It also looks like that would be a good week at Zion in terms of weather. Please let me know if this is the place and I'll post it on the GPM fb as a possibility. And good luck with your upcoming move! |
| June 30, 2010 05:04:00 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Lori Shields |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Tom (Thumb) Gardener wanted me to let you know that he is not able to come to a reunion the last half of June. I will do my best to come whenever and where ever it is. My kid's schools schedule is not that important since we would be coming for an extended weekend only. A few days missed from school is not a big deal with us. I had looked into the Zion site a year or more ago and posted my findings on this web site. It is a doable place. Lots of hotels, or people could camp in the park, a small town where Angie said she may be able to score the community center for a few days for us to gather. A 2 1/2 hour drive from Los Vegas. It is too hot from the end of May through the end of September. A charming town, and a beautiful park to hike or bike in. Free shuttle service to and through the park... although there is an entrance fee. We have been going there every Spring for the past four years so Laura's site is my first pick since I've never been there. |
| June 29, 2010 18:24:43 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Jani Wanner McWilliams |
| Email: | dougjani{at}aol.com |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Hey all! I like te YMCA camp idea, late Aug. works better than June due to baseball, but it is virtually a year round sport around here. Thanks for all of the checking/research! I'm excited! |
| June 29, 2010 18:22:49 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Bob Alei |
| Email: | bobalei at yahoo |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Thanks Lori Shields for sending emails out to those of us who don't check this page much. We'd *love* to be at the reunion! And thank you Laura for working on this. Late August is late for us since school starts around the 15th. But if that's the date that works for people, we'll make a go of it. In other news, we're moving to Santa Fe! I got a job teaching at a small charter school there and since it's near home we figured it's a good time to move. I'll update when we have an address. ...and see you all at the reunion! |
| June 29, 2010 15:29:02 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Lynn S |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Hi Laura--We are the Sahlems. Frank is the marcher but I've been to most of the reunions. :) |
| June 29, 2010 06:36:29 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Laura M |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Thank you for your reply, Bryan! I'll put you two down with no preference for dates. Please spread the word to your GPM friends. |
| June 28, 2010 14:47:19 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Bryan Fulton |
| Email: | rpcvslowone{at}yahoo.com |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Laura, Sonia Cota-Robles and I are sure to be at any 25th GPM reunion in the Los Angeles area, no matter where it is held, because LA is less than a daze drive from our home in Tucson, AZ. |
| June 28, 2010 03:48:39 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Colin |
| Email: | ttanews{at}hotmail.com |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Hey, nice to see that people are trying to get together. I was the guy on the gate with security wearing the plaid robe and white floppy hat. I also taught "tent training" when folks first showed up to the march in Van Nuys (I think it was Van Nuys). |
| June 27, 2010 15:39:45 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Laura M |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Sorry, Lynn, what's your last name? |
| June 27, 2010 07:07:07 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | laura M |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Okay, Lynn, glad to hear this will be a good site for you. Yes, forest fires seem to be a possibility at that time of year. Otherwise, August in Big Bear means we shouldn't be bothered by rain. I'll sign you and Frank up for two spots. Please spread the word! |
| June 27, 2010 06:59:44 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Lynn S |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Thanks, Laura, I think the trees up that far should help. As long as there are no forest fires! ;-) August would work best for us since Frank has most of it off most years. Don't know if it would be more than two of us as Crystal will be 17 and may or may not want to come. |
| June 26, 2010 20:41:10 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Laura M |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http://maps.google.com/maps?client=safari&rls=en-us&q=rim+of+the+world+fawnskin,+ca+map&oe=UTF-8&um= |
| Comments: | Hello, Lynn, Here's a link to a google map showing the location of the camp. I don't know about smog there, but my brother has visited the area many times and says it's very beautiful. |
| June 26, 2010 05:27:33 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Lynn S |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Any clue where this place is?! Their website doesn't seem to have any map or even a link to a map. Hard to know if I could breathe there or not (polution is very hard on asthma) and most of California east of LA is pretty impossible for me to be. My asthma is worse every year. |
| June 26, 2010 02:37:24 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Laura M |
| Email: | laura.monagan{at}yahoo.com |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Just heard from the folks at Camp Whittle, the YMCA camp near Los Angeles (see video I posted earlier), and they said they can offer us August 22-25 as alternatives to the earlier June dates. If this works for you, please let me know as soon as possible, along with the number of people in your party. I'll need a commitment of about 80-100 people to go ahead with this location. I need to get back to her in the next ten days or so. (Joe and Lori, do these August dates also work for you?) Thanks! |
| June 25, 2010 18:29:19 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Laura M |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | I'm happy so many people are starting to talk about the reunion. To me, the YMCA of the Rockies was ideal because of the choice of housing (from ground tents to dorms to a fancy lodge), the reasonable cost, the on-site meals, and the range of activities for every age group. It would be nice to camp at a site where we camped on the GPM, but I've yet to find one that really serves our reunion needs. (We were largely self-sufficient back in 1986!) The main point is, if you have a proposal in mind, please do a little research first to see if the place is really appropriate to our needs before putting it out there for consideration. Post a few details with your proposal: distance from the nearest major airport, cost per person, amenities, facilities for preparing food, and the type of housing/camping. I don't mind looking into suggestions, but I don't have time (or the inclination) to research each one from scratch. Cabo San Lucas? Tell me more! |
| June 25, 2010 18:18:59 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Ted T. |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Yes, Cabo San Lucas...although Cabo, Tenn. might be nice in the spring too. |
| June 25, 2010 15:38:56 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Lori |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | I just so appreciate that Laura is looking up possibilities. I think Cabo sounds great too. Does Cabo (Ted, you did mean Cabo San Lucas right?) have fewer mosquitoes? (I hate bug repellent almost as much as I hate mosquitoes.) |
| June 25, 2010 04:39:58 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Barbara |
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| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | If this is the way we go then I vote for the later date. We will still be in school until the 9th. As a teacher I have work for a few more days after that. I would probably come alone. |
| June 25, 2010 02:45:38 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Ted T. |
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| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Then I propose Cabo !? |
| June 25, 2010 02:12:16 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Lori Shields |
| Email: | lshields{at}xmission.com |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | I think Laura's site looks beautiful. I am also thinking, "you can never go home", so returning to a site we stayed at before could be nice but it would not be the same as it was anyway. (Also consider Zion Park in Southern Utah around Easter break. (No bugs.) Angie and Logan might be able to look into that.) If you are looking for a weekend commitment for the California site, you have one (maybe 4) from me. Either weekend will work for me (us) but we might get more takers if it is the later one since some kids get out of school later. Only 79-99 commitments to go! Thank you for looking into it Laura! |
| June 25, 2010 00:30:30 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Ted T. |
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| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Gotta say, I'm inclined towards a campsite that we stayed at on the March... |
| June 24, 2010 02:37:41 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Barbara |
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| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Where is it? |
| June 24, 2010 00:47:36 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Laura M |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | We can get this camp (link in earlier posting) for GPM 25th reunion next summer EITHER the weekend of June 10,11,12 OR the week of June 13-17. Cost: $90/person for the weekend or $158/person for the week. Includes lodging, four meals, and activities (archery, arts and crafts, hayride, nature house, hiking; swimming pool MIGHT be available but not guaranteed). Located approximately 2 1/2 hours from LAX, depending on LA traffic. I need a commitment from 80-100 people in the next ten days. Please send preferred dates and number of people in your group. Please keep your message simple and clear: just the dates and number of people. Thanks. |
| June 23, 2010 21:13:37 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Barbara |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Glen Helen is 72 miles from LAX |
| June 23, 2010 20:38:14 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Laura M |
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| HomePage: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwTs5MhL_X4 |
| Comments: | This is where I want to meet for our 25th reunion. : ) |
| June 23, 2010 15:28:09 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Laura M |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | www.co.san-bernardino.ca.us/parks/glen_helen/glen_helen.aspx |
| Comments: | Is Glen Helen too far from LAX? |
| June 23, 2010 13:47:17 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Laura M |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | There seems to be more enthusiasm for a reunion in California reunion than for one in Cleveland. I like the idea of going back to our starting point. Joe, I'm totally willing to organize in any way I can from my laptop in Berlin. |
| June 23, 2010 13:31:57 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Barbara |
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| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Yes i've been here for 11 years. I am straight across from the Bay Area. So if San Fran is northern then I am northern. I am in the mountains above the Central Valley so maybe that makes me more central. OK, I will settle for the Central Sierra's. What I do know is that it is beautiful here. |
| June 21, 2010 04:59:52 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Gene |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | That's not northern CA! I though you had moved up to the Bay Area or even beyond. Haven't you been in the Sierras near Yosemite for a long, long time? |
| June 21, 2010 01:36:49 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Barbara |
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| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | In the Sierras. Just outside of Yosemite. |
| June 19, 2010 16:14:16 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Gene |
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| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Barbara! You live in Northern California now? Where? |
| June 19, 2010 15:26:25 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Barbara |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http://www.yelp.com/biz/santa-fe-dam-recreation-area-baldwin-park |
| Comments: | Here is a link to an opinion page about Santa Fe Dam. I am vary familiar with the facility from the years I lived in LA. I ran, biked, and rode horses there. It has been developed to a far greater extent with a water play park and more trails. One draw back is the isolation from stores and resturants, at least it used to be in an industrial area. That may have changed. It has one very important asset that seems to matter at reunions, water we can immerse ourselves in. I will look into some of the other aspects. Don't expect me to organize the reunion from where I live in Northern CA but I will do some research. |
| June 19, 2010 06:39:20 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Joe |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | I know you feel my pain brother! A reunion in California would be better anyway. There are good reasons that we left the rust belt. |
| June 17, 2010 23:32:33 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | James |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZzgAjjuqZM |
| Comments: | Another excuse to share the above video, Joe! |
| June 17, 2010 23:04:50 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Gene |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | To be in Griffith Park where it all began and see each other 25 years later would be awesome! Second choice (for me) would be Claremont. |
| June 17, 2010 14:48:07 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Joe |
| Email: | The same thing that happened to Detroit! |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | James, let me tell you what happened to Cleveland. When I was born there in 1959 the population of Cleveland was about 1,000,000 and now it is estimated to be about 350,000. The river burned. The heavy industrial base closed up and moved away eliminating most of the good paying blue collar jobs. The young whites fled to the suburbs. The old ethnic whites died. The federal government gave up on urban areas in the rust belt. Oh, and the sports teams have not won a championship since the early 1960's. But hey, the Rock and Roll Museum is there and housing is cheap! And yet something tells me that I am not really answering your question. So to take it a step further, it does not seem that the 25th reunion will be in Cleveland as there is not enough organizing interest. |
| June 17, 2010 12:28:00 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | James |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Santa Fe Dam was a lovely site. What happened to Cleveland? |
| June 16, 2010 18:46:19 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Cybele |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Well it seems like for the 25th it really needs to be in Cali, where it all began, how about Claremont, we could camp at Snoop Doggs |
| June 16, 2010 12:55:25 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | James |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | And the campground is a very different place than where we camped on the march, which was basically an open field below the carousel. |
| June 14, 2010 18:38:10 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Ted T. |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Ahhh, Griffith Park...'cause I missed that little cough. |
| June 9, 2010 16:05:40 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Joe |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Cybele, I am so sorry that you lost your job. I hope that college is great for you. |
| June 9, 2010 14:02:51 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Laura M |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | www.laparks.org/dos/camps/hollywoodland/pdf/rentalpk.pdf |
| Comments: | Cybele, here is the link to the campsite at Griffith Park. It states that they can only take up to 180 people, but maybe that is negotiable if some are in tents. |
| June 9, 2010 03:48:33 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Cybele |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Well I am getting laid off by my company and going back to college, (I am 21 again) So I will be available to head up another kitchen at the 25th Reunion. Where is it? I really hope Griffith Park it seems so appropriate. |
| June 8, 2010 20:41:31 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Joe |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Sometimes a typo is just a typo - other times..... |
| May 26, 2010 11:21:46 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Great Peace Marc |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Love you too, Joe, and look forward to talking with you. I found the fb page and posted there. |
| May 26, 2010 02:34:42 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Joe |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | So sorry to hear about Paul. There is a GPM Facebook page, but I am not sure how to get there - perhaps you just search for Great Peace Marc. This makes me realize that I need to call you up and connect Marc. I will do so soon and love you very much. Hope all is well. |
| May 25, 2010 11:55:13 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Marc |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | sad news |
| Comments: | We have lost another marcher. Paul Loumena, husband of Alex (White) Loumena passed away of a heart attack last week. Paul was 57. He is survived by Alex and their daughter Danielle. Paul and Alex lived in Oakland for a number of years and I came to know Paul pretty well. We were in a writers' group together. Paul was an absolutely lovely person, a joy to be around, a beautiful man. Is there a GPM yahoo group, through which this announcement can be disseminated? Thanks. Peace to all. |
| May 24, 2010 21:39:11 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Paulien |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/may/19/syria-israel-bloggers-online-peace |
| Comments: | Found an interesting article in a British newspaper today about peace efforts in cyber space. www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/may/19/syria-israel-bloggers-online-peace |
| May 19, 2010 09:04:00 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Joe |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Laura, if you are up for it then we will find out if we can organize the reunion. Really, I have no doubt about it. We have many marchers who can help us. We have a lot of experience and knowledge to rely on. We have the do-it-yourself spirit of the GPM itself to guide us. My family and I are moving back to Colorado on July 7th. My mother, sister and one brother are still in the Cleveland area where I partially grew up. I have no doubt that we can do it, if you have the desire and energy. Think about it and let me know. It is no problem either way. If we do not do organize the reunion, then I imagine that someone else will. |
| May 16, 2010 14:16:26 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Laura M |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Do you think we can plan a reunion in Cleveland from Costa Rica and Berlin? |
| May 15, 2010 22:09:56 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Joe |
| Email: | Eight weeks left in Costa Rica |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Time for me to reread the Articles of Confederation and the Constitution and maybe The Federalist Papers and Howard Zinn too. Down here in Costa Rica, it seems to me that the colonial mindset is very close to the surface and especially so with a particularly unconscious segment of the Costa Rican economic elite and US expats who live here. Central America has been colonized twice - once by the Spain and once by the US corporate/military power. It all has me thinking hard about my own colonial mindset - nurtured from birth. It also has me thinking hard about the upside of the experiment that is the United States and how to manifest that with my own actions. Did you think about the Cleveland offer, Laura? |
| May 13, 2010 19:42:25 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Laura M |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Paulien, I'm interested in your question re: the relationship between the EU constitution and the Articles of Confederation. The latter was a document with virtually no decision-making power. All sovereignty after US independence lay with the individual states. They coined their own currency, drafted their own laws, and established what amounted to national boundaries between the states. In effect, we had thirteen little nations. Those who espoused the Iroquois model hoped that the thirteen states could come together as the Iroquois tribes had, in times of need or emergency. But the economic upheaval after the war put the hope of a true confederation in jeopardy. It was Sheas (apostrophe) Rebellion that finally convinced the leaders of several states to call the convention to revise the Articles. Technically, I guess there couldn't have been a civil war because the states were not really a nation. The EU is already more aligned than the states were under the AofC. |
| May 13, 2010 15:39:53 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Laura M |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Those are interesting questions. Joe, your questions remind me of that medieval woodcut of the man reaching through the celestial sphere. With the staunch federalists like Madison at one end of the spectrum and the radical anti-federalists like Patrick Henry at the other, it is hard to make generalizations about the whole set of them. (Henry refused to attend the Philadelphia convention; Madison had his Virginia Plan all written up before he even arrived.) However, I think you are right to say that they were of a colonial mindset. How could they not have been? It was their milieu. At the same time, they struggled to push through to an Enlightenment vision of liberty, even if it was just for a tiny elite minority. To them it must have seemed like an enormous wave of change. So, I would agree that the document reflects both a colonial mindset and a visionary one. |
| May 13, 2010 15:25:30 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | James |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Alex, I assume you are writing about Just One Step, Cathy Zheutlin's documentary about the GPM for GND? If so thanks, I had a small part in shaping that project and never tire of watching it. |
| May 10, 2010 04:22:18 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Axel Mainzer Koenig |
| Email: | dspace21{at}aol.com |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Even over 20 years after its creation, this documentary is emotional and shows a true conviction from the very beginning. The realism, that was captured, let the viewer be part of this experience whether they were actually participating in this peace march. This documentary also should be seen in schools around the country today, since it shows courage and how to practice democratic value in a peaceful manor. |
| May 10, 2010 00:37:44 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Paulien |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Fascinating discussion. Say Laura, do you think if the US had kept to those Articles of Confederation it could have prevented the Civil War? I see a lot of parallels with the forming of the European Union, so far the drafted constitution keeps getting voted down, but as there's so much economic turmoil here right now and we find ourselves more than just a little apprehensive about having to downsize our standard of living, I really worry about the political decisions being made in Brussels right now. They will effect not just our lives, but future generations as well, for many decades, even centuries. When you give power away, it is hard to get it back. |
| May 8, 2010 06:15:52 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Joe |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | So if you think it appropriate Laura, how would you characterize the US constitution as a colonial document and as a visionary document? By the way, have you given up on organizing a 25th reunion in Cleveland next year? If you are still interested, I will help and we can make it happen. |
| May 4, 2010 21:28:18 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Laura M |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | The US Constitution is near and dear to my heart. I grew up in a political family near DC, and government was an ongoing topic of conversation in my house. After the peace march, I spent eighteen years teaching 8th grade students about US history, including the Declaration and Independence, the Articles of Confederation and the US Constitution. With regard to the Iroquois influence, it was the concept of a confederation that Franklin and others borrowed. Few people realize how the States floundered under the Articles of Confederation and what turmoil ensued following independence from Britain. It was the economic and social upheaval that finally led to the convention in Philadelphia where the Articles were tossed aside and the US Constitution, with its power shift to a centralized government, was born. I often wonder how we would have evolved if we had survived the upheaval and learn to function as a confederation of free states rather than putting stock in a federal system. |
| May 4, 2010 08:40:31 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Joe |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Evan thanks for the heads up on the Iroquois constitution. I had forgotten about that influence on the US constitution. I will look it up and read it over. I have a Spanish language class on Wednesday with my teacher and we have been talking about the US constitution and colonization in the US in comparison to Costa Rica. Es muy interesante. |
| May 3, 2010 12:56:23 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Evan |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http://www.indigenouspeople.net/iroqcon.htm |
| Comments: | Very nice post, Joe. Your quest sounds fascinating, and resonates with me. Just to add trivia as I always tend to, one of the most overlooked sources for our constitution (but a VERY important one, in my opinion) was the Iroquois compact. Governing the five Iroquois tribes across America, it was a brilliant agreement, and I applaud Jefferson and others for learning from it. I mention it as the only non-colonial source of which I am aware. On the Peace March, we drew from its traditions, whether we knew it or not. |
| May 3, 2010 01:23:01 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Joe |
| Email: | It must be the new reading glasses. |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | There are a few life-themes that I have been exploring a lot recently. The first is the need to decolonize my own mind/heart/body. The founders of the USA were aristocratic colonists. While the constitution that they created came from that elite colonial mindset, it contains idealistic and visionary goals that can lift up humanity. It seems to me that the history of the USA is that we strive towards those goals while being dragged backwards by the mindset. How does my own mindset drag my back? The second is cultivating and rejoicing in simple companionship. The third is my own mortality. As I age and approach the end of my life, I value my loved ones more and more. That includes peace marchers of all stripes. How can I love more and judge less? How can I make the most of my remaining years? |
| May 2, 2010 14:31:07 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Joe |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Thank you Shanawa. There is no too late. |
| April 30, 2010 21:33:27 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Joe |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Thanks Laura. Joe Kinczel POB 1754 Nederland CO 80466 |
| April 27, 2010 17:36:34 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Laura M |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Hello, Joe, Thank you so much for working all of that out. Would you please post your p.o. address again so I can donate? Thanks! |
| April 27, 2010 16:42:47 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Joe |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | The site and domain name renewal will be automatic and done on my credit card. The hosting company also has my email address and phone number in case they need to communicate. The hosting company had my old credit card info along with Julia Ziobro's contact info which was why I was being charged and she was being contacted. That is all corrected now. |
| April 27, 2010 15:05:23 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Joe |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | In order to keep this site up and running without interruption I just renewed the hosting with the mysite/50megs hosting company. I paid a total of $72.48. This includes an overdue amount from March 1st 2010 till today for $13.08 and a new yearly fee of $59.40. We will now be paying $59.40 per year which is a reduction from last year and are paid through April 27, 2011 ($13.08 + 59.40). The domain registration is also good until March 21, 2011 and after that will cost $49.75 for 5 years. This does not prevent us from moving the site if we want to, though the reduction in cost puts the hosting fee for this site in line with other hosting companies that have been investigated. |
| April 27, 2010 15:03:16 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Lynn & Frank |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Oh yes, one more thing, would someone who is into all of that stuff please post this on facebook. I know the facebook exists but. . . Thanks!! |
| April 27, 2010 01:31:37 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Lynn & Frank |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Continuation! To Vote for ECHS Online Go To: www.whitehouse.gov/commencement Watch the 3-minute student-created videos online Rate each school on a scale from 1 to 5 A “5” goes to the school that best meets the President’s Race To the Top Commencement Challenge goals – providing an education where every student graduates college and career ready. We Think You Will Rate Environmental Charter High School a "5"! 97 % of our students graduate college ready – in a state where the public school average is 32%. Vote for California’s only finalist! Vote for the only Green school! Thanks for Your Support. With Your Help We Will Bring President Obama to ECHS! |
| April 27, 2010 01:08:33 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Lynn & Frank |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Hi All! As some of you know Crystal goes to Environmental Charter High School and they are in a contest so we need your help! We’re in the Top 6! Vote Now To Bring President Obama to Our Graduation. The White House and the Department of Education recently named Environmental Charter School (ECHS) as a finalist in a nationwide competition - for exemplifying the president’s 2020 goal that every high school student will graduate college ready. From more than 1,000 applicants, ECHS is one of just 6 finalists selected to compete in a run-off voting contest to have the President deliver its 2010 commencement address. We Need Your Vote To Reach The Final Three! www.whitehouse.gov/commencement. More to follow!!! |
| April 27, 2010 01:04:56 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | |
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| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | 1. Just Days to Stop Food Fascism! UPDATE: S.510 did not make it to the floor of the Senate this week! Your continued PUSH BACK is still holding it off. Please read below and TAKE THE ACTION ITEM AGAIN! We must innudate the Senate with emails to stop this travesty! Rumor in DC is that the forced-industrialization of food production bill, S.510, will come to a vote in the Senate this week or next week. If you value local, natural food production, NOW is the time to act! Please use this Action Item and send the message to the Senate: "NO FAKE FOOD SAFETY BILL". Demand strong, unequivocal protection for local, natural food production! Please forward this message to everyone you know and ask them to act too! Two action steps to take: |
| April 25, 2010 18:21:25 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | JuliaZ |
| Email: | juliaz{at}gmail.com |
| HomePage: | http://www.facebook.com/pages/GPM-InfoComm-20/118996864784183?ref=nf |
| Comments: | Luis, Great to see you here! There is a new place for GPMers to hang out... I have linked to it but you can also look here: http://www.facebook.com/pages/GPM-InfoComm-20/118996864784183?ref=nf InfoComm 2.0 is a Facebook page for us to hang virtual flyers out of the rain but in a highly visible place. I anticipate a high level of freedom but spam will be moderated off the page. Great Green March 2011... who is going to do part or all of it? I am so tempted... trying to figure out how it can or might fit into my life. We will see! |
| April 20, 2010 06:11:42 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Evan |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Hilarious, Paulien. Welcome Luis! |
| April 19, 2010 21:44:21 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | James |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Luis HELLO! Great to hear from you. |
| April 19, 2010 14:27:28 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | luis Pardo |
| Email: | pardolj{at}gmail.com |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | hello again GPM family, I was very touched to see so many photos of the reunions in California etc, everyone is looking good. I am living in LA and SF ( travel a lot) and hoping to connect again with folks. Working on the Barbara Boxer campaign, and environmental justice issues, including health care. take care, Luis Pardo |
| April 19, 2010 02:47:25 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Paulien |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kXOg23pGeA&feature=related |
| Comments: | Hey Evan, just for you! here's Walter, the guy who wants to be a greeter at Walmart. He is a big hit here in Holland. Only second to Achmed the dead terrorist. Enjoy! |
| April 16, 2010 20:27:02 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Ted T. |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Il1WZwGjtEs&feature=related |
| Comments: | And here is a classic energy use device... |
| April 15, 2010 22:10:50 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Joe |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Evan, again I am so happy that you are back here participating! Indeed, we are citizens of the USA, but our national government is largely controlled by the Fortune 1000 including WalMart. I feel hopeful because I know that the final script is not written and in fact is never written, but our democracy is truly in a sad state - perhaps even worse than our economy. |
| April 14, 2010 12:46:26 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Evan |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Number one employer in the U.S. = WalMart. Number one employer in China = WalMart. After the United States Defense Department, WalMart has the largest computer network in the world. While I agree with Joe about Brazil, India, etc., we may end up citizens of WalMart. |
| April 14, 2010 05:17:23 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Shanawa |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3738920409515424173#docid=2941416190740682934 |
| Comments: | A very close friend of mine, Stephen Nalty who lives in Colorado sent me an email that directed me to a web sight that demonstrated the concept of a magnetic motor. It's development may lead to the replacement of the internal combustion engine. Check it out, it's a beautiful concept. Above is the link. Can you imagine being able to drive a car with out gas or deseal |
| April 14, 2010 05:15:55 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Joe |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Ted, the USA is certainly in a financial marriage of sorts with China. They make it, we buy it and then they send the profits back to the US when they buy our debt. However, the US is also the co-creator and epicenter of the post WWII capitalist financial trade and monetary system set up at Bretton Woods. The US has been partially exempt from those rules it created yet has imposed them on others through the World Trade Organization and the World Bank for decades. The Great Recession we are still experiencing has proved that the US is still exempt from the rules for the time being, but the wheel is turning. A multipolar financial world is emerging that the US will not control for long. Brazil, Russia, India, China are emerging financial superpowers on par or larger than the US, the EU, and Japan. When China re-absorbs Taiwan, it will rule the world financially. Right now the US is too big to fail, but the seeds for our failure in the future have been sown and are growing. Our children.. |
| April 13, 2010 19:59:35 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Joe |
| Email: | Come and visit! |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Paulien, our little town is Nederland which was founded by citizens of your country 150 years ago as a gold mining town. We actually live or will live when we return to the US outside of Nederland by about 5 miles. Nederland just legalized pot and is infamous for Frozen Dead Guy Days. Where we live we have a household water well 500 feet deep, we have a household septic system to process our sewage and we pay for our garbage/recycling pick up. We are on the electric grid for now and use propane for heat and hot water. The Gilpin county government maintains our roads and plows snow. Our property taxes pay for the schooling of our children. It is pretty spare and pretty simple governance. I do not know what town you are talking about, but Evan Conroy lives about 10 miles from us as does Darryl Purpose as does Jay Vogt. Irene Shonle lives less than a mile from us. We are in the middle of nowhere surrounded by pine trees and mountains and rivers and peace marchers. Could be worse. |
| April 13, 2010 19:36:18 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Evan |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Shanawa, you make some very good points. I agree about the people on this page striving for better. You've put me in an awkward place; I don't want to defend the existing government structures...I get very angry about the terrible things being done. I think about George Bush's grandfather, Prescott Bush and his battles with Ralph Nader's mother. Yes, there are royal families in America, and that's wrong. I don't want to argue a lot with you, I'm trying to listen. I just feel you put way to much trust in corporations. You resent big government,I resent big corporations. There we are. Be well and thrive, my friend. |
| April 13, 2010 18:48:32 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Evan |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http://reason.com/blog/2010/04/13/the-colorado-springs-experimen |
| Comments: | Perhaps you are talking about Colorado Springs (see link above). They haven't eliminated taxes, but they have come close to going broke, and the citizen reaction has been "cut more". My home state is a strange place. Colorado Springs is the home of the "moral majority"...military, right wing christian activist...it is like much of the state, BUT then there is the Denver, Boulder, Aspen axis, which is home to some of the most liberal people in the United States. Politically, Colorado went "blue" in 2008 for the first time since 1976, voting for Obama, and Dems in congress. Both sides are united by a love of the outdoors (Colorado may be the most active state in the U.S., physically), but one side loves the hunting and the other side loves the environmental protection. Read the article above, we'll see how their "experiment" in smaller and smaller government works out. Does this mean they'll shut down the Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs? It is government, right? |
| April 13, 2010 16:00:19 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Evan |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Colorado is also my home state, but I haven't heard about this. I can't find it on a google search. Joe, do you know anything about it? |
| April 13, 2010 15:21:40 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Paulien |
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| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Say Joe, someone told me the other day about a town in Colorado where people voted down taxes and they have to make their own arrangements for things like garbage. As that's your home state, what can you tell about that? How is it working out? |
| April 13, 2010 11:44:42 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Evan |
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| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | in their best interests to bring back a slave class, whether it is an already existing slave class (sweat shops), or a new one (eliminated middle class) I'm sure they appreciate your help. |
| April 13, 2010 06:04:19 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Evan |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Shanawa, do you read your own posts? On the one hand, these corporations did evil because of a corrupt government that protected them, while on the other hand, the government destroys the honest businesses? Do you see your own contradiction? With a separation of government and business as you ask for, how will you have this peace march? Making weapons is BIG money and BIG business, building that wealth you love. Do you think they will just stop because you marched? Or, with this lovely separation you want, perhaps they will just attack you, steal from you, even kill you. Why not? It's good money and it makes them wealthy. In fact, there are lots of ways to make tremendous wealth destroying Mother Earth, destroying people with less wealth and power. It's such a pretty vision, as long as you are wealthy and powerful and have no government to stop you. By the way, MY radical theory is that the ruling class, as you call them, are based on WEALTH, not politicians, and it is ... |
| April 13, 2010 06:02:48 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Ted T. |
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| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Precisely Joe, given the amount China has invested in us, it would get dragged down too if we said we couldn't even plan on recovery....and I doubt the world economies would consider a reset to say...1938. |
| April 13, 2010 00:45:32 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Joe |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Ted, your idea that the USA is too big to fail (financially) is very interesting to me depending on how one actually defines the USA. It seems to me that individual citizens are allowed to fail. Cities and towns are allowed to fail. Small and medium sized corporations are allowed to fail. It can be argued that states have been allowed to fail - California for instance - seems to be falling apart at the seems and seems to be approaching bankruptcy. What has not been allowed to fail are large corporations that are financially embedded with the federal government and the federal government itself which supports, regulates and bails out such corporations. What the Bush years and the first part of the Obama years have made clearer and clearer is that there is very little difference financially between the federal government and the Fortune 1000. If you accept this description, then who can guarantee that the USA is too big to fail? Is it the rest of the world financial community? |
| April 12, 2010 13:31:39 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Ted T. |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Oh, and for taxes...I agree it's a battle to get our tax money spent on what we think is necessary, especially since the people with money don't want it spent on keeping an eye on them (see labor/environment bits above) or keeping them from amassing enough to make it worth their while to set up shop overseas. How much is enough? can we make you keep paying the 10 workers that your new robot displaced? do we tax you enough to pay for daycares or will you pay enough so your workers can afford it? same with health care? either way, Taiwan factories are waiting for your decision....dizzy yet?...(oh, and for you flat taxers, 15% matters more to me than to Oprah) |
| April 12, 2010 06:06:58 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Ted T. |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | ...knowing that times will get harder and products more expensive and we'll have less choice (if we are going to compete with Taiwan we can't be competing with each other now can we?). Oh, and do we sacrifice the land and the water for the products we need? that cotton takes a lot of water...even hemp needs a little. Ready to eat only what's in season? a days train away?....ready to shovel coal on a train? mine Uranium in four corners....maybe?....think most of America is?. Think you'll get far suggesting that your local sports team do without their new stadium in favor of community gardens?. Where's your money? big bank? jar under your bed? credit union?....mines tied up in food and rent futures. And no "if we just believe enough, Unicorns that shit money will manifest" type wishing. I'm already a bicycle mechanic, so I'm okay with a low-tech/impact future...but strawberries in December are nice. |
| April 12, 2010 05:53:22 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Ted T. |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Okay Shanawa...let's solve the Belgium problem (a former empire now a mediocre country). Government/Corporation colusion and our demand for cheap goods has resulted in Americas manufacturing base being abandoned in favor of overseas production....and the recent housing/tech/finance bubble collapse has us in huge debt (America is itself "too big to fail"). How do we (and by we I mean you) start or restart any business or even industry and get Americans working and producing our own goods in any sort of competitive manner?. Americans won't work for the wages necessary to make a manufacturing plant competitive (see cheap goods mention above), and raw materials are either in short supply or cheaper from overseas, or mechanization negates the need for labor. And given the restrictions on sweatshop treatment that Americans have fought for...(40 hour week, child labor, safe conditions, etc.) making labor cost what they are...how do we proceed?. Think Americans will work harder despite... |
| April 12, 2010 05:40:41 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | James |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Shanawa, if we posted here every time a child died or was crippled by the U.S. corporate health care system or lack of access to said system it would go on forever. Those stories never make the paper though because its business as usual in America. I don't understand why you trust a wealthy bureaucracy (corporations) with no motive but greed and no possibility of influence by us to act in our best interest. Without govt. oversight we'd be seeing mine accidents like the one last week every day and they too would not be reported because it would be business as usual. I understand your mistrust of govt. but as its been said here already, they are at least minimally responsible to us. Corporations, without any govt. oversight, would be infinitely worse. |
| April 11, 2010 19:10:01 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Ted T. |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Actually this just sounds like an isolated incident (and no mention of whether the parents were jerks or not). And I'd rather see a 17 lb 2 year old than a 40 lb one. And as Data told his picky cat "perhaps hunger will compel you to try it again". No 2 year old is going to starve itself...maybe moms cooking sucked. And the State has a history of looking after childrens welfare (see Christian Scientist and vaccinations...vegetarians and well...a lot). And luckily the family was in a country with a system that let them feel comfortable taking their child to a doctor right away rather than waiting 'til it was bad enough to require an emergency room trip....or a call for a coroner. |
| April 11, 2010 05:09:18 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Shanawa |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http://www.naturalnews.com/028534_junk_food_Social_workers.html |
| Comments: | well youall, here is a story of social health care for you. Social workers take baby boy after mom refuses to feed him processed junk food. This is the web page to the story. http://www.naturalnews.com/028534_junk_food_Social_workers.html Do you not find this appalling. It happened in the EU. I am sure this is the tip of an iceberg of government/medical intrusion in peoples lives. |
| April 10, 2010 15:25:29 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | James |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Sorry Joe, thought you were minimizing the influence of both religions. I had just read the kissing story and it was fresh in my mind. |
| April 9, 2010 18:23:12 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Joe |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | The Dubai to Houston analogy was at best approximate. Thanks for pointing that out James. By the way, in my analogy I was actually trying to point out amongst other things a certain amount of social intolerance in both places and a sense of distaste for both religions. Regardless, I hope that it is an interesting move for Diane and her family. |
| April 9, 2010 12:03:23 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Matt Goldman |
| Email: | groovejockey{at}yahoo.com |
| HomePage: | http://www.facebook.com/matthewlovesme |
| Comments: | Hi, My name is Matt and i was at the end of the March getting arrested peacefully at the DOE and subsequently went on to march from kings bay Georgia to Cape Canaveral to protest to test launch of the trident missile and from Portsmouth NH to Groton Ct. I was 17 in 1986 and this March changed my life. I'm so happy to find a group online. I know this is far fetched as there were so many people who were part of this and this is so long ago but i met the most beautiful friend through this. His name was John Wish and i have not seen him since that time. It would be so nice to find him. If you have any suggestions or places i might try let me know. I was a part of the young hippie contingent. God that was so great. I am still committed to bringing love into the world as best i can and i am very excited to hear about the things that are happening now that people who have been carrying on are up too |
| April 9, 2010 04:49:50 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | James |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8602449.stm |
| Comments: | Per Dubai- " It is Muslim in the same way that Houston is Christian"... Unless you want to kiss in public. See above. |
| April 8, 2010 18:46:55 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Joe Kinczel |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Thank you Diane for reminding me again why I love the GPM Guestbook. Good luck in Dubai. I just had a group from Bradley University return from there on a trip that I organized. Dubai is a very interesting place. It is very cosmopolitan and brand new built up from the desert with all the pluses and minuses that entails. It has folks from all over the world there. It is Muslim in the same way that Houston is Christian if that makes any sense to you. It is wealthy but with poverty too. I don't remember you from the march and probably you don't remember me, but I would love to hear from you when you and your family are in Dubai. My family and I are completing the last few months of a year-long adventure in Costa Rica before we move back to Colorado in July. Peace. |
| April 8, 2010 13:17:43 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Diane Licholat-Surati (Sarotte) |
| Email: | dsurati{at}aol.com |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Just ran across this website. I have lost touch with so many of you over the years. Living in Michigan (since 2006), married with an almost 7-year old son. My husband recently took a job in Abu Dhabi and we will be moving there (living in Dubai) after school gets out this summer. Plan to be there for a couple years. Been teaching in Montessori elementary past couple years - Peace Education is such a big part of the curriculum, don't know how I could ever be in any other education environment (teaching conflict resolution to young children is such a gift - for them and for me!) Became a quilter about 10 years ago and play with so many memories (including from 1986) in fabric. Keep on... Peace, Diane |
| April 8, 2010 03:53:08 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Joe |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | If I have time this coming week, I will call up the hosting company and see what the story is. I do not know why they are bothering Julia as they have been billing my card for a while now. |
| April 3, 2010 18:59:36 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Shanawa |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | |
| Comments: | Brought to you by author Nigel Johnson-Hill |
| April 3, 2010 00:33:21 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Paulien |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http://tcandm.wordpress.com/2010/03/30/credit-to-rosie-now-youre-mad/ |
| Comments: | Amen Evan! There IS a lot of love in this world. A lot of less appetizing stuff too, so I would like to join Julia in wishing you the good stuff. Have a wonderful easter weekend, you guys! |
| April 1, 2010 17:41:31 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Evan |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Thanks for the love comment, Julia. I'm getting worn down by all the hate. Of course, the Tea Party and their hate, the corporate defenders and their hate, but even stupid things...hate blogs about television shows...attacks on children by those wonderful people O'Reilly and Beck. Just so tired of hate. Even on this page, the anger builds. I've let it get to me here before, but now I am more careful how much time I spend here. Thanks, Julia. Good to know there's still a little love left in the world. |
| April 1, 2010 13:28:54 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | JuliaZ |
| Email: | juliaz{at}gmail.com |
| HomePage: | http://www.facebook.com/jziobro |
| Comments: | Barbara, Apparently they still have a truly ancient credit card on file for me... I paid for the site (mostly) until ~2006 or so... and I think that card has expired in any case. It is actually just an annoyance... but because I keep getting these messages, I needed to make sure that the site was not going to be removed if I did not pay, while making sure also that they were not being paid twice and not giving us appropriate credit. My husband is going to help move us to a cheaper site hosting company that uses 100% green power! Once Joe is back in the country, John and Joe will work on this. :-) Love to all, even if we do not totally agree about everything. |
| March 31, 2010 07:27:20 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Barbara |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Joe, What is the story with Julia also being billed? Did the company do it by mistake? Was it resolved? |
| March 30, 2010 15:06:54 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Joe |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Thank you Paulien for your generous contribution to the website cost. |
| March 30, 2010 14:35:02 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Paulien |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | There was one young woman on the march who taught me something really, really important: she said you could do anything for peace and it would work - dance for peace, bake a cake for peace, literally ANYTHING. Thank you, young woman, where ever you are now, I hope you are still dancing... |
| March 28, 2010 07:31:03 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Paulien |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | There were many other people on the march who turned out to be pivotal influences on the turn my life is taking, meeting Cobin Harney was a big one. He is gone now, but he left each of us he touched with a task to do what we can caring for life on this planet. Well, I am not traveling the world anymore these days, but the world now comes to me at my work. My job is teaching Dutch to immigrants, in itself wonderful work, helping people make sense of what is being said and being able to communicate. But there is more to it, the students themselves, teaching some of them to read and write, opening a whole new world for themselves. And the interaction between the students, they become friends - even the ones who in their country of origin were arch-enemies. So it turns out to be about promoting peace and justice in a new way. The justice part is also close to my heart. Specially teaching a group of women rescued from forced prostitution, sex-slavery. |
| March 28, 2010 07:27:18 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Paulien |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Sure Barbara, but what I would really like to do is tell how the past connects to the future, to the here and now. Of course my childhood experiences count for some, seeing so much of the world, and coming to see the planet and the human race as one, diverse as it is. But the march was also a much bigger influence than I ever realized when I was on it! I have a pretty sharp tongue at times and when I started out on the march I often criticized America and you Americans, till Ann Edelman took me to task about it one day, saying the way I went about it was hurtful and aggressive. That was not my intention, so I was floored by it, but she was right and it did get me started on finding other, much better ways to communicate. On the outreach bus there were these Quaker guidelines to public speaking, and they opened a new world for me. I am still opinionated and outspoken, but hopefully not in a hurtful way. |
| March 28, 2010 07:23:32 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Barbara |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | I hear you on that Ted. Much the same as I have been thinking these days. Pauline, I find your story very interesting. Can we hear more? |
| March 28, 2010 01:42:53 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Ted T. |
| Email: | tdthomas16{at}att.net |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Okay, back to basics.....Palin on her blog, had crosshairs on Democrats offices and the phrase "Don't retreat...reload"....no implications there?. How do we bring nonviolence back into the debate?. Civility is being used merely as a buzzword for "don't shoot at us" with "you lie" and "babykiller" used and apoligized for (wink,wink,nudge,nudge). I fear the rhetoric more and more each day....and the fear has gotten to me. And the immigration debate is gonna be a doozy...I think we should cap it at 1491 levels, but that may be unrealistic. And now the Indians (not the Native Americans) are cutting and running for home. Most Americans seem to be sitting it out and just watching from the sidelines, with only the haters posting everywhere. I post where I can, but I'm just one man. Anybody interested in opening a factory to build something?..oh, wait they took the Buy American bit out of the Stimulas Bill...so we should open it in China. Whatever happened to that planned community talk? |
| March 27, 2010 22:36:22 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Paulien |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Yes Joe, my Dad started out in a colonial law, needless to say that was a short-lived carrier! Being also a specialist in international trade laws he stayed on in an advisory capacity to the newly independent Indonesia. My Mom also worked at the embassy doing cultural exchanges. We traveled a lot, living three months at a time in various Asian countries. But most of the time we lived in Indonesia. The wars I saw were of course the war of Indonesian independence, but also on the Moluccan Islands, people fighting Indonesia for their own independent republic. Also in North Sumatra in Aceh, where the fighting still flares up from time to time these days. Also people fighting militias in struggles over the resources. Political struggles. In the end some 20 families from the island of Java wound up calling the shots, very much like in the Philippines. Their relatives got the important jobs on all the other islands and it still causes friction and bloodshed. |
| March 26, 2010 18:20:50 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Joe |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Paulien, I too am happy with the increased activity here. I fully respect Shanawa's right to live his life as he sees fit and I also have the right not to engage with him regarding Neo Tech or The Twelve Visions. As to your childhood, how did you start off in Indonesia, were your parents somehow part of the Dutch colonial presence there? What sort of fighting was going on there? It still seems so conflictual in Indonesia. Did you move around there a lot? At what point did you move back to Holland and how did that feel? I have so many questions, but don't want to pry. It feels like we are continuing a conversation that we started 24 years ago. |
| March 26, 2010 15:41:23 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Paulien |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Joe, you were also interested in hearing about my impressions on EU integration, but I am afraid I am still very undecided over many of the issues. But I could mention a few: I am not exactly happy with people representing only THEIR country in the European parliament. Also I think the expansion is going way too fast, I see a trend of opening up to our neighbors, but simultaneously closing up to folks from other continents. I am keeping a real close eye on EU decisions being made when it comes to refugees and immigration in general! When it comes to the economics of it, it is also a worry, especially in these hard times. Granted, the EU has done wonders for the quality of life in countries like Poland and Ireland, but not so for the Greeks. I find myself wondering if the common market can work out if it keeps expanding itself at this rate, it is so very complicated and bigger is not necessarily better... |
| March 26, 2010 15:24:52 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Paulien |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Though I love the discussion which has suddenly flared up on this page, I must admit being more than just a little appalled by neo think! But on another subject Joe, I don't mind talking about my childhood in South East Asia. Mostly Indonesia, more than 3000 islands, each with a subtly unique culture. Religiously very diverse: Hindi, Muslims, Christians and Animists. White beaches, black beaches, mountains and rain forests. Many languages, I have forgotten them now, but as a child I spoke dialects of Malay and Cantonese. Where I lived the folks were poor, but there were plenty of fruits and vegetables growing everywhere, and everyone shared, so there was no hunger. On most islands preparing food was considered an Art, and everyone was an Artist. In that way it a truly wonderful a childhood, it could have been paradise, but of course there was also a lot of war and fighting going on, the aftermath of World War II and the Cold War starting up. |
| March 26, 2010 13:50:40 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Joe |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | On yet another another subject, Darryl Purpose and Doug/Jani/Canyon McWilliams are coming down here to visit us for the next week or so. We will all go to visit Monteverde which was settled by US Quakers fleeing the Korean War draft. We will also visit Tabacon hot springs near Arenal volcano and then on to Samara beach on the Pacific Ocean. We can't wait as our kids are off school for the next two weeks for Easter break. We will be peace marchers on zip lines, in the jungle, in hot springs on a volcanic slope and on the beach and in the ocean. This is the march we signed up for! |
| March 25, 2010 23:11:51 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Joe |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | On another subject, what do folks think about immigration "reform"? It seems to be the next big issue and I am not particularly well educated about it. |
| March 25, 2010 11:53:50 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Shanawa |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | I walked across the nation on the Longest Walk to tell people about the need for a respect for nature. My poetry is based on that. Who are you to tell me how I should think!!! As far as exploitation you exploit every time you dig in your garden to plant food or turn on the faucet to get a glass of water. Every thing goes back to nature no matter what we make. If it is not maintained by humans it crumbles back to nature. We are the creators here on this plain of life, we create what we make and can solve any problem when we put our minds to it. So let's get off the race crap. As far as your hate for he, him and men I will not even bother with that. I had enough of that on the walk and thank creation that not all women think like you do on that level. If anyone wants to know more about what Neo Think is about then go to www.twelvevisionsparty.com On that web page Mark Hamilton speaks himself about the future we are building. |
| March 25, 2010 08:21:45 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Laura M |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | My goal is global nuclear disarmament. |
| March 25, 2010 07:05:00 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | JuliaZ |
| Email: | juliaz{at}gmail.com |
| HomePage: | http://www.facebook.com/jziobro |
| Comments: | Twelve Visions advances WEALTH, HEALTH and PEACE as their three goals. My three goals are different: HEALTH, HAPPINESS and PEACE. I do not think wealth leads to happiness. On the contrary, if you look around, you will see that many wealthy people are "free" on the surface, but they are desperately UNhappy, cheating on their spouses, addicted to drugs, or engaged in other self-destructive behaviors. Happy people are just happy. I'm more interested in that. You can have the wealth, brother, I just need enough to get by. |
| March 25, 2010 06:00:28 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | JuliaZ |
| Email: | juliaz{at}gmail.com |
| HomePage: | http://www.facebook.com/jziobro |
| Comments: | Shanawa, I expect more of you, my friend. If you are going to follow a belief system, you should investigate it thoroughly. You should read the writings of its leader(s). In twenty minutes of reading (I am a FAST reader) I had read enough to convince me of the illness of their philosophy. And they are NOT about empowering women; everything is "he" and "him" and "businessman" and "profit". Nothing about families, children, or looking out for others. We are at opposite poles and you will not get me to agree to be part of their incredibly selfish, wasteful system. It seems that they are against direct violence. Wonderful. Consider, however, that exploitation is another form of violence... it seems being Native American you would be personally, painfully aware of that. I wish you peace, but I am not interested in discussing this cult with you further. You are not informed enough about your own position to do anything but argue on the most surface level. |
| March 25, 2010 05:55:42 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Oh and Julia, As far as women are concerned just how do you think that Neo Think dose not want women to have rights. You are not listening!!! Neo Think is for the right of the individual to be free of initiatory force. So no one, No one can tell an individual woman what she can and can not do unless she uses initiatory force against another. Women are just as free and independent as men. |
| March 25, 2010 04:03:02 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Gene |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.unabomber/msg/f2a168a22e24b8d7 |
| Comments: | Check out website above. Fun and interesting! Discusses such questions as “Neo-Tech is a blend of New Age pollyanna promises, psuedo-science, and Objectivism.” 1. What is Neo-Tech/ZonPower? 2. Who is Dr. Frank R. Wallace? 4. Why does he use a pen name? 5. Who are the real people behind Neo-Tech? 7. What are the Neo-Tech publications? 8. How much does this stuff cost? 9. Did Wallace Ward (Frank R. Wallace) really spend time in jail? 11. Is Wallace Ward crazy? 12. Is Neo-Tech/ZonPower a cult? 15. Did Frank R. Wallace really write a book on how to cheat at cards? 16. Does Neo-Tech really claim that faster than light communication is possible? 18. Does Neo-Tech really promise unlimited power? 19. Does Neo-Tech really claim that consciousness controls existence? 20. Does Neo-Tech really claim that space aliens exist? 21. Does Neo-Tech really claim that the dead can be resurrected? 24. Who are the defenders of Neo-Tech on usenet? 26. Does Neo-Tech consider homosexuality wrong? |
| March 25, 2010 01:49:26 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Julia Z |
| Email: | juliaz{at}gmail.com |
| HomePage: | http://www.facebook.com/jziobro |
| Comments: | Shanawa said: "It is what I meant by saying that the majority in this country participated in this genocide, turned their back or remained ignorant." I have a few comments. I do not believe that most Americans have participated in the genocide against Native Americans. I say sometimes at work (usually in frustration) "I do not know what I do not know!" In other words, most of us are unaware of our areas of ignorance. Most Americans have some awareness that Native Americans have historically been treated very badly; many have some inkling that things are still not right, because we hear stories about alcoholism and poverty on reservations (and by the way, Twelve Visions would characterize nearly ALL Native Americans as "PARASITES"). But most of us have NO IDEA that these things are still happening. How should we find out? I found out about the Lakota freezing on Facebook but then I was treated badly. It was not a good way to begin, but it does not make me a committer of genocide. Peace |
| March 25, 2010 01:21:25 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | JuliaZ |
| Email: | juliaz{at}gmail.com |
| HomePage: | http://twelvevisionsworld.com/2009/06/16/the-following-excerpts-come-from-the-publication-%e2%80%9ct |
| Comments: | From the Twelve Visions platform, chapter 3. I most emphatically state that this is NOT the America that *I* want to live in... I just want you to read some of the stuff they are putting out there as desirable in their Wealth-Health-Peace propaganda. It is, quite frankly, disgusting to me. "America should be far ahead of all other countries, leading the way for the rest of the world into new realms of prosperity. The standard of living should be far above any other country, and the adults should be more wealthy than those in any other country...more wealthy than the Japanese...every American adult should be driving a new Cadillac and living in a quarter-million-dollar home!!!" The whole thing is available at the link posted with my post. I say again that I DO NOT agree with what I have posted here. In fact, to me, this sort of attitude is what is WORST about America, and why (go ahead, call me a communist, I do not care) I WANT America to falter and fall. The end of an empire, hooray! |
| March 25, 2010 01:14:20 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | JuliaZ |
| Email: | juliaz{at}gmail.com |
| HomePage: | http://twelvevisionsworld.com/ |
| Comments: | Reading the Twelve Visions stuff, it reads like a pure doctrine of "power over" instead of the much more peaceful "power with" that I try hard to operate from in my life. This Twelve Visions stuff is not for me. It strikes me as more domination, less care for others, less sense that we are all in anything together, and at least for me, it would lead to despair. And yet we are all interdependent, even if this Hamilton guy would like to deny it. We are all bound directly to this fragile little earth. Anything I take for myself is not shared with you and this might do you harm, wealth be damned. The resources are finite. Shanawa, you speak of wishing to have more voices of women involved in the discussion. The Twelve Visions material is some of the most male-focused literature I have read. Have you called them to task on this issue? Unemployed people are PARASITES? Have you actually READ this stuff? It is very toxic. I am sorry you are mixed up in it. |
| March 25, 2010 01:07:46 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Julia Z |
| Email: | juliaz{at}gmail.com |
| HomePage: | http://www.facebook.com/jziobro |
| Comments: | Shanawa, it is difficult to be friends with people who are convinced you are the enemy. I tried to do some work with the Lakota, who were freezing this winter, and was told that "we do not want blankets from white people, but you could pay propane bills if you wanted to." Our financial situation was such that OUR heat was turned off in February (ask Evan), but I wanted to share the abundance of blankets we had. What can I say? As for the Neo-Think folks, they are not a new way of thinking at all. It is the same old profit-driven, screw everyone else attitude that other groups have held. And by the way, the neothink website will almost give you a heart attack, there is so much going on there visually! LOL "Wealth - Health - Peace"? I can't believe you'd fall for an organization that builds wealth and health for rich people on the backs of poor people. What a huge disappointment. I have worked with the UN, by the way, and they are mostly kind-hearted people, not hacks. Peace |
| March 25, 2010 01:01:35 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Joe |
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| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Welcome back Evan. |
| March 24, 2010 20:52:18 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Evan |
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| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Yeah Gene, I asked her because the language told me something was up. :) |
| March 24, 2010 20:19:41 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | James |
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| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | "love and passion of our forefathers" eh? You mean the slave holding indian killing forefathers? |
| March 24, 2010 15:42:19 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Gene |
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| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | That was me, Evan! I found that post by Jill on the Internet while researching the Twelve Vision Party. I posted it to show how others in the movement speak just as Shanawa does. |
| March 24, 2010 15:11:18 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Evan |
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| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Jill, have you been to the page before? Are you a peace marcher? Tell us more about you. |
| March 24, 2010 10:01:19 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Jill |
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| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | I attended the Twelve Visions Party of New Jersey and found so many smart loving people. The presenters at the hall were all bubbling with hope for America. We saw a video address by Mark Hamilton, founder of the Neothink Society and The Twelve Visions Party. What loving men and mentors. They spoke of each of us in America becoming self-leaders yet following the party to success for all the People to join the greatest get rich program ever! It truly is. We will see prices drop and quality improve as America’s government is returned to its proper function of protection only. Not a social good country but one of individual freedom as planned by our forefathers. Mark Hamilton has the love and passion of our forefathers. He believes in men and women and knows how we can all prosper and live happily as we are supposed to. Thank you Mark Hamilton for believing in America and freedom for all. We must return to a place of prosperity or we fall harder than we now have. Sincere thank you Mark |
| March 24, 2010 06:18:08 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Gene |
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| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Shanawa, apparently, is involved in the Neo Tech movement and the Twelve Visions Party which look like a mishmash of Ayn Rand Objectivism, Scientology, a multi-level marketing scheme, and a cult. Check out http://www.ripoffreport.com/multi-level-marketing/nouveau-tech-secret/nouveau-tech-secret-society-no-ff85j.htm Do a lot more research on the Internet as well. Very interesting, but very sad also that one of our own has fallen into this snare! It reminds me of the time I ended up on a Moonie brainwashing farm in Booneville, CA. I managed to escape and I hope you do too, Shanawa. |
| March 24, 2010 06:13:51 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Julia Z |
| Email: | juliaz{at}gmail.com |
| HomePage: | http://www.facebook.com/jziobro |
| Comments: | Shanawa, I did not want to speak to the issues with the Indian Health Service because I have no direct experience with the system and do not know what the issues are. I am not denying that there are serious issues, and I do not understand why you are trying to alienate me -- I am likely to be your ally. I am sorry that you do not think the information I shared about the quality of the health and health care system here is legitimate. Do you know better sources than the World Health Organization and the United Nations? The numbers came from them. It is amazing to me that you speak of socialist nations (like perhaps France and the UK) as "crumbling" and failing, but imply that our allegedly-democratic nation is not crumbling. Many of the nations on the WHO list are major countries -- Japan, France, among others, with great racial diversity. I linked to the data so you can read it and think about it for yourself. I would argue that our nation is in as much trouble as they are. Peace. |
| March 24, 2010 00:44:48 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Julia Z |
| Email: | juliaz{at}gmail.com |
| HomePage: | http://www.nvic.org/vaccine-laws.aspx |
| Comments: | By the way, Shanawa, I challenge you to come up with a single documented case of people going to jail for not having their children vaccinated in the United States. My children are partially vaccinated on a schedule of my choosing. Every state allows exemptions to the vaccination program, and unvaccinated and partially vaccinated children can still go to school... though much of the school paperwork is misleading, I will grant you that. If we are going to work against state control of medical procedures that we do not like, it is best to do so in a factual way that does not exaggerate the real issues or reduce our credibility. I am opposed to the CDC vaccination schedule and believe that informed content DOES apply to vaccination, which also means that informed REFUSAL must be respected. This is a tough issue for many and hyperbole does not serve us well. |
| March 23, 2010 21:05:24 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | JuliaZ |
| Email: | juliaz{at}gmail.com |
| HomePage: | http://allcountries.org/health/usa_health_care_2008_nyt.html |
| Comments: | Shanawa, I am not going to dismiss your charges about the Indian Health Service. Clearly, things are not right there. However, it does not change a bunch of facts. Fact: The US spends a higher percentage of GDP on health care than any other country in the world (2004). Fact: The US is ranked 37th globally in overall health of its population and 72nd on the performance of its healthcare system. Fact: The US is ranked 24th globally in healthy life expectancy. Fact: ALL 20 of the top 20 countries on the World Health Organization rankings of national health have some form of socialized medicine. Results speak for themselves. Our "system" is a failure. Reform to a single-payer system is desperately needed. Single-payer does NOT require one to give up freedom, rights, or autonomy. Don't let the "tea-baggers" scare you out of something that would be good for everyone in our country. |
| March 23, 2010 20:42:28 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Evan |
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| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Horrible things. I hear you. You say take them to court. Court is government. But several things you mention are corporations, not government. I won't bore you, but I can come up with an equally horrible list just looking at toxic waste dumps/incinerators and nuclear waste on tribal lands. You say they wouldn't get away with it if it weren't for government. Really? Who will stop them? Rockefeller killed men, women, and children for protesting. Go to another company? They are merging and getting bigger and bigger. All sorts of products and services are only available to me from one company. If we don't control Monsanto, they'll control the entire world's food supply, eventually. I AGREE that government can do horrible things, but it can also be used for good. And I will never have a vote or a chance to be on the board of a multinational corporation. |
| March 23, 2010 19:41:07 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Joe |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | You go Evan. |
| March 23, 2010 17:22:34 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Evan |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | At least now these companies cannot take money from me and my family for years and years and then decide they don't "feel" like paying for my health needs. They have dropped cancer patients for having been a rape victim 20 years before. People arguing your points talk about "death panels" and "rationing" and "waiting in line". We have death panels and rationing. They are called insurance companies; and tens of thousands have died for their profits. As for waiting; are you kidding me? Almost everywhere in America it takes 2 or more months to get an appointment with a specialist. We can't get trauma care because our emergency rooms are filled with the poor. And in some parts of the country, no doctors will take new patients -- especially if they are poor. In this world today, I think you should worry more about corporate power than government power. At least with government we can vote and run for office. |
| March 23, 2010 16:18:10 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Evan |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Shanawa, I respect your opinion, but I could not disagree more. I don't like this health plan; it is deeply flawed. But I hope it's a beginning. You say government control? Do you know what's in the health plan? There is no public option. There is no government run plan. I know you don't say it, but I can't believe how many Americans cry and wail about government health while saying in the same breath; don't touch my medicare/medicaid/veteran's health. These ARE government health plans that have been with us for years. And recent surveys show more people are satisfied with the care in these programs than ANY private insurance. You talk about control. My health has been controlled my whole life -- by insurance corporations, concerned with nothing but amassing huge profits. Only government can balance the incredible power of these huge companies. And that balance has been sorely lacking my whole life. (continued) |
| March 23, 2010 16:13:15 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Joe |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Thank you Barbara Milazzo and Lori Shields for your generous donations to keep the site up and running. |
| March 23, 2010 14:52:26 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Joe |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Paulien, I am so interested in hearing about the places that you grew up. Are you willing to talk about it? Also, I am interested in hearing from you about your impressions on EU integration if you are willing. Thanks for your participation. |
| March 23, 2010 12:20:04 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Paulien |
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| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | I understand more than you can imagine, having grown up for the most part in third world countries with no regulating governments to speak of. What YOU don't understand is that freedom also means being free to make your own choices on doing things together, not just individually, but to work with others on making this a fine planet for all living things to thrive. Perhaps living below sea level for so many centuries has forced my particular culture to work together as way to survive, doing so without becoming a mono-culture politically. You call my way of thinking socialistic, I prefer the term autonomous. I feel free to make my own choices and though others around me don't always agree with how I see things, within the tribe I nevertheless get to make my own satisfying contribution. When you speak of freedom you sound like a victim. That's no way to live. Freedom empowers, try it. Take charge. Today. |
| March 23, 2010 09:41:36 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Paulien |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Take care my friend, do you really want such a deep fear of being controlled to keep you from sharing? |
| March 23, 2010 05:55:11 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Paulien |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | So glad for you all! There's something so inherently unfair about a system that leaves the health of a child depending on how much money the parents do or do not have. |
| March 23, 2010 03:10:02 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Evan |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Looking around the site....been a long while...a little quieter. Glad its still here. Joe, thank you for putting my feelings into words. Im glad the dems won...kinda like Kucinich having trouble voting for it...but I'm also so disappointed; feels like a big giveaway to the insurance companies. But medicare started off small. And we cant continue the Teddy Roosevelt, Nixon, Clinton pattern of ALMOST getting something then waiting forever for the next shot. Sigh. American politics and compromise...not satisfying at all. For me, personally, getting rid of the pre-existing conditions garbage will save my health. |
| March 22, 2010 20:48:55 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Joe |
| Email: | The system is broken. |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | There was a presidential candidate in the recent Costa Rican election who called himself "the least bad" (choice of 9 candidates). Folks here started to refer to him as "el menos malo". My congratulations/condemnation go out to the Democrats, are our very own version of the least bad, on the historic/histrionic passing/gutting of healthcare reform/sellout. I am positively/negatively over/under whelmed by their victory/defeat. US politics has become psychotic. Barack Obama says, "This is what change looks like." If the Who had to rewrite the lyrics for Don't Get Fooled Again, perhaps it would now end like this - "Meet the new boss - a lesser evil than the old boss." Change you can believe/bereave! |
| March 22, 2010 19:36:37 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | James |
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| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Agreed, Shanawa. The xenophobia that promotes Western civilization as the pinnacle of human achievement blinds us to genius's in many cultures. That said, I love Shakespeare and he is venerated in many cultures other than our own. |
| March 22, 2010 17:30:30 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Gene |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Well, there seems to be no doubt that a play called “Cardenio” was written and performed at the Blackfriars and The Globe theaters. It was listed officially with the Stationers Register. The full text of the play has not survived, though a couple of songs from the play do. It was written in collaboration with John Fletcher, the same guy with whom Shakespeare wrote “Henry VIII” and “The Two Noble Kinsmen.” “Cardenio” was based on a translation of Cervantes’ “Don Quixote.” I love it that “Cardenio” is counted among Shakespeare’s plays because with it (and “The Two Noble Kinsmen”) the total number of plays comes to 39, my favorite number since I was born in 1939. And Cervantes, the source of “Cardenio,” was born (or at least baptized) on October 9, a very special date for me. So yes, I say yes to “Cardenio.” |
| March 17, 2010 22:40:56 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | |
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| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Gene, what are your thoughts on the "lost" Shakespearean play based on Don Quixote? |
| March 16, 2010 16:46:57 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Joe |
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| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | The four of us spent a wonderful weekend watching the Arenal volcano erupt and soaking in a hot river that originates from deep within the volcano. The best part was doing it with the Hebner/Frabasillio clan. |
| March 15, 2010 20:57:50 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Joe |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Julia, my card has been automatically billed for this for the last two or mroe years. ash@igc.org Let's confer. |
| March 10, 2010 11:31:12 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Barbara |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Julia, Joe just said he was getting billed for this, "my credit card is automatically charged $41.95 twice per year for hosting and $19.95 once per year for domain registration." Is there double billing going on here? |
| March 10, 2010 06:35:35 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Julia Gosztyla Ziobro |
| Email: | juliaz{at}gmail.com |
| HomePage: | http://www.facebook.com/jziobro |
| Comments: | Hello friends... the bill to host this site has come due again. I need two things: 1) Someone needs to pay for 2010 hosting. I have gotten some donations in the past and have paid for it myself a few years. My family CANNOT afford to make this gift this year; my husband has been out of work for a year and things are quite difficult for us. 2) Someone fairly responsible :-) needs to take over as the billing contact for the hosting company. It is not a big thing, but it is necessary to keep this site and domain name alive. Thanks and I hope that everyone is doing really well. |
| March 10, 2010 01:03:11 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | James |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | I'm reminded of a story Bob Trausch once told. He was on his way to the test site for an action and he was trying to fill his van with local Chico-ans. A couple told him that they couldn't make it but that they'd "go with him in spirit". Bob told him if their bodies wanted to come he had room in the van but he wasn't "taking any spirits". |
| March 9, 2010 15:16:37 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Joe |
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| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | I love anonymous donations! |
| March 8, 2010 19:05:28 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | |
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| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Joe, Sending you some love in the form of cash. |
| March 7, 2010 16:32:19 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Rich Sickler |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | No I just wanted to put my two cents in. What the hell does that phrase mean anyway? Besides sounds like Laura is going to cover it thanks Laura. |
| March 6, 2010 21:05:20 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Joe |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | So does that mean you are going to contribute, Rich? |
| March 4, 2010 12:58:54 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Rich Sickler |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | And I used a calculator and still got it wrong. according to my recalculation it is 28 cents a day. |
| March 4, 2010 03:21:48 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Rich Sickler |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | That's .29 of one cent every day. Just thought I'd put my two cents worth in. |
| March 4, 2010 03:17:31 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Joe |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Laura, my credit card is automatically charged $41.95 twice per year for hosting and $19.95 once per year for domain registration. My address is Joe Kinczel POB 1754 Nederland CO 80466-1754. Thank you. |
| March 3, 2010 20:09:50 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Paulien |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Today we have city elections. I have decided to vote for the Party for the Animals. We have a site on internet where you can enter how you feel about certain issues and at the end of a very long list, your take on these issues is put into a graph and you can clearly see which of the 16 political parties that participate in this election gets the closest to where you stand. For the third time in a row this Party for the Animals turns out to be that one. The party I actually voted for in the last two elections comes in a close second. Those last two elections I laughed at the idea of voting for a political party that holds animal welfare central, but they are not a single-issue party and in the end it looks like the way this party sees us all living together in this city, in this country, on this planet, is almost identical to how I think we should do that. So I will vote for them this time, let them speak for me when collective decisions are made. |
| March 3, 2010 10:25:48 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | laura M |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Joe, How much does it cost and where should I send it? |
| March 3, 2010 07:06:39 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Joe |
| Email: | Put your money where your mouth is. |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | As an example of exactly what is being written about here let me refer to this guest book. Last year I paid the yearly hosting fee for the site and requested several times here that others contribute what they can towards the fee. I received a total of two responses on the guest book, but no money - not one dollar - from anyone. If we paid our taxes like that, nothing would be paid and nothing would get done. I do not mind paying federal taxes or state and local taxes either, but I just want to get something positive and helpful for me and my family from the federal government other than censored reports of dead bodies on the other side of the world and more corporate welfare to prop up the various industries sucking tax dollars out of the government with the connivance of our elected representatives. |
| February 28, 2010 22:39:19 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Barbara |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Shanawa, you said, "How about no taxation at all in a system where we all as individuals give to the cause we desire." This is unrealistic. One example- If the Dept. of Transportation in any state had to rely on charity and could not predict their budget then they would have a horrible time planning for road improvements. I could see a return of Mafia influence and exhtortion. They would be sure to divert funds from law enforcement so that they could rule. Only their companies would get contracts. I'm sure the Mafia would "give" to the courts too, so they would own the judges. There would be nobody to defend citizens from the bullies. Your idea requires thoughtful conciencious people everywhere. Humans are selfish by nature. It is our base survival instinct. We grow to share and are taught to consider others(or not). Without a predictable governmental structure supported by taxation we would have chaos and bullies contolling everthing. |
| February 28, 2010 20:28:54 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Ted T. |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | The mice have voted to bell the cat. With 300+ million citizens, representative democracy is a necessity...with technology, instant access to and accountability of our representatives is possible. Imagine every bill before congress being available for review by the public, with instant district by district feedback, and a forum where congessmen will have to justify voting against our wishes instantly rather than counting on us forgetting by the next election. An informed population is the foundation of democracy...not just whoever can get in the catchiest soundbite at the last minute. When your representative makes what you think is a bad vote, how do you find out how the district wanted him to vote? Internet? Newspaper? Daily Show?. |
| February 28, 2010 19:27:56 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Shanawa |
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| Comments: | No, it is neither anarchism nor democarcy. |
| February 28, 2010 18:10:31 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | James |
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| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Yeah, that's anarchism. And democracy. |
| February 27, 2010 17:31:04 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | James |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | ...or a truer representative system like in a parliamentary system as Pauline points out. |
| February 26, 2010 23:51:53 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | James |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Oh. So you're an anarchist, Shanawa? Anarchy simply means without leader. And people representing themselves IS democracy, just not representative democracy like we have in the U.S.. |
| February 26, 2010 23:50:31 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Paulien |
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| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Well, it's not exactly representation as long as you have a winner takes all election result. True representation would be in % of the votes. |
| February 26, 2010 17:48:03 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | James |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | We certainly are Joe, though it would be hard to prove in court. And besides, corporations are people just like you and me, remember? They're being taxed and represented. |
| February 26, 2010 16:42:50 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Joe |
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| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Are we talking taxation without representation, here? |
| February 26, 2010 12:27:04 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | James |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Well, our tax dollars don't get people elected. And that's the problem. ONLY our tax dollars should get people elected. |
| February 25, 2010 17:48:14 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Joe |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | I just want the best government that money can buy, James - our tax money. Call me hopelessly naive. |
| February 25, 2010 12:25:36 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | James |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Are those rhetorical questions, Joe? The nuclear and coal industries have paid good money to get Obama elected to every office he's served in. Now they'll get their money's worth. Obama said during the election that nuclear power was "on the table". |
| February 24, 2010 21:30:02 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Joe |
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| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Why did Obama pledge billions to finance the first nuclear power plant in decades? Bush/Cheney did not even do that. What is he thinking? |
| February 24, 2010 12:13:50 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | laura M |
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| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | "We must survive this nuclear threshold." Amen to that, Shanawa! |
| February 23, 2010 06:36:40 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Laura M |
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| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Hoo-ha has always been big business, which is why they keep throwing it in our faces and distracting us from what's really important: global nuclear disarmament. |
| February 22, 2010 07:15:37 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Gene |
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| HomePage: | http://www.randi.org/encyclopedia/appendix3.html |
| Comments: | Interesting fun this morning with 2012 business. It is a business. Look at incredible website (http://www.2012contact.com/): “In 2012, Our Planet Will Become A WAR ZONE – Will You Survive, Or Are You and Your Family Already Doomed?” This guy is selling a book, “2012 Contact: Are You Ready for It?” for $47.00. The site has a countdown clock for hours and minutes: 1033 days and so forth... "I’m Offering You One SINGLE Chance to Ensure Your Survival, and The Survival of Your Loved Ones.” Another website (http://2012apocalypse.net/) says “The 2012 Apocalypse is predicted by an intersection of Religions, Science, and Prophesies. Many Great Prophets, Religious Scriptures, and Scientific evidence point to a possible apocalyptic event happening in the year 2012.” It has fantastic photos. But my main man, James Randi, has an online “Encyclopedia of Claims, Frauds, and Hoaxes of the Occult and Supernatural.” There you can read about “Forty-Four End-of-the-World Prophecies - That Failed.” Above |
| February 21, 2010 18:41:54 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | laura M |
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| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Confirming the meaning of the word "apocalypse," It's synonymous with "revelation," as in when the magicians of old would say, "All shall be revealed." Supposedly the curtain will be drawn back, as Shanawa puts it, on or beginning on 12/21/12. If our solar system really is "pushing through" the astral plane of the Milky Way, it will be like a birth or emergence (but not an emergency). Personally, I do not ascribe to the hoo-ha about apocalyptic destruction (unless humans stupidly set themselves ablaze, which is, with 17.000 nukes still on the planet, an unfortunate possibility), and the Hollywood 2012 version is, I believe, created to distract people from learning the astronomical facts (though the special effects were awesome). If you believe the disaster scenario, better find yourself some high ground and pack a whole lotta pemmikan for the duration. If you believe the scientific version, gather some friends, light a fire in the fireplace, and celebrate a New Age. Peace out. |
| February 21, 2010 07:21:56 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Shanawa |
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| Comments: | Yes Ted land loards have there own time too. |
| February 21, 2010 01:43:12 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Ted T. |
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| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | This is all well and good, but my landlord will still want his rent by the 5th...and the 5th after that. |
| February 20, 2010 23:55:56 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Laura M |
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| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | The whole 2012 phenomenon is a point of personal fascination, so I have been gathering info, (though I have yet to stash 40 days worth of food and water). From what I can figure, Dec 21, 2012 marks not the end of the earth but the end of time as we have conceptualized it. Supposedly, time DOES exist outside the human realm, and it goes through huge cycles of expansion and compression, kind of like the universe is breathing. We are, according to this, um, legend, coming to the end of a cycle. Time will cease to compress and start to expand. Should be a nice feeling! By the way, there is also an actual astronomical phenomenon that will occur on that day: the "equator" of our solar system will cross the "equator" of the Milky Way. Seems like someone should invent a new dance, no? Peace and Love, yall... |
| February 20, 2010 13:55:49 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Joe |
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| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | In Costa Rica in 1948 the head of the military that was being abolished handed over the keys to his headquarters to the ministry of education. How is that for peace? My best guess is that the US will spend 1.75 trillion dollars on the military in 2010. How is that for war? It is a matter of dollars and sense - common sense. |
| February 19, 2010 18:26:37 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Ted T. |
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| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Interesting topic....I remember a long time back we discussed War and Peace...I remarked that War is easy to define (killing, etc.) but that Peace is harder, and that the absence of War wasn't sufficient as a definition. Similiar situation....Evil triumphs, misery and death are pretty universal...Good prevails...are the effects universal?. We all have our conditions for peace, personally it includes Celine Dion never recording again...probably conflicts with her peace though, see?.And as for Good winning, I'll settle for Better over Worse. And it was Dark Helmet who said "Evil will win, because Good is dumb" |
| February 19, 2010 16:09:54 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Joe |
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| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | That is interesting Shanawa, thank you. I did not know about these other meanings of the word apocalypse. I was using it to refer to global-sized, end-of-the-world disasters which is the only definition I ever had for the word. I certainly would love to see some movies that explore the ultimate triumph of good over evil. |
| February 18, 2010 21:12:59 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Joe |
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| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | How are you Barbara? Are your kids and your family doing well? |
| February 17, 2010 22:16:51 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Barbara |
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| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Gosh Joe, ya gotta wonder what Hollywood is doing to the psyche of our youth. I hope the desolate future story lines don't breed more, "take it while you can get it" behavior. Our planet can't sustain that. I'm glad Alexander recognizes that he has seen enough. Hope is essential. We need him to carry the flame into the future. |
| February 17, 2010 22:11:30 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Joe |
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| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | My son Alexander and I love to go to the movies and while we were home in Colorado we went to see a bunch of movies in Boulder. Many of them dealt with the future and almost all of them were relentlessly negative or even apocalyptic about the fate of the human species and the fate of this planet. The Road, 2012, Avatar, The Book of Eli and others all paint a desolate picture of the future that our children will inherit - clearly it is the zeitgeist in the USA. Alexander said to me, "Dad I don't want to see anymore movies like this for a while. Do you think that the world is going to end soon? Do you think that my future is going to be like that in these movies?" No, I do not Alexander. I think that we will forever continue to struggle for peace and justice in a world filled with greed, hatred and ignorance. This struggle is within ourselves as well as outside of ourselves in the world. In fact, there is no difference between the inner and outer struggle or inner and outer. |
| February 17, 2010 14:28:51 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | |
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| HomePage: | http://archive.cyark.org/2012-truth-fiction-and-the-popular-imagination-blog?gclid=CKmTiKHL-J8CFSYba |
| Comments: | But WHY does the calendar end in 2012? Are there no years after that? On what DAY does it end in 2012? Is there a day after the last day? Are there weeks and months after the last day? The Mayan Calendar, it seems, will be worthless very soon. Actually, there is a great website discussing all this, and it has a big, beautiful, terrific picture of "2012" the movie. See link above. |
| February 17, 2010 05:04:24 (GMT Time) |
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| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Don't worry bout it. Mayans say the world ends in 2012 anyway. |
| February 16, 2010 14:33:06 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Tall Bicycle Frank |
| Email: | ps{at}peeesse.p.s |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Republican Ticket: Palin/Armageddon 2012. |
| February 14, 2010 18:21:35 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Tall Bicycle Frank |
| Email: | busybusy{at}lalaland.wow |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Hello old friends hello. I am up to about an eye and four-fifths. I have been back at work after two weeks off. So much going on! We would be ready for a magnetic Focus that hugs the ground--those magnets only repel at a short distance, at least the ones I have held. Maybe it can harvest grain and bake bread as it skims along. Gene, I will be reading your learned disquisitions as time permits. Crystal is working hard and needing help to pass at the very tough Environmental Charter High School. Happy Valentine Day and may everyone find the love they wish for--without undue smugness from those of us who have. |
| February 14, 2010 18:18:32 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | James |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Well... such a cheery anonymouse. Call it blind naivete but I simply cannot imagine an America that would vote in Sarah Palin as president. I've been wrong before but I will hold on to that belief until the day she is elected President, at which point I will have to go "media-free" until I hear the all-clear siren to prevent my head from exploding 30 times a day... |
| February 12, 2010 22:01:47 (GMT Time) |
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| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | In 1976, Reagan received one vote in the electoral college. The vote was a protest of the electoral college. He chose Reagan because he thought that such an unlikely candidate would get attention. We're in the exact same place right now. Carter came in after Nixon/Ford; the Republicans fought him at every turn so they could say "see, Democrats can't do anything" setting us up for 12 years of repubs. Get ready for 12 years of repubs starting in 2012. |
| February 12, 2010 20:27:19 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Gene |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http://www.keoughshotsprings.com/index.html |
| Comments: | That is exactly the situation at a place in California. Keough Hot Spring (link above) is a resort outside of Bishop. Not luxurious as is Tabacün: you can stay in a cabin for $75 a night, in your own tent for $20.00 per night. Or you can pay $8 for a day pass. Not bad for soaking and swimming in full view of the magnificent Sierra Nevada Mountains! Still, most people prefer to use the run-off from the resort, what is called the Keough Hot Ditch which is FREE. Yes, Joe, I love hot springs so much – and I would hate a President Palin so much – that Tabacün would be a real possibility. But Palin or no Palin, you’ve given me a new dream and desire in life: I want to see lovely Tabacün, and even stay there one night for $260. |
| February 12, 2010 17:17:08 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Joe |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | The beautiful thing is Gene, that 100 yards down and across the road from the resort is an open spot where all the locals lounge in the same water for free! You can't stop the river! Green Valley/Tabacon here we come! As for Palin, anything is possible, right? I mean we had Reagan and then W for two terms each. I remember thinking that nobody would vote for a a bad actor with bad ideas like Reagan, but I underestimated the stupidity and self-destructiveness of my fellow Americans. I am still shocked about W's non-election as well. Anyway, Tabacon is amazing. |
| February 12, 2010 12:46:01 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Gene |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http://www.tabacon.com/ |
| Comments: | Wow! I imagined Tabacόn as a wild place in the mountains, an undeveloped hot spring one would have to hike and climb for miles to reach. I did a Google search, never expecting to find anything. But oh, man - what a website (above) it took me to! Tabacón Grand Spa Thermal Resort is a five-star chalet, one of “The Leading Hotels of the World.” I read that “The mineral-rich waterfalls and pools are kept warm naturally — anywhere from 80 to 104 degrees — courtesy of the active Arenal Volcano.” It has “twelve natural thermal spring pools and lagoons, waterfalls, exotic gardens and trails.” Take the virtual tour to see how fabulous this place is. Okay, after we find ourselves faced with a President Palin, why don’t all we Peace Marchers go down and live in Tabacόn Hot Springs in Costa Rica? It will remind us of the great time we had in Green Valley Spa, Utah. But that was free and Tabacόn is $260 a night |
| February 12, 2010 06:50:38 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Joe |
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| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Gene, I think that you would be very happy at Tabacon Hot Springs here in Costa Rica. It is truly amazing - the best that I have ever experienced. On the whole, the political experience in the US for my entire life has fluctuated between tragedy/catastrophe and comedy/farce. It really is time for another American revolution and I do not mean the revolution proposed by the Tea Party Nazis. |
| February 11, 2010 20:31:39 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Gene |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Yes, Joe! And it looks like we may soon have the results of an election that is both a comedy AND a tragedy – Sarah Palin. Then we’ll all follow you to Costa Rica. |
| February 10, 2010 15:05:38 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Joe |
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| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Costa Rica now has its first female president. Laura Chinchilla won the presidency on Sunday with about 70%-75% of the electorate voting. She split the popular and direct vote with 8 other candidates. Her party did not win a majority of the assembly seats and she will have to work with one or more other parties to pass legislation through the assembly. It was an interesting experience to witness another country's presidential election. I had seen a presidential election in the USSR. I have lived through a bunch of them in the US. I would have to say that Costa Rica's election was more democratic than those of either the US or USSR. The USSR's election that I saw was a comedy. Several in the US have been tragedies. That was for you Gene. |
| February 9, 2010 19:08:35 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Paulien |
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| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Well Ted, ik ben een volslagen idioot when it comes to computers! |
| February 7, 2010 09:28:49 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Ted T. |
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| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Noone, just was wondering what the Dutch was for utter... |
| February 5, 2010 20:13:42 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Paulien |
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| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Close enough Ted! Who's been giving you Dutch lessens? |
| February 4, 2010 18:00:29 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Ted T. |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Paaulien, would that be an Ontlokken Idiot. |
| February 4, 2010 05:17:44 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Joe |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | This Sunday Costa Rica will have an election for president, two vice-presidents and the legislative assembly which is one house of 57 seats. Oscar Arias has served two terms separated by some years and must leave office. There are four major candidates and five minor candidates for president. They range from Christian Communists (How do we wrap our heads around that Gene?) on the left to Social Democrats on the right. The furthest right would be considered a progressive Democrat on most but not all issues in the US. The front-runner is a woman, who is Arias' hand-picked successor. Her name is Laura Chinchilla. She is one of the two most right-wing candidates, but again most of the time she would fit right in with progressives in the Democratic Party in the USA. Costa Rica is very Roman Catholic and the church influences politics greatly, though it holds a progressive viewpoint on most social justice issues. However, abortion is illegal here thanks in large part to the Catholic church. |
| February 3, 2010 20:25:14 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Paulien |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Yes Joe, I too am pleased to see folks back on the page! Enjoyed your annual family letter very much, dear friend. Glad to hear you all are doing well adjusting to such a big change. I was wondering about Facebook, but for privacy reasons... besides that, also wondering how much time it would swallow up. Tried to send a very interesting map, but for some reason my new computer won't turn the damned thing into something you click on and it opens. Supposedly a computer for the complete idiot, I should have asked for one for the complete and UTTER idiot! Well, I am wondering what your comments are now. Much, much love you old peacemarchers! |
| February 3, 2010 08:39:14 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Paulien |
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| Comments: | amazing map: http://cohort11.americanobserver.net/latoyaegwuekwe/multimediafinal.html |
| February 3, 2010 08:14:14 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Barbara |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Gene, I heard on the radio that individuals can actually donate their skull, post mortem, to Shakspearian theatre groups. I immediately thought of you continuing on after death, center stage, in Hamlet. |
| February 3, 2010 05:22:55 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | James |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Yes, Prince Hal has left behind his youthful liberalism to take on the conservative mantle of power. |
| February 3, 2010 00:29:29 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Gene |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http://www.authorsden.com/visit/viewarticle.asp?AuthorID=11997 |
| Comments: | Ah yes, Joe! You tell it just the way it is. I will be doing the same in an address to the Unitarians here in Rossmoor. “Love or War: Shakespeare and Obama on Saint Valentine’s Day” is the name of my talk. You can read it at the link above. |
| February 2, 2010 16:36:02 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Joe |
| Email: | Sunny and Warm in Heredia |
| HomePage: | http://thekinczelscostaricanadventure.blogspot.com/ |
| Comments: | Glad to see folks back here. This forum suits me better than Facebook, though I am trying to use Facebook more. Obama's main accomplishment which was a huge historical achievement was to get elected president. Of course he has an impossible job and unfortunately he is doing terribly at this impossible job. He has erred towards the right on every major issue. He has poured our money into the top of the economy through the criminal banks. He has opted for a health care plan that primarily benefits large medical corporations of all types. He has seriously ramped up the world war of terror on Islam. His Nobel speech was an abomination. His state of the union speech was another attempt to reach rightwards out to Republicans who have no coherent or consistent ideas and have turned away every overture and voted as a unified block against every major Obama initiative. It seems that the real opposition to Obama's policies are Democratic progressives whose ideas have been ignored. Viva Kucinich! |
| February 1, 2010 14:39:39 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | They made Obama a janitor, cleaning up the horrible mess from the eight year frat party called Bush/Cheney. Spilled drinks everywhere, drunk guests on the floor--vomit, pee. Of course, the Republicans tell us he made the mess when he wasn't allowed at the party. They also say he is doing a lousy job cleaning. |
| January 30, 2010 19:06:10 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Ted T. |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2010/01/29/notes012910.DTL |
| Comments: | America gives black man worst job....ever. |
| January 30, 2010 07:49:47 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Barbara |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | James and Ted, that is just so funny! |
| January 30, 2010 07:25:44 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Ted T. |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | HUMMER flying car...with electro grill bumper....with bacon chute glove compartment...and teflon console serving tray..I am so there. |
| January 30, 2010 07:12:04 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | James |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | No Ted, we'll all have force fields by then to protect us... our main concern will be to not hit all those pigs. With wings. Flying. |
| January 30, 2010 00:48:00 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Ted T. |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Have to say, given how badly people drive in a 2-D environment, imagining a 3-D scenario (flying cars) is just scary. |
| January 29, 2010 19:11:24 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | James |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Nah, I sign my shit. I tend to agree with the anonymouse though, anyone f--k with my desert hide outs and they'll get my monkey wrench right up their bulldozer. |
| January 29, 2010 18:15:26 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Anti-Gravity? Flying Cars? Bring It!!!!! |
| January 29, 2010 08:40:40 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | "proposes turning the deserts green by using etheric weather engineering technology" This sounds horrible. Desert ecology is so very valuable. What a crazy idea to further alter the natural ecology of the desert to serve human demands. That is not a solution. It is destruction. |
| January 29, 2010 05:10:23 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | OMG!!!!! Seriously? Anti-gravity? Study a little science, not science fiction and you'll understand how ridiculous that is. |
| January 29, 2010 00:32:23 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Ted T. |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Still here...for a while. Have been resisting the social network thing after all the rising and falling (friendster, myspace, etc.) and coming and going...how long will facebook last? and privacy issues concern me, and how much time did I waste getting rid of friend request from people just looking for high numbers?. Also there's a bit of "this is our thing" mentality involved...but I got the same way on the March after Chicago. |
| January 27, 2010 21:51:45 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Naneki |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | We're still HERE...kind of sort of...oh dear Facebook has taken our souls... |
| January 25, 2010 16:20:23 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Rasta Erich |
| Email: | hungryisthetiger{at}yahoo.com |
| HomePage: | http://www.meetup.com/atlantaportuguese |
| Comments: | ACtually my name is Erich Coleman, but who would remmeber that. I have nothing of the march but memories. I walked from Youngstown OH to the end. Fantastic journey! I don´t expect to get in touch with anyone after all these years, But I do remember Anna from time to time. Happy Birthday Anna...lol. Erich |
| January 20, 2010 11:52:06 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | James |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Johnny the Pluntz! Wow, never knew I had anything to do with your decision. Glad you went for the ride anyway. |
| January 19, 2010 20:24:49 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | John Pluntze |
| Email: | writestuffidaho{at}gmail.com |
| HomePage: | http://www.sunvalleyonline.com |
| Comments: | Hi everyone!! John Pluntze (I co-managed our wonderful white bookmobile and did PR, too, on 1986's GPM) here in verrry snowy Ketchum-Sun Valley Idaho. Feeling kinda stupid & arrogant that I let THIS MUCH time pass before making any real concerted effort to re-establish ties with others on that genuinely amazing 10-month long GPM in 1986, but hey, better late than never, right? VERY anxious to reconnect with James Knight & Kim Voigt (who probably had AS MUCH to do with me ultimately joining and staying with the GPM as anyone!!), and also Sadna & Cynthia (STILL in Santa Barbara?) Sue Lipsky (on her boat?), Jim & Verna (also of the Bookmobile) & anyone else out there who remembers ME even if I cannot recall the names. Very happy here! Not married and no kids. Embarked on a 14-month long trip around the world in the 1995-96 (after working/living in the British Virgin Isles for a year) and then returned again to Ketchum 1996. -John Pluntze POB 5134 Ketchum, ID 83340-5134 (208) 7 |
| January 19, 2010 14:37:00 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Well the site is back up -- did anyone notice it down? R.I.P. Peace March Page. I HATE *&*#@$%# Facebook. |
| January 19, 2010 00:42:46 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Barbara |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Don, It is at http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/group.php?gid=19248698462&ref=ts You can friend me too. Barbara Milazzo (was Cone) FRANK, my dear, take care of yourself. Matthew says that if you want to get on Facebook, ask Crystal, she'll know. |
| January 13, 2010 15:02:20 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Tall Bicycle Frank |
| Email: | lalatobuffandback{at}lax.zap |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | We Sahlems do not know from Facebook, but I guess it is ready for us. We had a wonderful family Christmas in Williamsville NY--ten at the table, for the first time in many years. Cyrstal got her first dayslong snow experience. Even the flying went very well, thanks to Southwest and clear weather. Then last Thursday I needed an prompt operation to fix my right retina. I will need a week plus at home to recover; I am up to about an eye and a quarter at this point. It has all been painless enough, thanks to Kaiser. Kaiser and Southwest are much alike. Everyone is very competent, in part because they are very busy. But everyone is very relaxed and friendly and egalitarian. We feel very comfortable with them. |
| January 13, 2010 03:03:21 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Don Preister |
| Email: | donaldpg{at}msn.com |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | I just got on Facebook. Now how do I find the March page? |
| January 11, 2010 22:36:02 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Don Preister |
| Email: | donaldpg{at}msn.com |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | I just got on Facebook. Now how do I find the March page? |
| January 11, 2010 22:33:26 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Barbara |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | I think many of us, and more, are communicating in Facebook now. This site has gone so quiet. If you haven't created a facebook page yet... you really should. |
| January 11, 2010 06:58:42 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | frank |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Happy 2010 to all the Peace marchers. |
| January 1, 2010 06:21:44 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Naneki |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Happy Birthday Joe!!!! |
| January 1, 2010 01:44:40 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Ted T. |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | CRAP!!!...Joe, was filing year end stuff and found the letter($) I was supposed to send you in Sept. under a bunch of "bills, paid" stuff. Sorry, will drop it in the mail tonite. |
| December 31, 2009 00:14:15 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Ted T. |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9fitr_mountain-top-removal-what-do-you-st_travel?from=rss |
| Comments: | The above sends you to a mountain top removal piece with poetry by Sarah Seeds. |
| December 26, 2009 00:29:36 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Naneki |
| Email: | peace{at}last |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Fellow Marchers, please send big love to our dearest Jack Mento, surfer Jack, Kaimana as he just lost his Mother... Jack was with her when she died. Blessings to all and peace in this Holiday Season. |
| December 14, 2009 16:43:30 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Paulien |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Hey James, this truthdig site is great! I've been enjoying their Financial Meltdown 101 this weekend. Thanks! |
| December 6, 2009 10:17:02 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | James |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http://www.truthdig.com/cartoon/item/peace_removement_20091129/ |
| Comments: | See above cartoon. |
| December 2, 2009 16:22:03 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Paulien |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-moore/an-open-letter-to-preside_b_373457.html |
| Comments: | Yes James, this is very very very disappointing! |
| December 2, 2009 05:28:08 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | James |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | How many more atrocities does Obama have to commit before I can stop "giving him a chance" and state my opinion openly without the terrified "shush" of democrats. Afghanistan, the land mine treaty, pesticide execs in charge of agriculture. The great thing about Republicans is that they never disappoint me. |
| December 1, 2009 22:27:17 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Paulien |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Hey Ted, we don't have Thanksgiving here, but after reading Abe's words, I am thinking we are missing something. Not the eating turkey, but the spirit of it. Hope you had a wonderful one, my dear friend. |
| November 28, 2009 21:20:29 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Shanawa |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | |
| Comments: | Thank you for Giving every one. Whatever you eat may it make you happy to eat. |
| November 26, 2009 22:29:48 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Ted T. |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http://www.classicallibrary.org/lincoln/thanksgiving.htm |
| Comments: | Happy Thanksgiving everybody. Thought the above might be appropriate given the times we live in now...stay hopeful |
| November 26, 2009 19:59:38 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | |
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| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Cheese is mold |
| November 26, 2009 06:26:59 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Ted T. |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Thank you Paulien, that was beautiful. |
| November 25, 2009 23:07:47 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Paulien |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | the desire for peace is alive and well and expressing itself beautifully: http://vimeo.com/4396617 |
| November 24, 2009 22:11:21 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Bill O |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Nice article about GPMer Donna Love in the Santa Cruz Sentinel: http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/localnews/ci_13797455 |
| November 18, 2009 20:35:25 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Naneki |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Hey all you Peace Marchers out there, let's send our dear surf reporter, Jack Mento some huge waves of loves as he goes back home to be with his Mom who is in the last stages of this life. Big Aloha to you Jack and safe journey. Feel the strength from the many who love you. These are the delicate moments that make our life. May your Mother transition in peace. |
| November 18, 2009 20:09:06 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Ben Atherton-Zeman |
| Email: | benazeman{at}hotmail.com |
| HomePage: | http://www.voicesofmen.org |
| Comments: | Happy November 15 to my Great Peace March Family! Remember walking into Washington, DC twenty-three years ago? I sure do - thank you all for changing my life! |
| November 15, 2009 11:00:14 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Ted T. |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | LeAnn, my heart goes out to you....I wish you comfort in this time of sorrow. |
| November 9, 2009 02:54:27 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Naneki |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Dear fellow marchers, in case you hadn't heard, LeAnn posted that her mother passed away. Mary Louise Norcross died of ovarian cancer. Yet another Marcher marches on...:{ |
| November 2, 2009 15:05:58 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Ann Edelman |
| Email: | annunicorn{at}aol.com |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Hello, everyone. Gene and June just visited for a couple of days (it was great to see them!) and Gene helped me set this up on my favorite list. I am sure some of you know that I am a computer dope. Anyhow, I haven't had a chance to read everything, but wanted to write something about Coleen, and her very wonderful, very moving kick-ass memorial party. It was just like Coleen to leave that provision in her will. It was such a shock when she died, even though she had been so ill for so long. She was a terrific person, we loved her, and in spite of her illness, she never lost her humor and her intense interest in people, politics and life. :The party was a real tribute to her, and to all the people she was involved with in her life. There must have been over 200 people there, including lots of peace marchers, and many from the deaf comunity. We will miss her terribly. |
| October 28, 2009 18:40:05 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Ted T. |
| Email: | tdthomas16{at}att.net |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | A bit more explanation to my last post from an earthquake news site -In an emergency long distance phone lines often begin working again sooner than local phone lines. This means that your out-of-state contact is a great way to see if your family is okay. If everyone calls and reports to the contact then they can call the people you want to keep informed of your situation. Make sure everyone in your family knows the number of the out-of-state contact. Don't count on your cell phone. The increased traffic on cell phone networks can quickly overload wireless capacity. But text messaging uses a different part of the cell phone network and it may be possibler to send and receive text messages even if phone lines are jammed. If possible avoid making non-urgent phone calls after a disaster because the increased trafrfic can jam phone circuits. Make sure you have phone in your house that does not require electricity |
| October 20, 2009 06:13:49 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Ted T. |
| Email: | tdthomas16{at}att.net |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Our Loma Prieta test just failed (surprisingly tech unsavvy friend). We need someone to act as our backup out-of-state contact post-earthquake. We do a test around April (1906) or Sept. (1989) as it occurs to us. ping me at the above to get our #'s (cell towers get jammed, but text messages wait for an opening).Thanks Sagans |
| October 19, 2009 03:40:31 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Joe |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Thanks Barbara. So then how was the party for Coleen? How is the family? |
| October 9, 2009 11:52:17 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Barbara |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Mellow. Because the Kick Ass Memorial was on Saturday many of the "day trippers", like the Edelmans, went there insted. We didn't have our regular Saturday night "pot luck" and birthday cake because there was GREAT food at the memorial. Some regular folks, like CJ and the Sahlem family stayed in a hotel this year. We had a visit from Carlos and Mariana DeLaFuente for Friday night and Kathleen Taylor stayed Saturday. The Sahlems, CJ and Rachel, and Tracy Brown and her partner Lane visited a couple of time through the weekend. All told there were 25 people who either visited or stayed in camp. |
| October 8, 2009 14:40:41 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Joe |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | So how was the reunion? |
| October 7, 2009 20:42:49 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Paulien |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | So how was the weekend and the party to honor Coleen? You have no idea how much I thought of you all and wished I could have joined you in paying respect. |
| September 30, 2009 12:35:57 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Tracey Brown |
| Email: | MyOwn2Feet{at}aol.com |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | I am shocked and devastated by this news. I have canceled my plans for the weekend and will be at both the Reunion and the party to honor Coleen. I have not been able to come to the reunion for many years because it conflicts with the Folsom Street Fair but her passing changes priorities for me big time. I look forward to seeing you all Friday and Saturday. Namaste, Tracey (CA State Peace March, 1988) |
| September 23, 2009 23:23:01 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Jypsy Jim |
| Email: | eco-ark{at}hotmail.com |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | The computer went down yesterday, delaying my search for a ride to the Cali reunion from the L.A. Area. Just in case something offers itself at the last minute, I can be reached at 714-826-5241 until mid Thursday. Hope to see many of you there. |
| September 23, 2009 18:50:33 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Rich Sickler |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Reunion at Lake Casitas spaces G-20,G-21 and G-22 are reserved in my name Richard Sickler from Thursday until Sunday. This Campground does lock the front Gate at 10:00 pm so keep that in mind. |
| September 23, 2009 16:18:16 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | To prepare for Coleen's "Kick-Ass Memorial Party" on Saturday the 26th, please join us for a work party at her home on Thursday to clean and... organize the house and yard. Come anytime, stay any amount of time...some food and drinks available. 9:00AM Thursday, September 24th Location:Coleen's home |
| September 23, 2009 01:10:05 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | evan austin |
| Email: | evanjaustin{at}gmail.com |
| HomePage: | http://www.kiva.org/team/gpm |
| Comments: | Julia Gosztyla Ziobro says via Facebook: partly in honor of Coleen Ashly, and partly because I've been thinking about it for a while, I've created a Great Peace March community on Kiva.org (link above). Join the community and have your loans be counted! Unlike the GPM, we'll be able to see some of the ripples from our work. :-) |
| September 22, 2009 20:18:57 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | evan austin |
| Email: | evanjaustin{at}gmail.com |
| HomePage: | http://www.ojaipeace.org |
| Comments: | The Ojai Peace Coalition - of which i am the director and which Coleen has supported strongly since its creation in 2005 - awarded its third annual "Noble Peace Prize" to a local shero last night in Ojai. In Coleens declining health she has long been unable to participate in activism in the same ways that she used to, and so Jessie and i asked her to cast a vote for this years NPP honoree. she was thrilled to do this, and weighed the decision very carefully. this was one of her last acts of peace activism, and the person she voted for received the award. i will post a link to the video when it is available. |
| September 22, 2009 15:52:49 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Barbara |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | The California annual GPM Reunion is also this weekend at Lake Casitas. That is only a few miles from Coleen's house and the Kick Ass memorial party. Bring a tent and a sleeping bag. Join us in the "G-Grebe" campground. Coleen's timing is pretty amazing. What style. |
| September 22, 2009 14:07:52 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Barbara |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Coleen's Kick-Ass Memorial Party September 26, 2009 2:00 PM, Coleen's home, 111 N. Pueblo, Meiners Oaks, CA 93023. You knew Coleen; you know she loved to host and attend parties! Her Will specifies that a catered party be held at her home in her honor, with libations and "good, bad, and ugly" story-telling. Please join us for precisely that, and stay til whenever! It will be very helpful for food-and-drink planning if you would please RSVP to jaustinrn@gmail.com, 805-640-8478, or 714-328-8155. If you have physical items (photos, trinkets, notes, etc) that help describe Coleen's life, please bring them to help create a Memory Wall. |
| September 22, 2009 14:03:10 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Steven Klein |
| Email: | See my web page for contact info |
| HomePage: | http://stevenjklein.net/ |
| Comments: | I just read an email from Julia telling me the sad news. Years ago I told Coleen how much I appreciated her continued friendship after my change of politics seemed to divide me from many of my GPM friends. Of course, I didn't know how few years left she had, but I'm glad I told her when I had the chance. Let this serve as a reminder to us all to share with our friends how much we appreciate them. May G-d comfort us all on this occasion of our shared loss. |
| September 22, 2009 02:53:58 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Ashly & Austin families |
| Email: | jaustinrn{at}gmail.com |
| HomePage: | http://www.sympathytree.com/coleenashly1950 |
| Comments: | the family of Coleen Ashly regrets to inform you that Coleen passed away in her home on Sunday September 20, 2009. We invite you to please visit the memorial website linked here to post your own stories and photos to help memorialize her. |
| September 21, 2009 22:17:58 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Jypsy Jim |
| Email: | eco-ark{at}hotmail.com |
| HomePage: | |
| Comments: | Still seeking a ride from L.A. area to the Cali. Reunion. Anyone going up? |
| September 21, 2009 21:26:21 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Joe |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Oh no. No, no. |
| September 21, 2009 20:05:10 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Barbara |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | It is true HOWEVER, the family wants time to make an official announcement. As I understand they would like some quiet patience. Let hold each other and stay still for a bit before we light up the internet too brightly. Thanks |
| September 21, 2009 19:56:40 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Gene |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | This is incredible or terrible or... – how can this be??? Coleen was an institution on the Peace March; she was the center of all things GPM in So. CA. I just called Dick Edelman to see if he knows anything. He says yes, she’s been sick for a long time with emphysema. What a loss! Insupportable! |
| September 21, 2009 19:17:48 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Jypsy Jim |
| Email: | eco-ark{at}hotmail.com |
| HomePage: | http://www.facebook.com/pages/Zen/126204511319?ref=ts# |
| Comments: | Richard called to give me the news by phone last night. He was planning on visiting at her place for a few days before the Cali. reunion. If it is a rumour then it is a pretty powerful one. It is my impression that Dennis was his source for the information, but I could still be happily incorrect. |
| September 21, 2009 19:03:38 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Naneki |
| Email: | Coleen's Death |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | I just read on Facebook that Coleen Ashly died on Sunday. Is this terrible news true or is it just a sick rumor. Can anyone verify...hopefully you can Coleen by posting that you are "still here!" If it is true my heart is so saddened by the loss of another fabulous peace lover. |
| September 21, 2009 17:58:21 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Paulien |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Well, living in a country where everyone has to have medical insurance, I looked for those long lines of people waiting for medical care, but sorry to burst your bubble Shawana, I did not see them. The social thing about our system is that everyone pays, the unemployed pay very little, but they still pay. Folks who earn more, pay more. As a result, every child in this country can go to the doctor when needed. Every adult as well. We see it as a right. |
| September 21, 2009 16:01:00 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Ted T. |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Shanawa, how unlike you! Obama was adopted by the CROW Nation, not the BLACKFOOT!...we happen to be bitter enemies. And I assume every tribe will make their own stickers...but then we could just forget that sad plea. |
| September 20, 2009 16:25:58 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Gene |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Michael Moore is the man! Our Grandparents for Peace chapter here showed his "Sicko" in our movie theater just last week as part of our push for "socialized" health care. And on our weekly vigils we hold up signs saying MEDICARE FOR ALL and such like... I can't wait to see his new movie in which he concludes that capitalism is evil! |
| September 20, 2009 15:25:20 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | James |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | I feel that the Obama health plan falls far short of what we need in this country. That said, your words Shanawa indicate that you pay more attention to the right pundits than to the bill itself. Obama's plan does not intend to deal with anything near "100 percent" of the american public, just the minority that are uncovered, suffering and dying from neglect by the existing greed based system. America's health care system is ranked 37th in the world for a reason. Only the rich get decent health care here and only the rich come here from other countries for health care. I will trust a government program that includes compassionate provisions (no excluding persons with pre existing conditions) over a program that is based solely on greed and routinely condemns people to death for profit. |
| September 20, 2009 13:27:51 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Yes Europe and Canada have socialized medicine but look at the lines they have to wait in for minor treatment, look at the waiting of months, even years to get specialized treatment. People around the world come here to the U.S. for their treatment. People from Canada and Europe come here for treatment. A few weeks ago when I was at a Pow Wow at Day Break Star in Seattle I met a woman from France who said we have so much more freedom here when it comes to health care. She stated that in France, if she does not get her child the shots that the state dictates her child can be taken away from her and she could be charged for child neglect and abuse. She said the freedom here is that it is up to the parent to make the choice with no repercussion of being in jail and having a record because one don’t believe the shots that are given are good for you. |
| September 20, 2009 06:56:37 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Ted T. |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | The "birthers" and the rest of them are just the bottom of the barrel. While a majority of Americans are mostly sensible, reasonable, and concerned (mostly? often? sometimes? often enough? once in a blue moon?) and voted the man in....this election has exposed a truly hateful, scared, and racist slice of America (of course if you ask them, noone will say it's about race). that is amazingly vocal (but given way too much attention by the supposedly "liberal" media). Why are conspiracy nutjobs (and Ann Coulter) given equal time to profess the idiotic as though it merits serious consideration?. Just like Obama seeking bipartisanship rather than ramming the House/Senate/Presidency mandate we gave him down the Repugs throats (like BushCo would've), we tolerate intolerance in the name of getting along. If you're going to yell "I want my country back!" it better be in Blackfoot. |
| September 19, 2009 21:54:35 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Joe |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | It is painfully obvious that the real issue is that the president is an African-American. Those who would claim that he has somehow been lying about his citizenship for almost 50 years would not be troubled by constitutional arguments nor would they care about the citizenship of his mother whom they would consider to be a race traitor anyway. This is all thinly disguised racism regardless of how much such people spew about the president being a racist or a liar or a socialist or a Muslim. It is all very reminiscent of the charges that Martin Luther King was a communist. It is all very reminiscent of those people who called us communists and dupes when we walked across the US for nuclear disarmament. At this point, I do not wish to engage directly with such hatred and willful ignorance. If people want to remain rooted in hatred and ignorance and fundamentalism of one sort or another, then for them the world really is flat and no amount of rational argument will make any difference. |
| September 19, 2009 21:16:57 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | James |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Thank you Laura. Yes, read the constitution and stop reading/watching Fox news propaganda. |
| September 19, 2009 16:20:39 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Laura M |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Hello, Friends, The US Constitution says that the president must be a "Natural born citizen." The term refers to anyone born within the US or its territories, OR anyone born of an American citizen. Since Obamas mom is an American citizen, her son, Barak, is, too, and constitutionally he would be a "natural born" American citizen whether she gave birth to him in Kenya, in Hawaii, or on the moon. Please, please, read the Constitution. It is so worth the time and effort to know our plan of government. |
| September 19, 2009 16:11:33 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | nancy |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | oops-it was me that said we do know the truth- the truth being the REAL birth certificate that he has already produced- i didnt mean to be anon- i cant believe the "birthers" and "death panel" people- do you think that they even believe the bs they are spouting? or do they just hate on obama so much that they'll say anything to try to besmirch him? and if its the latter, how much do you think race plays into it? i am truly baffled by it. |
| September 19, 2009 15:20:02 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | James |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Time to take credit for you posts, folks. It feels like we've been hacked by Glenn Beck. If that's not a marcher I'd like to see it removed. |
| September 19, 2009 03:22:58 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | ummm. we DO know the truth about where he was born |
| September 19, 2009 00:02:26 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | The judge, who is a former U.S. Marine, repeated several times that this is a very serious case which must be resolved quickly so that the troops know that their Commander in Chief is eligible to hold that position and issue lawful orders to our military in this time of war. He basically said Obama must prove his eligibility to the court! He said Americans deserve to know the truth about their President! |
| September 18, 2009 23:26:04 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Federal Court in Santa Ana in the lawsuit against Barack Obama to determine his eligibility to be President and Commander in Chief.Judge David Carter refused to hear Obama’s request for dismissal today, instead setting a hearing date for Oct. 5, since Obama’s attorneys had just filed the motion on Friday. He indicated there was almost no chance that this case would be dismissed. Obama is arguing this lawsuit was filed in the wrong court if you can believe that. I guess Obama would prefer a “kangaroo court” instead of a Federal court! Assuming Judge Carter denies Obama’s motion for dismissal, he will likely then order expedited discovery which will force Obama to release his birth certificate in a timely manner (if he has one). |
| September 18, 2009 23:25:40 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Jypsy Jim |
| Email: | eco-ark{at}hotmail.com |
| HomePage: | http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?topic=41134&post=758571&uid=19248698462#/pages/Zen/126204511319 |
| Comments: | Plans changed and my ride fell through. Anyone going to the reunion from the L.A./O.C. area? I am coming from the border area (Cypress) |
| September 18, 2009 21:43:02 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Marc |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | |
| Comments: | hoo boy. An anonymous America hater on the peace website. |
| September 18, 2009 18:14:03 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Yes Paulien, he is smart, decent, hardworking. That's why so many Americans don't believe he is American, believe he is a communist, believe he is coming by force to take our guns away, believe he is a terrorist, believe his health plan is intended to kill the elderly. I am so tired of America and Americans. |
| September 17, 2009 12:10:39 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Paulien |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Almost spilled my coffee when I opened my newspaper this morning to read Obama wants to cancel the Missile Defence program here in Europe. Yes! Looks like you finally got a smart guy in the White House! |
| September 17, 2009 08:33:27 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Laura M |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Hey, Yall, Thanks to Chad Meyers, Clevelander-in-the-know, I can offer Punderson State Park in Cleveland as a great option for the 25th reunion site. They have cottages (26 cottages sleeping six people each), almost 200 tent sites, and a lodge, all located around a lake. Punderson State Park is located about 30 minutes from Hopkins International Airport, the main airport in Cleveland, and the site is about the same distance from downtown Cleveland. See what you think of this site for our reunion and post your feedback on the "25th Reunion - Coming Soon!" Discussion Board over on the Great Peace March FACEBOOK page. http://ohiodnr.com/parks/punderson/tabid/780/Default.aspx See the "Friends of Punderson State Park" website for photos of the campground: http://www.friendsofpunderson.com/ Laura |
| September 10, 2009 16:00:46 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Rich Sickler |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | P.S. If you can't make it this year but, would like to help with The cost of this reunion or the next. Donations can be made thur Paypal send to. Maidubelden@aol.com. The last reunion will take place 2112 at the end of the Universe. No wait, the end of the World. End of the Universe. silly me.That's not for another 1,335,554,999 years. |
| September 10, 2009 01:53:03 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Rich Sickler |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Fifteen days until the 23rd annual California reunion of the GPM. Three camp sites at Lake Casitas have been reserved in my name for September 24th, 25th and 26th. They are in Grebe campgroud. G-20, G-21 and G-22. Yea, I know it makes me feel old to. I guess you are the only reason(s) I show up every year. |
| September 10, 2009 01:40:53 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Joe |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Joe Kinczel POB 1754 Nederland CO 80466-1754 |
| September 7, 2009 23:19:09 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Ted T. |
| Email: | tdthomas16{at}aol.com |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | I've got an extra $20 sitting around, send me contact info |
| September 7, 2009 19:55:19 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Joe |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | I just got the bill for this website. it is $42 for six months or $84 for the year. Is anyone willing to contribute money towards this bill? |
| September 7, 2009 15:49:05 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Marc |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | |
| Comments: | I'm very disappointed that President Obama let Van Jones resign. Or perhaps asked him to. |
| September 6, 2009 09:02:03 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | carla c j jones |
| Email: | carlayvette{at}aol.com |
| HomePage: | |
| Comments: | hi family! missing the connection big-time right now.just lost my father, on aug,21st. my parents were married 50-years and i feel blessed to have had the both of them together all my life. the good,the bad & the ugly. made me the person i am today. are we camping this year? i am thankful for the joy in my heart, the love of my family & friends.me & the girls are fine. school is starting next week. rachel, is a senior & sarah, is a freshman this fall.i pray each of you and your families are well, safe, happy, at peace & loving life.god bless you and may He keep you until we meet again. c. j. |
| September 5, 2009 23:22:43 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Rich Sickler |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Hey Barbara. Do you have a email list of marchers and can you send out a notice for the reunion? please and thank you. |
| September 5, 2009 17:41:25 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Marc |
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| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Thanks, Shanawa, yeah, I do believe he's right. Anyway, it's a much saner course than the one Obama's people seem to be charting. By the way, I've noticed that when I load the guestbook page lately, the background disappears and becomes all white. Anybody else experiencing this? |
| September 2, 2009 22:55:38 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | marc |
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| HomePage: | http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/31/AR2009083102912.html |
| Comments: | Sometimes you just have to agree with George Will. |
| September 1, 2009 10:33:51 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Lynn |
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| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | We are ok, Ted, thanks for asking. We smell the smoke some but that's all. I haven't even had too much trouble with my asthma - we are in a pretty urban area--the fires are on the outskirts. Be safe, James!! Hope to see some of you at the reunion! |
| September 1, 2009 01:20:02 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | James |
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| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | I've had a front row seat living in N. Altadena. I have a friend up in an evac area who hasn't left, been keeping in touch with him. Spent the last two days watching "my" mountains burn out the front window and watching the fires dip into my favorite hiking canyons. I'm anxious to get in there and see what's left. |
| August 31, 2009 14:24:13 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Ted T. |
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| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Hey SoCal, how are you all doing with those fires?...Lynn?. |
| August 31, 2009 00:52:16 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Joe |
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| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Shanawa, I do share your distrust and alienation from most American politicians and much of the US government. I can appreciate why you would utterly dismiss the usefulness of our government other than for defense, though I do not go that far. I also share your admiration for individual economic freedom and have spent most of my days for the last twenty years doing business with folks from all over. I have no love for the socialism of the USSR having lived in it for years. And yet, I believe that US society has become dangerously unbalanced in its obsession with capital and capitalism to the detriment of the people, of us. Markets do not care about people and the large corporations are not places where one finds much compassion. There is something desperate and sad going on in the US and it emanates from the excesses of capitalism as well as the failures of government. I do not believe that capitalism or markets can solve every problem in society or provide the community that we need. |
| August 29, 2009 15:59:58 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Joe |
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| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | I believe that governments always and everywhere create winners in the market place. The question facing any government is which winners to create and at what cost to whom. I believe that it is a delusion to think that an unfettered market place has ever existed in any society with a functioning government and an even greater delusion to think that a modern society can function without government. So then for me it becomes a matter of what kind of government I want. I prefer one that places the interests of the majority of the common citizenry ahead of the interests of the clergy or the wealthy minority including the corporate, industrial and military elite. Ted Kennedy, though he came from the wealthiest minority, has been on the side of the common majority and spent his career trying to expand our rights. While this comes at an expense, he never wanted it to come at the expense of that common majority, but rather at the expense of his own class. He was very much like FDR in this way. |
| August 27, 2009 23:44:46 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Joe |
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| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Lori and I are thinking about Ted Kennedy this morning and grieving his death. We are also honoring his contributions to civil rights, peace and the many progressive causes he moved along. I also respect him for his failures and his willingness to confront those failures and take some responsibility for his actions. |
| August 27, 2009 13:52:12 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Ted T. |
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| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | ...it's getting scarce. I'm not sure about you, but I'm willing bet that Big Oil really isn't ready for us to start thinking about scarcity and repurposing. Given the latest EMP bomb worries, I have started to think about a low-tech future, so Peak Oil at least gets the discussion going |
| August 26, 2009 20:15:59 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Ted T. |
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| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Kind of encouraging in a mercenary sort of way? someone else who doesn't believe in Peak Oil?...are you one of those "pry my car from my cold dead fingers" types Marc?. 2 trillion or 10 trillion barrels, Peak was 5 years ago or 10 years away, whatever, and don't get me started on what we may find off whomever's coast. Given the ratio of energy derived from a gallon of oil as opposed to anything else, we all too easily squander it and have no concern about how our society will function sans oil (try that 7 generations thought problem). And it's not just about cars...go around your house and toss out all your plastics...a lot of your cosmetics, your garden chemicals, your clothes. Go to your fridge and toss out anything not grown within a days walk or bike ride away (cheap transport gets you apples in Dec.). And while I have carved a bowl from a piece of wood, I don't relish trying to fabricate even a 6 person setting. and unless our planet actually is a Tootsie Pop with a oily center... |
| August 26, 2009 20:05:42 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Marc |
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| Comments: | Goodbye Senator Kennedy. Thanks for all your good hard work. |
| August 26, 2009 06:04:40 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Marc |
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| HomePage: | http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/25/opinion/25lynch.html?_r=1&pagewanted=print |
| Comments: | Drill baby drill? Here's someone else who doesn't believe in "peak oil." Kind of encouraging in a mercenary sort of way. |
| August 26, 2009 06:02:54 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | James |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Go to facebook and search the great peace march Joe. Lots and lots of great photos posted, including '86 ones of you and Lori. Rich, I'll post the info there tomorrow. |
| August 26, 2009 03:20:10 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | |
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| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | September 24th, 25th and 26th. Lake Casitas. That's near Ojai Ca. They are in Grebe campgroud. G-20, G-21 and G-22 |
| August 26, 2009 03:16:25 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Joe |
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| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Sorry, but we have a Facebook page? What is it? |
| August 26, 2009 02:51:38 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | James |
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| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Rich, if you post all the details here again I'll check the FB page and see if its mentioned there. |
| August 26, 2009 01:38:01 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Rich Sickler |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | On a lighter note, is there any way to get the word out about the reunion at Lake Casitas? I think this is the last of the Ca. reunions for me. I do look forward to seeing some of you in 2011. Zion Park sounds good to me. |
| August 25, 2009 23:04:32 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Joe |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Oh, right, but James, I explained that all to you. What can I say other than, the more things change..... |
| August 25, 2009 21:04:30 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | James |
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| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | But Joe... you DID leave the country under Obama. And hey, "war is a necessity, not a choice". Who knew? All this time wasted on peace work... I wouldn't go back to Bush for anything but I do miss being able to turn to the lefty next to me and say "can you BELIEVE he said that ?!" and not get the "deer-in-headlights-must-not-criticize-democrat" blank stare back. |
| August 25, 2009 20:35:12 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Joe |
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| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | So what do other think of Obama? He seems very Clintonlike to me in terms of his politics. That is not a compliment, but does not make me want to leave the country like Bush did. |
| August 25, 2009 20:18:38 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | James |
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| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Guess not Gene. There's a democrat president, go back to sleep. |
| August 25, 2009 17:07:26 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | gene |
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| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | is anybody going to pittsburgh for peace demonstration during th G 20 summit? |
| August 24, 2009 05:38:42 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Shanawa |
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| Comments: | hey, don't mellow our harsh... |
| August 23, 2009 08:05:12 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | James |
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| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | One thing that complicates my feelings in this is that many of the victims' family members, who have followed this case much closer than I have, believe the convicted man to be innocent or at least not directly involved in the planning and carrying out of the bombing. They believe that his conviction allowed the police to end an expensive and time consuming investigation and that the true villains have not been caught or punished. And for the record I'm with Nancy on this one. In any case, complicated feelings though I strive for the equanimity Joe describes. |
| August 23, 2009 00:20:01 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Ted T. |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | You're right Shanawa, none of us knows what happens at death or beyond, we have ideas and hopes but the reality of the moments are a mystery. I have been near Ground Zero at the NTS and been very peaceful....I've faced armed Wackenhuts and been calm as I've ever been...because I'm ready to die for something I believe in and facing someone (even if not directly) that ultimately would understand my actions (even if I had to educate them). But to face a sudden and violent death with little meaning, from a cowardly and viscous and unaware source, I don't think I would be able to accept that. And yes, I know that hoping to pick ones time and method of dying is approaching hubris. That said, whatever manisfestation Liz presents now, I hope she is okay with this. |
| August 21, 2009 20:24:22 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Joe |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Barbara, I am sorry that I gave you the impression that I was trying to put you down or to inflate. That certainly was not my intention and I apologize for further hurting your feelings. I won't try to reiterate or to further explain my position, but my feelings about the matter really have not changed. |
| August 21, 2009 19:28:01 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Barbara |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | I am not looking to fight. I just think your tone was a bit superior, as if those of us who feel upset are lower than your high road. I was close to Liz and therefore the pain is very personal. |
| August 21, 2009 18:39:45 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Joe |
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| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | That Barbara is the nature of free choice and I too am fine with it. Once again, I am sorry for your pain over this issue and I know your huge heart and love you. It is not about a fight between you and me that is for sure. |
| August 21, 2009 13:49:26 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Barbara |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | If yours is the high road Joe then I'll take the low road, and I am fine with that. |
| August 21, 2009 13:17:47 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Joe |
| Email: | What if we had acted like this after 911? |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | It is easy to say, but I want to try and take a high road in my life. It is hard to do, but I want to try and act from a place of highest good especially towards those who have hurt me. To be honest, I was moved to tears when I heard that the authorities had let the man go home to die. It is easy from far away, but I felt that this decision embodied nobility, bravery and compassion which stands in stark contrast to the savagery, cowardice and selfishness inherent in the crimes that the man committed. It is easy to ask, but I ask is it not best to forgive our enemies and extend love to them in response to their hatred? I assume that the man is really dying and that he is no longer a threat. Perhaps he is even remorseful? I did not know Liz, but I know the heart of the GPM and that heart is about reconciliation and peace. I am sorry for the pain that many of us are feeling over this man's release. It is easy removed in time, but I celebrate this release as an act befitting of the GPM. |
| August 21, 2009 12:34:37 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | nancy |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | i guess i like to imagine that we become nothing but love when we leave our bodies, maybe it really wouldn't be such a stretch to forgive our killer? i am not articulating this the way i mean to. |
| August 21, 2009 02:43:34 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Ted T. |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | I wonder, that would have to be an awful lot of compassion to encompass the person who killed me |
| August 21, 2009 01:48:02 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | nancy |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | i did not know liz well, but from what i have read about her, here, by those who loved her, i wonder if perhaps she would want him to be released. i get the impression she was a woman of tremendous compassion. either way, i am sorry for your suffering, barbara, and everyone else who love and miss her. |
| August 20, 2009 21:31:58 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Ted T. |
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| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Angry and sad...part of life in prisons' punishment is that you will die in prison, not free in your homeland. I too feel he received the mercy he denied others, and I doubt he'll understand or appreciate that. |
| August 20, 2009 21:28:44 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Barbara |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | I don't know about any of the rest of you but I have been so upset all day about the release. I am sad and angry. I miss Liz. I didn't expect to be hit this hard. My stomach keeps turning and I feel stuck and powerless like the day it happened. |
| August 20, 2009 18:42:40 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Steven Klein |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,541003,00.html |
| Comments: | Scotland to release convicted Lockerbie bomber. See above link for details. |
| August 20, 2009 15:13:33 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Jypsy Jim |
| Email: | eco-ark{at}hotmail.com |
| HomePage: | |
| Comments: | I just found Jeffrey Turnbull on facebook. He is still on Maui, where I saw him last. E-mail me if you want to link up. I will send him to this site too, if he likes. |
| August 18, 2009 23:11:54 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | James |
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| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | hey, don't mellow our harsh... |
| August 18, 2009 18:09:54 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Camper Barry |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Live, Laugh, Love |
| August 18, 2009 05:32:51 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | James |
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| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | My last post had nothing to do with Japan Shanawa. Try reading it. |
| August 13, 2009 23:38:35 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | James |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Luckily Shanawa its not in your hallucinated power to invalidate my efforts or effect in this world. |
| August 13, 2009 18:47:54 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | James |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Going to war is different than targeting civilians, by the hundreds of thousands. Targeting civilians is an act of terrorism and a war crime. On the anniversary of my country's atrocities I choose to remember them for what they are, not excuse them or justify them because those dead civilians "were warned", as though they somehow deserved it. I observe Columbus day in the same way, as the beginning of the European genocide against native peoples. The fact that Stalin was "horrendous" or the Japanese "committed it own acts of horror" has no bearing on my duty as a citizen to recognize and try to change what my country did and does. Its our job to "berate the country we are living in", its the only country where I may effect change. |
| August 11, 2009 17:48:14 (GMT Time) |
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| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | The U.S. had cracked Japan's codes long before the "suprise attack" on Pearl Harbor was allowed to happen so that FDR could save face and enter the U.S. into the war, as he had proclaimed for years that they wouldn't. The U.S. government is willing to sacrifice it's own citizens without their knowledge, as happened again on 911. NO airplane hit the Pentagon, nor WTC Building 7, which also imploded onto itself that day. The warmongers running the CIA may kill us all someday, and we have not the wisdom to see it coming... |
| August 11, 2009 04:51:37 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | James |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Shanawa, do you simply not believe that Japan offered surrender terms before Hiroshima? Because your last post seems to ignore that information. |
| August 7, 2009 20:51:22 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | James |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Thanks Professor, for the hard facts and references! (I kind of suck at that) |
| August 7, 2009 17:34:48 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Gene |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | The article documents that “Japan was militarily defeated long before Hiroshima. It had been trying for months, if not for years, to surrender; and the US had consistently ignored these overtures.” Finally, it proclaims that the real target of those atomic bombs was not Japan, but the Soviet Union. “The dropping of the atomic bombs was not so much the last military act of the Second World War as the first act of the Cold War. The weapons were aimed straight to the red heart of the USSR.” General Leslie Groves, Director of the Manhattan Project, admitted so much in sworn testimony and in his diary as well. Please read this indispensable article. |
| August 7, 2009 16:53:22 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Gene |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http://killinghope.org/essays6/abomb.htm |
| Comments: | Important article by William Blum at link above. It points out that the bombings were “one of the two great crimes against humanity in the 20th Century, along with the Holocaust.” (Nagasaki Mayor Hitoshi Motoshima, 1995) The article states that “by 1945, Japan’s entire military and industrial machine was grinding to a halt as the resources needed to wage war were all but eradicated. The navy and air force had been destroyed ship by ship, plane by plane, with no possibility of replacement. When, in the spring of 1945, the island nation’s lifeline to oil was severed, the war was over except for the fighting. By June, Gen. Curtis LeMay, in charge of the air attacks, was complaining that after months of terrible firebombing, there was nothing left of Japanese cities for his bombers but ‘garbage can targets.’ By July, US planes could fly over Japan without resistance and bomb as much and as long as they pleased. Japan could no longer defend itself.” |
| August 7, 2009 16:51:02 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | James |
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| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | The Japanese made it known to Truman that they were willing to surrender on one condition: that Hirohito stay in power, for Japanese "honor". He refused and dropped the bomb on Hiroshima. Two days later he dropped the second bomb on Nagasaki. When the Japanese surrendered after that, Hirohito was allowed to stay in power. Absolutely nothing was accomplished by the bombings except the death of 200,000 innocent people. Oh, and the US got to test their new technology on humans and cities and establish itself as the only super-power in the world. |
| August 7, 2009 16:22:03 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Joe |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | "History is written by the victors." Who wrote that? The fact that the US dropped a second atomic bomb on Japan speaks volumes about the US desire "to save lives." Who wrote that? Regardless, the history that moves me is the history of Nisi as told by Jypsy Jim. Nine bows Jim. |
| August 7, 2009 12:34:06 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Jypsy Jim |
| Email: | eco-ark{at}hotmail.com |
| HomePage: | http://www.lulu.com/preview/e-book/beware-of-rich-friends/2757094 |
| Comments: | Burning my flesh as it tore me from my mothers arms. It was utter chaos, as I lay there burned, blinded and screaming. I could not find my mother, or see anybody. And it hurt so much. Eventually some people came to my aid, but there was not much they could do. I was never reunited with my mother and do not know what happened to her. I was taken to a hospital or triage center I suppose, as I could not see. But there was nothing that they could do for me. I was too badly burned. It seemed like an eternity, or at least 3 days before I succumed to the "Red Death". Slowly bleeding to death through the pores of my skin because my blood could not clot due to the radiation. And that whole time of my suffering, I hated the Americans with a passion and vigor that would seem shocking coming from a 6 year old girl. I was enraged. How could they ever think it was right to do this to me!---I was reborn a white American male. The epitome of the worst I could ever be.--- Submitted in memory of Nisi. |
| August 7, 2009 00:06:12 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Jypsy Jim |
| Email: | eco-ark{at}hotmail.com |
| HomePage: | http://stores.lulu.com/store.php?fAcctID=2563481 |
| Comments: | We sought refuge at a temple up the mountainside, overlooking the city. I recall a large gathering area under the temple. Huge beams supported by thick columns held the pagoda roof over our heads. It was full of nervous people, packed close together. Many children were crying as their parents consoled them. It made me wonder if I should be crying too. My mother was holding me, and bouncing me just to head off an outburst of my own, as I gazed around the room at all the nervous people. The front entry way was was broad and we could see Nagasaki off in the distance down below. I do not know if it was raining, but it was overcast at the foot of the mountain. I could tell my mother was nervous too, which didn't help. Then it happened. I was looking at the people. But when the gasped in unison, I turned to see what they were looking at. I did not see much before the flash blinded me and I looked away. Tucking my face into my mothers shoulder. Then the blast hit me from behind. |
| August 6, 2009 23:43:10 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | |
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| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | AMEN! Rev Frank. Thanks (not really) for the reminder. Actually it is 8/9 that is my unholyday. Perhaps not everyone believes in past lives, but when I was 17 the daughter of a Hiroshima survivor spoke to our church youth group. I was totally detached from my emotions after years of bullying and abuse by the public school system. But when this woman spoke, I burst into tears. So bad I had to go outside and get away from it. I am having trouble seeing right now, tears welling in my eyes as I remember it. At the time I could not understand why it was affecting me. I could not cry about anything then. But there I was, bawling my eyes out. At the same time a story and images were coming to me. I was seeing the experience of a 6 yr. old girl named Nisiki. The Americans had flown over Nagasaki and dumped flyers from their plane saying that they would bomb our city and that we should evacuate. It was just mommy and me. Daddy was off at the war. We were scared. Everybody was scared. |
| August 6, 2009 23:25:07 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Tall Bicycle Frank |
| Email: | hiroshimawarcrime{at}ourdoor.abomination |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Tomorrow is one of our unholydays, when the civilians of a noncombatant city in a defeated nation were massacred in a blinding flash of light by the United States. Recently an American arms official stated that there was no realistic likelihood of a world without nuclear weapons. Left unstated was the obvious fact that there is no realistic likelihood of a world surviving long WITH nuclear weapons either. We must destroy all of them before they destroy all of us. My hope is that the rapid increase in global communication will make our differences seem small enough that nukes will increasingly seem like the aberration that they are. Most people are building lives and raising families. Are we making the world a better place? Or is good something that can be converted or divided but not added? In any case, we have taken the dominance game as far as it goes. I still think we need a GPM every thirty years, until we destroy the weapons or they destroy us. Preaching to the choir again... |
| August 6, 2009 05:02:23 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | |
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| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Can you surf in the mountains? Watch out for the sharks |
| August 5, 2009 00:29:21 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | James |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Uh oh. Keep your eye on him when he comes down for surf camp. |
| August 4, 2009 20:10:26 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Joe |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | That must have been one of my other personalities. |
| August 4, 2009 19:06:47 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | James |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | OK, Joe, I'm worried about you. How long have you been talking to yourself in the third person? |
| August 4, 2009 16:58:23 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Joe |
| Email: | Hola Amigo |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Joe, All I want to know is where is the guest room!? I'm trying to arrange surf camp birthday in Costa Rica but would love to come see you and Lori in the mountains. Drink some of that fab coffee for me...do they have a Starbucks? Ha! Love to y'alls |
| August 4, 2009 16:38:20 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Joe |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | We have been here in Costa Rica six days and it is going well. Everything is a challenge and that is exactly what I wanted. Of course that is the downside as well - everything is a challenge. We are into our house; I have set up an office to do my work, and we are familiar enough with our immediate environs to take care of our basic needs. We have visited the kids' school where they start tomorrow. Right now Natasha is riding a horse for $1/hour offered by a campesino in the neighborhood. Alexander has a workout room with weights off the garage. Lori has run twice. I hope to visit the local Zen Center, Casa Zen de Costa Rica later today. Our landlords are wonderful people who have helped us immensely in our transition. Spanish is progressing muy bueno y rapido and the coffee is outstanding. Whew! |
| August 2, 2009 16:32:10 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Joe |
| Email: | |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Lynn, I hope that your recovery is full and complete. It sounds like you are surrounded by loving kindness in your family. I am filling myself with loving thoughts towards you and your recovery. |
| August 2, 2009 16:19:34 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Jypsy Jim |
| Email: | eco-ark{at}hotmail.com |
| HomePage: | http://www.lulu.com/preview/e-book/beware-of-rich-friends/2757094 |
| Comments: | I want to go Rich, hit me up on your way, or let me know and I will try to find another way. Hope you can make it Shanawa. Take care of yourselves Frank and Lynn. See you there. Can not check my breasts right now, I am too busy looking at them in the mirror. Hey! My eyes are up here! Balls must be flat. They do not bounce like they used to. Got a book preview in the link above. |
| August 2, 2009 01:57:15 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Tall Bicycle Frank |
| Email: | endlessfun{at}lalaland.yeh |
| HomePage: | http:// |
| Comments: | Thank you for your wellwishes, dear friends. Lynn and I are back from the redo on the ectomy. The good prognosis and the quiet confidence of the surgeon have made it all much easier. Kaiser medical coverage has taken the financial worry out completely. It was $5 for the co-pay and $8 for parking. And thank you Rich and Barbara and Dennis for organizing the CA reunion for this year. I got 9/25 off so we will be there mid-Fri. And yes, what strange things our languages are. We drive on a parkway and park on a driveway. And since the opposite of Pro is Con, the opposite of Progress is Congress. Lynn is getting lots of good treatment from her friend/employer, who just called from her vacation in Italia. Crystal got a music program for her computer for her birthday, and she is composing some interesting techo stuff and writing songs to rap over it. And I am six workdays from a five-week vacation; we also get a week plus for a white Christmas in Buffalo. Twenty years at a union job... luv2u |
| July 30, 2009 21:04:39 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Bill O |
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| Comments: | Happy birthday, Betty Thomas! |
| July 27, 2009 23:18:35 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Gene |
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| Comments: | Greetings, peace and health to all! June and I will probably join you all for a day or two. |
| July 25, 2009 16:46:47 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Rich Sickler |
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| Comments: | And guys check your breasts and your balls. That's no joke! |
| July 24, 2009 22:49:02 (GMT Time) |
| Name: | Lynn S |
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| Comments: | Thanks guys! Please remind the women that you love to have their mamograms! It's worth it! |
| July 24, 2009 05:45:47 (GMT Time) |